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Boy, 11, arrested for having nails at school
The Herald ^ | 05.25.05 | Rebecca Sulock

Posted on 05/28/2005 7:24:30 PM PDT by Coleus

A school resource officer arrested an 11-year-old Rawlinson Road Middle School student Wednesday after the boy went to school with 10 nails in his pocket. The boy produced the three-and-a-half-inch-long nails after Dianne McCray, the school's assistant principal, asked about a jingling sound in his right pocket. McCray asked to see what was in his pocket, and he gave her the nails.

The boy first said the nails were from a project about 10 days before, according to the police report. He then said the nails were for self-defense because a suspicious man had been seen in his neighborhood. He also said he needed the nails for a Boy Scout outing this weekend, the report said.

He was charged with having an unlawful weapon but was not taken to the police station; his father picked him up from school. The Herald is not identifying the boy because of his age.

The boy had the nails from an earlier scouting trip, his father said, and noticed them in his pocket after putting on a pair of pants he had not worn since the trip.

"They were not to be used as a weapon at school," the boy's father said.

McCray then called in school resource officer Ashley Doster, who sought charges against the boy.

State law says anything that can be construed or used as a weapon on school grounds can be classified as unlawful, said Lt. Jerry Waldrop of the Rock Hill Police Department.

"I'm not second-guessing the officer that made the charge," Waldrop said. "The nails could have been used against other students. The juvenile with them did state he had them for protection against a suspicious male in the neighborhood."

But the boy's father said his son did not threaten anyone with the nails, did not do anything violent, and had no intentions to use the nails as a weapon.

"Is a pencil a weapon? Is a pen a weapon? Is a paperclip a weapon?" the father asked. "I think this whole charge is ridiculous."

The decision to have the boy arrested was made by the school's administrators, said Rock Hill school district spokeswoman Elaine Baker, who did not know specifically why the decision was made.

"The information I read was that the student didn't bring the nails to harm anybody," Baker said. "They were left in there (the pocket) from something else."

McCray did not return several phone calls from The Herald.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: boy; boyscout; boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; discipline; donutlist; education; leo; nailed; resourceofficer; schools; students; zerotolerance
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Rawlinson Road Middle School

Resource Officer
Ashley Doster
Email

Mrs. Dianne Hart-McCray
6th Grade Assistant Principal
Email

1 posted on 05/28/2005 7:24:30 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

I don't e mail hyphenated teachers.


2 posted on 05/28/2005 7:26:05 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Coleus

filing civil suits is the only way to curb these nonsense arrests.


3 posted on 05/28/2005 7:27:26 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Coleus

A lot of kids take Tae Kwon Do lessons nowadays. Are they themselves weapons, and should they be banned??


4 posted on 05/28/2005 7:29:05 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Coleus

Insane. Does the Middle School have a wood shop? If they do, shut it down, no telling what type of nails they have in there /sarcasm


5 posted on 05/28/2005 7:29:38 PM PDT by csvset
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To: international american
I don't e mail hyphenated teachers.>>>
 
Look, no hyphen
 
dhmccray@rock-hill.k12.sc.us

6 posted on 05/28/2005 7:30:42 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

When they outlaw vinyl sinkers only outlaws will ...


7 posted on 05/28/2005 7:33:19 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Coleus; aculeus; dighton; hellinahandcart; general_re
"Is a pencil a weapon? Is a pen a weapon? Is a paperclip a weapon?" the father asked.

Draw a picture of a gun and see what is "construed".


8 posted on 05/28/2005 7:35:41 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Coleus

Getting out my trusty crystal ball: I see a lawsuit for wrongful arrest. I see the plaintiff winning.


9 posted on 05/28/2005 7:36:13 PM PDT by sourcery (Resistance is futile: We are the Blog)
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To: Coleus
Hey, isn't this the same Rock-Hill where the cop shot the woman backing up the car (full of dope and money of course, but he shot her just the same AND didn't realize he'd done so).

It's in the water FUR SHUR.

10 posted on 05/28/2005 7:36:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Coleus

Got to break their spirit at the first hint of individuality.

Hey! Teacher! Leave those kids alone!


11 posted on 05/28/2005 7:37:52 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Coleus

How do they teach Geometry without the use of a compass?


12 posted on 05/28/2005 7:38:00 PM PDT by Peelod (Decentia est fragilis. Curatoribus validis indiget.)
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To: Coleus
I smell some very leading questions here:

PRINCIPAL: "And is there anyone against whom you might have needed to use these nails as weapons?"

KID: Well, there was this scary kinda guy hanging around our neighborhood..."

Bottom line: Until his questioners suggested -- and coached him into -- it, the kid had not even thought of the nails as potential weapons.

ENTRAPMENT!!

13 posted on 05/28/2005 7:38:05 PM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: Coleus
Click HERE for discussion at zerointelligence.net of this debacle.
14 posted on 05/28/2005 7:38:49 PM PDT by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: Coleus

I wonder if it's possible to strangle someone with a super-strength condom. That would certainly put the school in a dilemma!


15 posted on 05/28/2005 7:39:07 PM PDT by RPTMS
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To: Coleus
"I'm not second-guessing the officer that made the charge," Waldrop said. "The nails could have been used against other students. The juvenile with them did state he had them for protection against a suspicious male in the neighborhood."

They're basing the decision to make charges on the fact that he implied he could use them as weapons.

The boy first said the nails were from a project about 10 days before, according to the police report. He then said the nails were for self-defense because a suspicious man had been seen in his neighborhood. He also said he needed the nails for a Boy Scout outing this weekend, the report said.

Let's see, he first said one thing (a very reasonable explanation), then the one that is absurd, and then yet another one (also logical). It sounds like he was probably subjected to serious questioning. They don't let the police question fully competent adults without allowing them to get lawyers, and yet they are going to use the testimony of an 11 year old who was clearly pressured to give them an answer they wanted. If Miranda passes constitutional muster, this should be abolutely unacceptable as a basis for any conviction.

16 posted on 05/28/2005 7:39:07 PM PDT by Nathaniel Fischer
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To: Coleus

I'm sure it's here somewhere, but in what state is this school located?


17 posted on 05/28/2005 7:40:02 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: Coleus

I wonder if there are any dastardly fingernail files laying around teachers' desks at Rawlinson Road Middle School.


18 posted on 05/28/2005 7:41:55 PM PDT by elli1
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To: nygoose

South Carolina


19 posted on 05/28/2005 7:42:57 PM PDT by elli1
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To: Coleus
This is the correct title for your post:

Boy, 11, arrested for having nails at school

Why add the word "Scout"?

20 posted on 05/28/2005 7:46:22 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: Coleus
Dianne McCray, [6th grade] assistant principal at Rawlinson Road Middle School, asked the child Wednesday what was jingling in his pocket and the student gave her the 3.5" long nails.
Woman
A school resource officer [Ashley Doster] arrested him. His father picked him up and he was not taken to the police station.
Another woman ...

Why is it that I, a guy, could conceive that two femnisist, most likely non-outdoorsy, non-treefort building women would take this 'bend' with commonly available construction materials like NAILS?

21 posted on 05/28/2005 7:50:10 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Buddy B
Why add the word "Scout"?

Why not? He is obviously a Boy Scout.

22 posted on 05/28/2005 7:53:45 PM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: Coleus
State law says anything that can be construed or used as a weapon on school grounds can be classified as unlawful,

great..what good is a school without pens & pencils ?
23 posted on 05/28/2005 7:55:10 PM PDT by stylin19a ( Social Security...neither social nor secure.)
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To: Peelod

ball-bearings. it's all ball-bearings these days.


24 posted on 05/28/2005 7:56:47 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: Coleus
A school officer arrested an 11-year-old Rawlinson Road Middle School student Wednesday after the boy went to school with 10 nails in his pocket.

I need to get me some nails, and build a shack in the middle of nowhere. This is all too scary.

25 posted on 05/28/2005 7:58:25 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Buddy B

He was a boy scout, the reason why he had the nails, the scouts are under fire by the ACLU and the libs. Freepers are pro scouting.

"He also said he needed the nails for a Boy Scout outing this weekend, the report said. "


26 posted on 05/28/2005 7:59:37 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: csvset

And the saws, man, the SAWS!!


27 posted on 05/28/2005 8:02:28 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Coleus
The big question is, were these black assault nail's and did they have a lug for mounting a silencer??
28 posted on 05/28/2005 8:07:09 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Buddy B
Why add the word "Scout"?

Because he hasn't been an alter boy since last year. "Scout" (now) sounds better than "former alter boy" to a leftist.

One of the reasons why I never read the Herald, my hometown paper.

29 posted on 05/28/2005 8:14:07 PM PDT by Between the Lines (We are enabled to see the Lord at work if our eyes and our hearts are open." - George W. Bush)
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To: Coleus

I see a Scrappleface article coming on:

"The Rock Hill Schoolhouse Nail Massacre"

"Forty students and a school administrator were massacred by a teenage boy weilding a 3.5" nail today...."


30 posted on 05/28/2005 8:15:40 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Coleus

I don't know how many times I have left something in my pocket after working on a project or chore. I hope the family sues the he** out of this school. This crap is getting out of hand. These people are supposed to be educated professionals, but their reaction shows they didn't teach common sense where they got their degrees. This is as bad as suspending 6 - 7 year olds for playing cowboys and Indians at recess using their fingers for guns.


31 posted on 05/28/2005 8:18:32 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Coleus

Why do parents keep thier children in these indoctrination camps????


32 posted on 05/28/2005 8:24:20 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: Brilliant

You should see the damage i can do with a 3.5" floppy disc!
I once used it to bring france to it's knees!


33 posted on 05/28/2005 8:25:00 PM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: Coleus
The article fails to note that Wednesday, the day this occurred, was the last day of school.

It is entirely possible that with last day of school threats, that this boy did have the nails for self defense. Also, knowing these kind of things happen, school officials are very sensitive to these kind of things on the last day.
34 posted on 05/28/2005 8:26:41 PM PDT by Between the Lines (We are enabled to see the Lord at work if our eyes and our hearts are open." - George W. Bush)
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To: Coleus

I guess wood shop is a thing of the past.


35 posted on 05/28/2005 8:27:29 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Coleus
This situation is getting totally weird. In the last decade or two professional educators have completely forgotten how children think. Little boys often collect stuff they find interesting and carry it around with them. Don't they recall the song lyrics from their own pot addled youth, ... brought him string and sealing wax, and other fancy stuff.
36 posted on 05/28/2005 8:55:44 PM PDT by redheadtoo
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To: Coleus

Government schools are evil.


37 posted on 05/28/2005 9:01:58 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: tet68
Hey! Teacher! Leave those kids alone!

ROFLOL !!! - I once worked with a guy that went to Wall HS, somewhere in NJ ...

38 posted on 05/28/2005 9:04:05 PM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: Coleus
He was a boy scout, the reason why he had the nails, the scouts are under fire by the ACLU and the libs. Freepers are pro scouting.

Buddy B, was a Boy Scout member long ago and we were to tell the truth.

Has Scouting changed?

39 posted on 05/28/2005 9:09:21 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: Coleus
I am thinking about firing out an email asking if pencils are considered a dangerous weapon. I suppose if any carpenters happened to walk into the school to work on a construction project, you would have the swat team called in. A screw driver to change out an electrical outlet would cause an incidence response that would have the neighborhood evacuated within a ten block radius.

The school board needs to hear how ridiculous the look.
40 posted on 05/28/2005 9:21:25 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Coleus

Okay, I'll play : )


41 posted on 05/28/2005 9:26:23 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45

ROTF...........


42 posted on 05/28/2005 9:27:12 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Between the Lines

But did he have a hammer too. Of themselves all nails could do unless honed to a fine point, is scratch.


43 posted on 05/28/2005 9:30:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: Buddy B

Has Scouting changed? >>

I guess so. Nobody's perfect.


44 posted on 05/28/2005 9:32:48 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

The youth felt threatened by someone or something and had put the nails into his pocket so he could protect himslf from the threat.

Do these circumstances warrant using inflammatory comments like "unlawful"? 1- Nails can be weapons, 2- weapons are unlawful, 3-people possessing nails deserve to be charged as criminals.

Assume the first 2 statements are true: Is the final one 1=true 2=false 3=not certain?..........Tom greets Beth. Beth greets Mary. Tom did not greet Mary. (ANSWER = 3 not certain)


45 posted on 05/28/2005 9:36:37 PM PDT by jolie560
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To: tet68
"Hey! Teacher! Leave those kids alone!"

One more reason to abolish "public education".

46 posted on 05/28/2005 9:38:03 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: jonrick46
The school board needs to hear how ridiculous they look.

Rock Hill School District 3 | Board of Trustees: Board Members

Rock Hill School District 3 | Online site Map

Rock Hill School District 3
P.O. Drawer 10072
660 North Anderson Road
Rock Hill, SC 29731
Phone: (803) 981-1000
Fax: (803) 981-1094

Email Us:
rh3web@rock-hill.k12.sc.us

47 posted on 05/28/2005 9:38:35 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: Coleus

What a coincidence that my 11 year old daughter was playing with a block of wood and seven nails just before supper. She asked me if I could stack all the nails on the block with only one nail touching the wood. I let her show me how it was done and she constructed a fabulous balancing puzzle on one nail in about 15 seconds. I was very impressed and when I asked her where she got this neat puzzle, (I'm thinking Cracker Barrel), she said "My Teacher made one for every student in the class and gave them to us". Of course, she doesn't go to a public school, so nails are used for instruction in engineering and construction instead of assaulting people... and their individual freedoms.


48 posted on 05/28/2005 9:49:52 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: oceanview

Yes, but lawsuits against schools are why these arrests occur to begin with. Perhaps we should stop suing at the drop of a hat. Then schools wouldn't feel the need to react with overkill about every tiny incident.


49 posted on 05/28/2005 10:11:53 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: SALChamps03

just take the nails away from the kid and contact the parents.


50 posted on 05/28/2005 10:19:37 PM PDT by oceanview
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