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Iranian Alert - May 29, 2005 - 'Al-Zarqawi in Iran?'
Regime Change Iran ^ | 5/29/05 | freedom44

Posted on 05/29/2005 2:33:30 PM PDT by freedom44


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Sunday Times via IranFocus

IRAQ’S most wanted terrorist has fled the country for emergency surgery after an American airstrike left him with shrapnel lodged in his chest, according to a senior insurgent commander in close contact with his group.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who has a $25m bounty on his head after being blamed for suicide bombings, assassinations and the beheadings of western hostages — including Ken Bigley, the Liverpool engineer — is now believed to be in Iran.

He has suffered from bouts of high fever since being wounded by a missile that struck his convoy three weeks ago as he fled an American offensive near the town of al-Qaim in northwestern Iraq, the commander said.

His condition late last week was described as stable, but supporters were said to be preparing to move him to another non-Arab country for an operation to remove the shrapnel.

“Shrapnel went in between the right shoulder and his chest, ripped it open and is still stuck in there,” said the commander. Officials in Washington believe that US forces may have lost their chance of capturing or killing him for now. “If he’s got to Iran, there’s not much we can do,” said one. Uncertainty has surrounded the fate of the Jordanian-born Zarqawi since The Sunday Times reported two weeks ago that a doctor at Ramadi general hospital in western Iraq claimed to have treated him for a wound that was bleeding badly. Supporters were urged to pray for him and some reports suggested that he may have died.

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1 posted on 05/29/2005 2:33:30 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

Hmmmm?? If he's in Iran .. maybe the Mossad can ....????


2 posted on 05/29/2005 2:41:29 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: freedom44
“If he’s got to Iran, there’s not much we can do,” said one.

Heh heh heh.

3 posted on 05/29/2005 2:42:44 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: freedom44

If Zarqawi's in Iran, that's reason #239 for getting jiggy with the mad, murderous mullahs.


4 posted on 05/29/2005 2:44:16 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: freedom44

Why can't the ROP can't produce any qualified doctors over there? Or decent hospitals? Why do they have to move him to a non-Arab country for surgery? Hmmm?

The Saudis sent of lot of their fat, fat kings and sheiks here to the Cleveland Clinic for heart surgery. We should offer Zark that opportunity to get his US military supplied splinter removed. And we won't even charge him for the surgery. A guest of the American people. Then when he's all better, we can throw his slimy 4$$ into solitary at Gitmo until his murder trial.


5 posted on 05/29/2005 2:51:05 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: freedom44
IRAQ’S most wanted terrorist has fled the country for emergency surgery after an American airstrike left him with shrapnel lodged in his chest, according to a senior insurgent commander in close contact with his group.

This is BULLSH*T of the highest order.

Shot in western Iraq, who really believes he is going to be carted all the way across Iraq to get back to Iran while severly injured avoiding all sorts of American and Iraqi patrols and air survielance?

He is either hunkering down in some farm house in Iraq spreading storries about his location, or he is in Syria (the most likely). Remote outside possibility is Turkey, but unlikely.

6 posted on 05/29/2005 2:54:30 PM PDT by konaice
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To: freedom44
He's wounded. He's dead. He's in Syria. He's in Iran.

Okay. I have said for awhile now that he probably has a very safe haven in Iran from time to time, along with any number of other murderous thugs such as Osama and company.

Wouldn't stop me for 10 seconds if he could be positively found there.
7 posted on 05/29/2005 2:55:34 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: freedom44

Thanks for posts. But something doesn't seem to ring true here.
"His condition late last week was described as stable, but supporters were said to be preparing to move him to another non-Arab country for an operation to remove the shrapnel."

Why not treat him in Iran? They have fully equiped surgery units with lots of western educated doctors etc.. Besides,
is probably welcome in Iran due to his terrorist affiliations with groups out of Iran.
I think this is mis-information.


8 posted on 05/29/2005 2:57:36 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: konaice

How do we know he's not hiding in your left pocket? :)


9 posted on 05/29/2005 2:58:11 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: snarks_when_bored
Ah, the news on the hour, ABC radio, said the Iraqi operation is to flush out ENEMY fighters in the streets of Baghdad.

Good choice of words by ABC, they still have a measure of respect for military power.

10 posted on 05/29/2005 3:02:50 PM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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To: RightWhale

It's surprising to hear that ABC used that word, 'enemy'. Perhaps it was an editorial oversight?


11 posted on 05/29/2005 3:44:04 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: freedom44

al Zarqawi's in Iran, and so is Osama.


12 posted on 05/29/2005 3:52:25 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: snarks_when_bored

They were probably referring to the US soldiers.


13 posted on 05/29/2005 3:53:43 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Now that makes more sense...


14 posted on 05/29/2005 3:56:42 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: CyberAnt
The sources here are extremely questionable - It is starting to look like this was all a rouse from the beginning. Most likely Zarqawi was never injured (or only injured very slightly) -
15 posted on 05/29/2005 4:26:51 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Marine_Uncle
I think this is mis-information.

This is appearing more and more likely to be the case - Zarqawi was probably never wounded to begin with (or hurt only slightly....non-serious) - Yet, it turned into this larger rouse for any number of reasons.

16 posted on 05/29/2005 4:29:44 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Brilliant
al Zarqawi's in Iran, and so is Osama.

UBL is not in Iran and very doubtful Zarqawi is either (his organization has many more ties within Syria...if he did seek refuge from Iraq for a time being) - Though I am starting to suspect he wasn't wounded to begin with now -

17 posted on 05/29/2005 4:31:23 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: snarks_when_bored

It was loud and clear. I didn't catch the name of the newsreader, probably some retired Korean War era guy they had to hire for the weekend.


18 posted on 05/29/2005 4:47:35 PM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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19 posted on 05/29/2005 4:59:11 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: freedom44

The rumor mill on Zarqawi is 24/7. One possibility, is that he's already dead, maybe for sometime now, so a continous flow of rumor's about him put out by his closer associates that know the truth keeps him 'alive' to keep up the morale of lower minions. More likely though is he is wounded and hiding out somewhere in Iraq still, but I'd bet most of the info we get is nothing but rumor and any facts that slip by are probably months old. Who the hell knows anymore, all I do know is I will believe my eyes to his status when his stinking rotten corpse makes Fox news.


20 posted on 05/29/2005 5:00:13 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: RightWhale

Hey, RW, I wasn't doubting for a moment that you heard it! I was just musing that Brilliant's interpretation sounded more in tune with the ABC we all know and loathe.


21 posted on 05/29/2005 5:09:01 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Most likely they were reading straight from an Iraqi Army news release. Iraqis wouldn't be using the same PC lingo we have come to expect from our own neutral MSM reporters.
22 posted on 05/29/2005 5:14:30 PM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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To: freedom44
We probably know EXACTLY where he is....... let him sweat, then take him out.
23 posted on 05/29/2005 5:15:03 PM PDT by b4its2late (It's frustrating when you know all the answers, but nobody bothers to ask you the questions.)
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To: RightWhale

There ya go...


24 posted on 05/29/2005 5:15:53 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: freedom44; DoctorZIn; nuconvert; Wiz; Interesting Times; RaceBannon; parisa; persiandissident
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25 posted on 05/29/2005 5:22:19 PM PDT by Khashayar (Screw You and Your Gas!)
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To: konaice

i hope that man is dead. Good try on part of our troops...still need work on that accuracy cause he should of been shredded but it is nice to hear that he is suffering i am very happy about that. i hope he suffers lots and dies slow. and infection would set in quickley . i would like to see the video of him suffering


26 posted on 05/29/2005 6:10:32 PM PDT by Twist_T (i have 2 pigs one named mohhamad other allah they gonna roast slow @ sturgis)
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To: DevSix

Maybe they're just jerking our chain .. hoping we'll believe one of their stories. Why that would matter to them I have no clue.


27 posted on 05/29/2005 6:20:24 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: freedom44

Iran's too far. I think he'd go to Syria.


28 posted on 05/29/2005 7:21:25 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: CyberAnt
Maybe they're just jerking our chain .. hoping we'll believe one of their stories. Why that would matter to them I have no clue.

This is appearing more and more to be the case (faking Zarqawi being injured) - And the purpose for this....to simply create an confusion they can (whatsoever) and hopefully knock of off Z-man trail (even just a little bit).

29 posted on 05/29/2005 8:00:31 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: SeaBiscuit
The rumor mill on Zarqawi is 24/7. One possibility, is that he's already dead, maybe for sometime now, so a continous flow of rumor's about him put out by his closer associates that know the truth keeps him 'alive' to keep up the morale of lower minions. More likely though is he is wounded and hiding out somewhere in Iraq still, but I'd bet most of the info we get is nothing but rumor and any facts that slip by are probably months old.

All of what you posted above could be true (or parts of it) - Though, I am being to suspect Zarqawi was never seriously wounded (if even wounded at all) - This is looking to be more of a rouse now than anything else -

30 posted on 05/29/2005 8:23:07 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

"This is appearing more and more likely to be the case - Zarqawi was probably never wounded to begin with (or hurt only slightly....non-serious) - Yet, it turned into this larger rouse for any number of reasons."

Roger that. Z-man has been running for his life of lately. If he had to leave his computer, personal sack, etc., in that car he escaped from last month, that stopped underneath an overpass, so he could jump out and run for it, while the Iraqi police/army where hot on his trail, he knows how close he came to biting the bullet.
And most probably our military folk that are asked by reporters are going along with it. There will continue to be ops up and down the Euphrates west/east NW of Baghdad up to the Syrian border in all the cities and villages. And each time one or more of our Marine BN's start a new operation, we shall see more of the Iraqi Army getting in on it. At least that's my take on things in mid and northern Al Anbar province. Could be wrong but it just makes sense to me.


31 posted on 05/29/2005 8:28:41 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle
There will continue to be ops up and down the Euphrates west/east NW of Baghdad up to the Syrian border in all the cities and villages. And each time one or more of our Marine BN's start a new operation, we shall see more of the Iraqi Army getting in on it. At least that's my take on things in mid and northern Al Anbar province. Could be wrong but it just makes sense to me.

Agree completely (this is exactly what is happening)

32 posted on 05/29/2005 8:33:39 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

Been busy wading through TexKat and Gocho's postings. Did not notice your reply. Don't know how else to look at the scenario. We can't be to far off the mark if at all.
Time to sign off, eyes are bleary.


33 posted on 05/29/2005 9:51:33 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: freedom44
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34 posted on 05/29/2005 10:12:58 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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36 posted on 05/30/2005 7:14:34 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

coming up for air from the weekend, crawling out from under the rock this Tuesday morning. Am vaguely aware of Al Zarqawi in the news during the past weekend. Any updates as of today?


37 posted on 05/31/2005 7:27:28 AM PDT by peacebaby (This is the way to peace: Overcome evil with good, falsehood with truth, and hatred with love.)
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To: konaice
or he is in Syria (the most likely).

Or he went out through Syria, but then was flown to Iran. Now that the Iranians are claiming he's in a hospital in Jordan, I'd say the chances of him actually being in Iran went up considerably.

38 posted on 06/01/2005 4:09:10 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Marine_Uncle
Why not treat him in Iran?

Iran is a "Non Arab country" they are Persians, not Arabs.

39 posted on 06/01/2005 4:10:38 PM PDT by El Gato
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ME: Why not treat him in Iran?
YOU: Iran is a "Non Arab country" they are Persians, not Arabs.

I understand that. That was not the issue. One of the bordering states, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, could have been used to slip him in and have his wounds treated. The issue was not if a country was Arab or not. And Iran, since it has ties to so many terriorist orgs, and have allowed Zarqawi entrance in the past, could easily been a good choice. Obviously at this point, it is a none issue since they where obviously putting up a smoke screen as to his condition.


40 posted on 06/01/2005 5:42:32 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Brilliant

OBL is in Pakistan and has been for sometime.


41 posted on 06/02/2005 6:15:29 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Conventional wisdom is always wrong.


42 posted on 06/02/2005 6:19:50 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Not conventional wisdom. Pretty good intel.


43 posted on 06/02/2005 6:40:41 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: mad_as_he$$

If the intel is so good, how come we haven't bagged him 4 years later? If I were him, I'd go to the Axis of Evil.


44 posted on 06/02/2005 7:37:53 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
Real danger of putting Pakistan into civil war that will overthrough the supposedly friendly current government. The border region of PK is alot like outland. The PK Army won't go there and the Afghanistan forces use it for trade. It is truly like the old West outlaw town - except for one thing. They are religious nut jobs with a large following in mainstream PK society. Not unlike the Saudi Royals support of radicals in their country.
45 posted on 06/02/2005 8:11:09 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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