Skip to comments.Islamic extremism in YOUR AREA! How to track them down.
Posted on 05/28/2005 11:05:26 AM PDT by JesseP
We must find which Islamic organizations operating within our borders are in support of terrorism. Do your part! Help us find out, and then help take them down! These are some suggestions on HOW:
Mid level Intel gathering:
1) pose as whatever you can to get the information.
2) Pose as a person who is interested in becoming a Muslim, or finds Islam to be an attractive world view.
3) Ask them if they support the ideals of Hamas.
It is important that you brief people before sending them out to do Mid level and even Borderline Mid level Intel work. Telling them things like
1) Look out for people who say they "Support the liberation of Palestine"
2) Use caution in speaking to people who try to defend the words of OBL. Make sure that you do not let the Muslim know how you feel about Osama Bin Ladin by using "non-judgmental" language.
3) Look out for people who Support Hamas as a humanitarian program that distributes food, medicine and clothing to people.
4) Look out for people who Support Hezbollah as a Charity group.
- UAC member Burt
Send the names and information on any organizations you find suspicious to the UAC, we will analyze them and if they are found to be in support of Anti-American sentiment, we will work to take them down.
United American Committee
I'd stick out like a sore thumb at any Islamic center.
Pretty scary they are operating here. Right in our back yard.
Actually only 25% of Muslims in America are Arabic
Listening to some people, I was under the impression that New Jersey was a "hotbed" of Islamic Terrorism. Whew! What a relief! LOL!
So don't think you'll stick out like a sore thumb, the rest of Muslims are either converts (30%) or from nations all over the world. Non arab nations
25% of Muslims in America are Arabic
I left NY and moved to Pennsylvania. While there's no indicator of radical islam here based on your map, they sure have us surrounded!!!
I would bet that they are in every state
FReepers: I'm trying to find out all there is to know about Muslim organzations, apologists, and that sort of ilk in the state of Washington.
For instance, in Mount Vernon there is a "meeting place" (if not an underground mosque.) There are muslim women in black dresses that come into the Skagit Valley Food Co-Op on a regular basis. Being liberal the employees and regular customers think this is wonderful because it demonstrates "diversity."
There are several (don't know how many) muslims settled here in Skagit County, ranging from convienience store folks to physicians.
Let's do a good thorough work up on muslims in our state and when we have provable facts start spreading the word. Some good word spreaders would probably be Stephan Sharansky of soundpolitics.com, and of course conservative talk radio.
The awareness raised and lives saved (in all probability) will be our own.
Whilte talking to them...take a moment to share the Bible with them. I know they will appreciate your thoughtfulness.
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I did about a year ago. Since then I met a Black Muslim, prison convert, and learned of several others from hearsay. I've seen the muslim women in our local food co-op, and expect to see more of them pretty soon.
No Cindy and FReepers do NOT take the time to share the bible with them, they will see this as an absolute hostile act and you will certainly NOT gain any information. You are the infadel to them remember. Our goal is intel, not to force them to convert to Christianity
I doubt very many of them have light blonde hair and light blue eyes. I stick out in a crowd of people of European ancestry.
Thanks for the link. None down here in the FL Keys yet but many in the Miami/Ft Lauderdale area.
Pretty eye opening.
If you are a Christian; then you KNOW Christians don't force anyone to convert to Christianity.
Thanks for your feedback.
I am a baptist Cindy :)
Muslims practice taquiya or the deception of the Infadels. This operation is to monitor and to try to gain info, if you want to try to convert them the Christianity you won't gain a single bit of information. We want to find out who is supporting extremists and then shut them down.
one out of 10 do here, 30% of Muslims in America are just Americans who converted. I know several blonde haired blue eyed Muslims. It is a religion not an ethnicity
If you are all interested you should check out the United American Committee http://www.UnitedAmericanCommittee.org
There might be a few, but it would be very difficult for me to be anonymous. It would be much easier for someone of Hispanic origin to gather information without being noticed.
Well you don't have to pose as a Muslim, just someone curious about Islam
Again, and let's make this the last word on the subject; I am not trying to convert anyone, force anyone to convert or anything else.
I do appreciate your efforts.
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Yes, it's eye opening.
As much as I agree with you in principle, I'd be thrown out because I'd be too busy spitting and clawing and yelling obscenities. I still remember the beheadings of last year.
"What you can do"
I speak as someone that is very familiar with sleepers cells.
What you are proposing can be very dangerous.
People that don't know what they are doing can get hurt, sued, or arrested.
Freeper StillProud2beFree has done this. I'm pinging her so she can post the write up here on what she found.
The United States Navy
Last Updated: 2004-03-13
Address: The United States Navy
Great Lakes, IL 60088, USA
Directions: In first floor lounge in Bld. 14H on the Naval Training Center - Great Lakes. Take rt 137 (Buckley road to Sheridan Dr) to Ntc. Update as of 3/12/04 - this building was being torn down and prayer services were not offered there. If someone knows an alternate building location.
General Information: Salatul Jumu'ah is held every Friday from 1 to 2pm.
Activities 1: 1:00-2:00: Fri,Jumu'ah,
General Activities: Qur'anic Arabic classes are also available. Any muslim is welcome to attend. We invite your support.
Boise Idaho. The mosque is radical. See the Angie Jewett "Azad Abdullah" story at the Idaho Statesman.
>>>Actually only 25% of Muslims in America are Arabic
This is off also. Pakistanis call themselves Asian and Egyptians I believe go back and forth between African and Arab, Maylasians call themselves Asian and Morroccans say Europian.
Ping me if she does, por favor, I'd be very interested to read it.
Here, I'll just post it. Investigative reporting by our own StillProud2befree.
Jihad comes to Small Town USA
by Laura Mansfield, Associate Director, Senior Investigative Analyst
It happened again this week. I came out of the office to find a flyer under my windshield wipers inviting me to a special informational presentation on God and family values, and how to bring them back to the forefront in America.
Im a parent so the flyer caught my interest. But as an analyst for the Northeast Intelligence Network, my eyes were riveted to the address on the flyer: the session was being held at a nearby mosque.
Curiosity got the better of me, and I decided it would be a good time for some on site investigations of the mosque. In order to not attract undue attention, I dressed conservatively, wearing a navy jumper with a long sleeve white blouse, and low heels. I debated whether or not to put on a hijab (head scarf) then decided not to; after all, I was going to learn, not to pretend I was a Muslim.
I checked the mosque schedule on the web, and discovered that there was going to be an Arabic language session an hour before. So I showed up an hour early. The imam met me at the door, and told me that the presentation didnt start for an hour, and suggested I come back in an hour. Fortunately I had anticipated this. I explained that since I had quite a bit of reading to do for a class I was taking. Can I just sit here and read?
He hesitated a moment, then agreed. I sat in the back of the room, with my book open, and made a mental note to remember to turn the pages every so often, as I listened to the speakers in Arabic.
The first speaker was the head of the Muslim Students Association at the nearby university. Although I missed the beginning of the discussion, I caught up quickly. He was talking about the problems he had encountered on a recent trip, when TSA flagged him for extra screening. He joked about the fact that they had stopped him for extensive screening. He had anticipated that he would be screened and he had filled his carryon luggage with printouts of the Quran from the internet, and had 15 or 16 CDs labeled in Arabic, and he had a notebook computer with him.
As he expected he was delayed; he thought it was very amusing that while several TSA personnel were scrutinizing is personal belongings that is classmate from Jordan was able to walk through security, along with his American girlfriend, without any problems whatsoever.
One of the men said, in Arabic Blonde Americans are good for something! Another man advised him to be cautious, since there was an American woman in the room. The Imam spoke up and told everyone that I didnt speak Arabic.
At that point another student took the podium. His name was Khaled, and he began to recount his recent trip to New York City. Khaled and three of his companions had gone to New York for several days in January. He told of how uncomfortable his trip up to NYC had been. He felt like he was being watched, and thought he was the victim of racial profiling.
Khaled and his friends were pretty unhappy about it, and while in New York, they came up with a plan to teach a lesson to the passengers and crew. You can imagine the story Khaled told. He described how he and his friends whispered to each other on the flight, made simultaneous visits to the restroom, and generally tried to spook the other passengers. He laughed when he described how several women were in tears, and one man sitting near him was praying.
The others in the room thought the story was quite amusing, judging from the laughter. The Imam stood up and told the group that this was a kind of peaceful civil disobedience that should be encouraged, and commended Khaled and his friends for their efforts.
He pointed out that it was through this kind of civil disobedience that ethnic profiling would fail.
One of the other men, Ahmed from Kuwait, gave a brief account of his friend Eyad, who had finally gone to Iraq. Ahmed was in email contact with Eyad, and hoped by the following week to be able to bring them more information about the state of the mujahideen in Iraq.
As the meeting drew to a close, the Imam gave a brief speech calling for the protection of Allah on the mujahideen fighting for Islam throughout the world, and reminded everyone that it was their duty as Muslims to continue in the path of jihad, whether it was simple efforts like those of Khaled and his friends, or the actual physical fighting of men like Eyad.
As the meeting broke up, several women in hijab came in the room, and two of them sat with me. They were very warm and friendly and welcoming, and appeared to be clearly thrilled that I was there. They asked me questions about who I was, and why I was interested in the session.
By the time the session began, there were half a dozen American women, four of them African American. Where the previous session had definite anti-American tones, this session was all American and Apple Pie. The earlier session had been in Arabic; this one was in English.
The woman leading the session, Nafisa, told of the concerns she had regarding her daughters in the public school system. She complained about the influence of the MTV culture, and seemed concerned about the rampant sexuality that pervaded all facets of American life, from TV to movies and on into the school system.
She explained her personal solution the local Islamic school, beginning with kindergarten. Instead of worrying about her daughters dressing provocatively and behaving inappropriately with boys, she talked about the modest school uniforms that they wore, and the single-gender classes that her daughters attended.
She then began to discuss Islam, focusing on the commonalities it has with Christianity. The sales pitch had clearly begun. While in the previous section, then men had quoted over and over again sura from the Quran calling for violent jihad, the womens session focused on the gentler side of Islam.
The same Imam who demanded that the men continue in the path of jihad did a complete 180 degree turn in this session, stressing instead the suras that promoted the brotherhood between Muslims, Christians, and Jews. After all, we worship the same God, and follow the teachings in the books he gave each of us. We are all the same, we are all People of the Book, he stressed.
The differences between the sessions were striking. Clearly the second session was a recruiting session.
Were the women aware of what was being taught in the first session? Certainly those women who spoke Arabic should have been.
The reason for concern is obvious: two different doctrines are being promoted. One peaceful, friendly, warm, and fuzzy doctrine is being used to draw people in, with a focus on the wellbeing of their children.
But the Arabic speaking sessions clearly have an anti-American tone.
It shows clearly that as much as wed like to pretend it hasnt, Jihad has reached small-town USA. This mosque isnt in Washington, DC, or New York City. This is a small mosque in a small town in the deep south.
And if its in this tiny little quiet southern town, its probably in your hometown too.
"The extremists have taken over so many of our mosques, one mosque at a time. They have driven out those who disagree with their ideology." Those are the words of Dr. Ibrahim Mohamed, a respected faculty member at a university not far from Atlanta, Georgia. Dr. Mohamed is a proud and brave man, but he is also quite concerned that this interview will cause him to be marked as an apostate. At the onset of this interview, he made it clear that he fears retaliation in response to the information he is providing, especially possible during the trip to Cairo he has scheduled for this summer.
Dr. Mohamed is a graduate of Ain Shams University in Cairo, and has been in this country since the mid-1970's. He is proud of his U.S. citizenship. "When I came to this country, it was everyones dream in Egypt to go live in America. Everyone loved Americans. Now when I go back to my home country, I do not advertise that I am an American."
He is quite concerned that this interview will cause him to be marked as an apostate, and he fears retaliation, especially on his planned trip to Cairo this summer.
"In Egypt, everyone knew about the Muslim Brotherhood, but it was illegal. After the peace treaty with Israel, the radicals came crawling out of the darkness. But they werent idiots. They were very cunning," he explained.
Dr. Mohamed continued, "The US knew there was going to be a problem. They had problems in Iran with the Ayatullah, now they were afraid there would be problems in Egypt. Jimmy Carter and his people were going to reach the next generation of young men by giving them scholarships to come and study in America. They were going to teach them how great the US was. They recruited from universities in Egypt, Syria, Saudia, the Emirates all the Arab countries."
Dr. Mohamed thinks part of the problem was the students themselves. "They [the students] didnt have to be the smartest. Some were just average students. They didn't just come from Cairo and Alexandria, they came from Benha and Assuit and Mansoura and Gharbeya. Anyone who wanted to come to the US and go to graduate school could with a little bit of work, and get a fellowship."
He explained that the rural enclaves of Egypt, especially in places like Assuit and Benha, were known reservoirs of Islamic extremism, even back in the 1980s.
"The US paid their tuition to go to universities all over the country, and paid them living expenses around 500 U.S. Dollars per month. You have to understand that was a great deal of money to these men, especially the men from Egypt. Most had been working in an Egyptian university or a public sector job, and they were making less that $50 a month. This is in 1980 money. Much of that $500 a month went to support Bin Laden in Afghanistan, with the blessing of the US," continued Dr. Mohamed.
According to Dr. Mohamed, the US inadvertently bankrolled a generation of sleeper agents, educating them, and helping them to become established, respected members of their communities. Many married American women, believing that marriage to an American allowed them to remain in the US. And for many, the two year home country residence requirement was a simple formality. Some took their new wives back to their homelands, remained for two years, and came back to the US. Others found loopholes in the law, or managed to get exceptions to the requirement.
"Go look at your newspaper. The US reported that they have a man in prison in Iraq, a man from Jordan, a man who is one of Al Zarqawi's assistants. They say he came to the US, took US citizenship, and lived in the US for over 20 years. How do you think he came to the US? Most likely he came to the US as a student. He probably came to the US to study, maybe paid for by the US, maybe paid for by Jordan. Most likely he married an American girl, got a degree in Engineering, maybe a masters or a doctorate. Or maybe he got lucky and won the visa lottery. Those are the two main ways to get into America and usually it is as a student. They say he lived here for 20 years so he had to have a job, or maybe he started a small business."
Dr. Mohamed shook his finger at me, as though lecturing a small child. "There are many like him here. He is not the only one."
"Before the 1980's, before Camp David and the ensuing Arab appeasement, there weren't nearly as many mosques as you see now. We met in a classroom or a meeting room at the university, or at someone's home. Then the mosques started going up. They started small. Many started as a simple rented house. Then in a year or two they had the money to buy the land, and buy a building. Where did the money come from? Not the students. The students sent their zakah to Afghanistan. The money came from the governments. From Saudia [Saudi Arabia], from foundations that were set up by the Saudis."
"Who ran the foundations, who decided where the money went? The religious men, the ones serious about Islam."
But according to Dr. Mohamed, they werent just serious about Islam. Many were Wahabi Muslims, of the same sect as Osama Bin Laden. And it is these mosques that formed the core of the Islamic terror network that currently sleeps underground in America.
"We were very excited to have a mosque to pray in. As Muslims we are required to attend the Jumuah (Friday) prayer services. We believe that the reward for group prayer is 27 times that of saying the prayers individually, so having a mosque where we can assemble to say the prayers is something we were very happy about."
But divisions emerged, mostly regarding politics, according to Dr. Mohamed. "I prefer that politics and religion be kept separate, the way it is done here in America by your government. The separation of church and state is a good thing. Over the years the mosque became political."
Dr. Mohamed explained that at first, the political sermons were against Israel. Most Muslims were sympathetic to the Palestinian issue, and were largely unified against Israeli actions. Still, a few Muslims withdrew from the mosque community, but by and large the group remained together.
"First we got our own building. Then soon we needed a full-time Imam, someone who could lead the prayers and lead the community."
Dr. Mohamed explained that full-time imams have usually received advance education, maybe a doctorate or masters degree, in Islamic studies. And therein was a problem. Many of these imams have been educated in universities and schools surrounding conservative mosques like the Grand Mosque in Mecca. The Imams brought with them the ideology of Wahabi Islam.
And with the first Gulf War, the political divisions within the mosque intensified. As the decade of the nineties progressed, the sermons became more and more radical, says Dr. Mohamed. "Eventually it reached the point, after Bin Laden bombed the embassies in Africa, where I stopped going to the mosque. Anyone with eyes could see what was happening. I didnt want to be connected to that. I love America. But there were so many people in the mosque that hated America. They are still there. Those of us who love this country dont go to the mosque anymore."
Has he tried other mosques? Dr. Ibrahim admitted that he had tried several others, in the Atlanta area, and had not found one where he was confortable.
I asked how he handles the mandatory Friday congregational prayers? "Several of us get together at our homes, or in our offices at the university, or in a classroom and pray," he explained.
"You think there are no terror cells in America? You think the FBI and the Homeland Security has caught them all? I wish they would but they dont. There are cells from Islamic terror groups in every big city in this country."
I asked "What about Atlanta?"
Dr. Mohameds answer was chilling. "I am absolutely certain there are groups here in Atlanta. I do not know who they are or where they are. But I am sure they are here. Do you want to know why? Because Mohamed Atta came to Atlanta. Why did he come here? There are flight schools all over America. Why Atlanta? The only answer is he had friends here, he had some sort of support group here."
Dr. Mohamed claims that he expressed these concerns to the FBI and he was assured that the matter would be investigated. He admitted that because he didnt have any information other than speculation that it was unlikely that they would be able to do anything about his suspicions.
*Note: The name Dr. Ibrahim Mohamed is a pseudonym used to protect the anonmity of the actual source. It is NOT his actual name.
For got the link to her blogs:
I am quite far from being a zionist. I am a Christian yes. No Muslim in America will EVER admit to being a supporter of Al-Qa'eda, however many feel it is acceptable to say they support Hamas, and how can you say that Hezbollah does not threaten America????? They have been targeting us and our embassies for years!
Is StillProud2BeFree Laura? I've read her stuff before she is great.
>>>If you are all interested you should check out the United American Committee
Isn't that what FR is for? We have the FR Network of activists.
Yes and yes, she is great.
United American Committee is a political movement that I founded, we have about 2,000 members so far. We are still in the organizational stages, but it is dedicated to promoting awareness of Islamic extremist threats facing America from within, and finding solutions. http://www.UnitedAmericanCommittee.org
There is no doubt in my mind that there are terror cells all over the country. But, I have to wonder what it is they wait for? Or, are they just waiting until they have a large enough segment of the population. That would be my guess, unless something cataclysmic were to happen that they felt they could take advantage of. Say, as US/China war or the like.
I looked at the site. Would you welcome the FR Network recruiting at your site?
Do you even know what the FreeRepublic Network is? Or did you just think this was a message forum?
I don't even know where to begin regarding that comment, I have been a FReeper since 02 and much of the U.A.C. is made up of fellow FReepers,
Scroll down half way on here to see some snips of posts by RonDog with pics of me http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1399899/posts
Do you belong to the FR Network?
Nope, just been posting on here off and on for 3+ years, RonDog (Ron Smith) and Ted Hays are both big time FReepers and they are with us, Ted is on the board of directors and RonDog always helps with events. Right now the UAC is trying to put together a large ticker tape military parade for mid 06.