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3 Million Homes 'Should Be Demolished' To Cut Global Warming
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 5-30-2005 | Charles Clover

Posted on 05/29/2005 7:24:58 PM PDT by blam

3m homes 'should be demolished' to cut global warming

By Charles Clover
(Filed: 30/05/2005)

Some 3.2 million homes must be demolished over the next 45 years to fulfil the Government's aspirations for tackling global warming, academics have warned.

The report, by researchers at Oxford University's Environmental Change Institute and Heriot Watt University, is bound to re-ignite the controversy caused by the proposed demolition of 400,000 homes in the Midlands and the North.

Households account for around 30 per cent of Britain's total energy use and the researchers conclude there is a "desperate need" for a clear strategy for housing stock to bring about the 60 per cent reduction in the country's fossil fuel emissions that Tony Blair has said he wants to see by 2050.

The academics say that Britain's 25 million homes are among the oldest and least efficient in Europe and recommend that 14 per cent of the current stock - 3.2 million homes - should be pulled down by 2050.

Listed buildings would be spared, but the plan would quadruple the present demolition rate to 80,000 homes a year by 2016.

"Care must be taken not to invest money in upgrading those homes that will ultimately be demolished," say the authors.

Even so, two thirds of the housing stock of 2050 has already been built and this will have to be made more efficient. The immediate priority is for walls and lofts, then solid walls, to be insulated. By 2050 all windows will be double or even triple glazed. The report, the "40 Per Cent House", emphasises the need to construct the 10 million new homes that will be built by 2050 to far greener standards than in current building regulations.

John Prescott's department has said that from April 2006 all publicly-funded new homes - including 120,000 planned for Thames Gateway - will comply with a new code for sustainable buildings, due to be released this year.

Quinlan Terry, the leading classical architect, criticised the researchers' recommendations last week at a conference in London about designing sustainable buildings.

He said the proposed demolition missed a "bigger picture", which included the fossil fuels already expended in putting up existing buildings and how long the new buildings would last.

He said that the embodied energy in each Victorian terrace house scheduled for demolition as part of the Government's urban renewal plans in the North was equivalent to 15,000 litres of petrol, according to the Buildings Research Establishment.

The carbon from the fossil fuels burnt to build our existing housing stock was already in the atmosphere, warming the Earth. "So why repeat the process?" asked Mr Terry.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 3m; blight; cary; climatechange; cut; demolished; ecowackos; environment; envirowhackos; fascism; global; globalwarming; homes; loonylefties; propertyrights; should; warming
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1 posted on 05/29/2005 7:24:58 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

List of Ping lists

2 posted on 05/29/2005 7:26:17 PM PDT by farmfriend (Down with the sickness -Disturbed)
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To: blam

"Care must be taken not to invest money in upgrading those homes that will ultimately be demolished," say the authors.

These people are nuts!


3 posted on 05/29/2005 7:26:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: blam

Didn't the Luftwaffe demolish a bunch of homes over there just 60 years ago?


4 posted on 05/29/2005 7:26:55 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
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To: blam

They could start with #10 Downing Street.


5 posted on 05/29/2005 7:27:05 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: blam

Good grief!


6 posted on 05/29/2005 7:27:27 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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To: blam

well maybe they could fire up some of those old stukas maybe some old nazi pilots would help them out

this is insane


7 posted on 05/29/2005 7:27:45 PM PDT by Flavius ("... we should reconnoitre assiduosly... " Vegetius)
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To: blam

First the homes next the people. It's getting closer and closer.


8 posted on 05/29/2005 7:28:14 PM PDT by marty60
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To: marty60

So where are the people going to go?

We should do this here and start with my neighbor who has this big black cat who comes over to my house and picks on my old vintage cat and at the same time upsets the cardinals who are nesting in my azaleas. I say his house should go.


9 posted on 05/29/2005 7:29:42 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: blam

I think Americans should watch the British government closely - this is where we're headed if we don't fight back the trend toward socialism here. For the two, or one, small government conservatives left in England, all I can say is if you want to come to the last beach, cross through Mexico ... nobody's looking.


10 posted on 05/29/2005 7:29:56 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: blam
researchers at Oxford University's Environmental Change Institute and Heriot Watt University

would it be safe to assume it's not their own homes they want destroyed?

11 posted on 05/29/2005 7:31:46 PM PDT by ASA Vet (12/13/01)
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To: Paul Atreides

The report, by researchers at Oxford University's Environmental Change Institute and Heriot Watt University, is bound to re-ignite the controversy caused by the proposed demolition of 400,000 homes in the Midlands and the North.

Pointy headed Academic Geeks with a Government Grant.
Cut off their funds.


12 posted on 05/29/2005 7:32:12 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches, hard to get rid of.>)
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To: blam
Launching 3.2 million environmentalists into space would do much more to reduce global warming.

And no, I'm not thinking about using smokey ol' rockets to do it. We could build a gigantic, environmentally friendly trebuchet instead!

13 posted on 05/29/2005 7:33:02 PM PDT by Redcloak (Over 16,000 served.)
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To: blam
Let's start here.

With this.

14 posted on 05/29/2005 7:33:33 PM PDT by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: blam

Britian's gov't has gone WAY over the edge.


15 posted on 05/29/2005 7:33:41 PM PDT by Cool Multiservice Soldier (Newer screen name. but same attitude, same service, same political incorrectness since 1999.)
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To: ASA Vet

Cut off heat and paper supplies and the internet to these people and you will do more for society.


16 posted on 05/29/2005 7:34:04 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: golfisnr1
Cut off their funds.

Amongst other things...

17 posted on 05/29/2005 7:34:18 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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To: blam

Ok. I vote that all the homes to be demolished belong to the EnviroNutzies.


18 posted on 05/29/2005 7:35:48 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SittinYonder

We're headed down that same path lickety split if Hillary is elected. Scary, scary stuff....


19 posted on 05/29/2005 7:36:27 PM PDT by demkicker (We were nuked by 7 RINOS)
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To: blam
I'm sure Al Qaeda would love to contribute some urban renewal expertise



20 posted on 05/29/2005 7:37:26 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: blam

Hey, great idea...

Might I suggest the big 'blue' cities, i.e. San Fran, NYC, LA, Seattle, Portland, etc.


21 posted on 05/29/2005 7:38:09 PM PDT by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: blam

Let them start with the homes of government officials and royalty.


22 posted on 05/29/2005 7:38:46 PM PDT by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: blam
The carbon from the fossil fuels burnt to build our existing housing stock was already in the atmosphere, warming the Earth. "So why repeat the process?" asked Mr Terry.

Good point -- it's amazing how often these kinds of studies ignore the energy input needed to achieve their aims: energy to produce hydrogen; energy to plant, fertilize, and harvest the crops to produce ethanol, etc.,etc.

23 posted on 05/29/2005 7:39:17 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: blam

"Households account for around 30 per cent"

ye, it is the homes that are the users, not the people. Oh, wait, next, birth controls, abortions, and Chinese style forced hysterectomies!


24 posted on 05/29/2005 7:40:30 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: ASA Vet
I would like to assume that their homes would be the first ones in the path of the bulldozers. After all, If they believe in their idea, they should start with themselves as a selling their point to other true believers. Drink the Koolaid, it's good for you...
25 posted on 05/29/2005 7:42:25 PM PDT by awaken2spirit (When one fornicates with ignorance, the result of that union is chaos.)
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To: demkicker
We're headed down that same path lickety split if Hillary is elected. Scary, scary stuff....

That's indisputable. My concern is that if she's not elected we're still headed down that path, just maybe not as lickety split. After all, I've seen nothing in the last five years of Republican rule to make me think we're not going to have a socialist government in my lifetime.

If the cold war is over, we lost and Communism won. I just hope it's not over.

26 posted on 05/29/2005 7:42:41 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: cajungirl

It's called Smart growth and it's coming to your neighborhood.


27 posted on 05/29/2005 7:43:45 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: blam

Why do I have the definite feeling that if we start with the demoltion of the homes owned by every controlling little despot doing research at Oxford University's Environmental Change Institute and Heriot Watt University, the problem will have a tendency simply to disappear?


28 posted on 05/29/2005 7:43:52 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: BenLurkin

"These people are nuts!"

My thought exactly. They've lost their bloody minds over there.


29 posted on 05/29/2005 7:45:34 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: blam

And just who gets to pick who loses their house? I'm guessing none of the members of Paliament have their house on the list. Maybe they should consider old dilapidated buildings like the tower of London, Westminster Palace, Paliament - those places are enormously inefficient. Knock 'em down and replace them with low income flats!


30 posted on 05/29/2005 7:45:50 PM PDT by SoCal_Republican
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To: doug from upland

Careful. Barbra might get pissed!


31 posted on 05/29/2005 7:45:52 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: blam

But won't this increase the "homeless" population?


32 posted on 05/29/2005 7:47:11 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Question Liberalism)
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To: Redcloak

And, Hey,

If they don't quite reach low earth orbit---The world is still a better place without them!


33 posted on 05/29/2005 7:49:13 PM PDT by TFMcGuire
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To: Cowboy Bob

I got the impression that the old drafty homes will be torn down and replaced with modern, energy efficient ones. Of course it will take energy to construct those...


34 posted on 05/29/2005 7:51:06 PM PDT by MsGail61
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To: BenLurkin

"Some 3.2 million homes must be demolished over the next 45 years to fulfil the Government's aspirations for tackling global warming, academics have warned"

We will start by demolishing all homes owned by acedemics.


35 posted on 05/29/2005 7:52:14 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: expatpat

And extraction and processing heavy metals to run their techie toys like wind generators and solar cells.

They clearly have selective vision.

But, Hey,

If they saw things clearly they'd be sound minded conservvatives.


36 posted on 05/29/2005 7:53:16 PM PDT by TFMcGuire
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To: doug from upland

Yeah, what is 15 million and a beautiful house anyway?


37 posted on 05/29/2005 7:53:24 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: cajungirl
"...my old vintage cat"

ROTFL! Good term. I have one of those, too. Vintage cats, that is.

38 posted on 05/29/2005 7:54:04 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: Redcloak
"Launching 3.2 million environmentalists into space would do much more to reduce global warming."

Now there's a global improvement project I could get behind.

39 posted on 05/29/2005 7:55:17 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: blam
By 2050 all windows will be double or even triple glazed.

Hmmm... I live in a Victorian Age flat in Edinburgh. It has single-paned windows. Really drafty in the bedroom in the winter. There are historical preservation type laws that prevent double glazed windows from being installed. Have to keep the building looking like it always has and all that sort of thing.

I see some conflict of interests down the road somewhere on this.

40 posted on 05/29/2005 7:56:10 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: shellshocked
"Oh, wait, next, birth controls, abortions, and Chinese style forced hysterectomies!"

And don't forget euthanasia on demand....government demand, that is.

41 posted on 05/29/2005 7:57:31 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: Publius6961
MIDI - YOU DON'T BRING ME FLOWERS ANYMORE

You had taken photos...put them on a website
There was my home for riff raff to see
I'd been warning you all that you can't mess with me
I was really mad

I called up my attorney...so began the journey
I would get 10 million bucks through the court
Anything I want, little people can't thwart
But the judge refused to give my claim his support
Now they won't let me sue you anymore

You're really irritating...like Bush, your face I'm hating
I would show you a thing, maybe two
I would squeeze you until both your nads had turned blue

I called up my attorney...so began the journey
I thought I'd get 10 million bucks through the court
Anything that I want, little people can't thwart
The judge had refused to give my claim his support
Now they won't let me sue you anymore

Anything that I want, you cannot thwart
But the judge had refused to give my claim his support
Now they won't let me sue you anymore

42 posted on 05/29/2005 7:57:38 PM PDT by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: sweetliberty

I read that, "vintage cat", while looking for info on cat problems on the net. He is ancient, looks it, yowls constantly, has almost no teeth, is withering. It is his time but we are having trouble facing up to it. The vet keeps doing things but it is really just old age.


43 posted on 05/29/2005 7:58:16 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: blam

What happened to historic preservation?

I wonder if Windsor Castle is on the list.


44 posted on 05/29/2005 7:59:12 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...you da man!!)
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To: cajungirl
Mine is 17, has almost no teeth and arthritis that gives him trouble in one leg from time to time and he's much more demanding than he used to be...and even more spoiled, but other than that, he still seems to be holding up pretty well.

.


45 posted on 05/29/2005 8:03:29 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: blam

Could we start with those Hollywood mansions where the lieberals live? Maybe Babs for starters?


46 posted on 05/29/2005 8:03:32 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: blam
One of the authors displays his research methods


47 posted on 05/29/2005 8:04:36 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: blam

"The carbon from the fossil fuels burnt to build our existing housing stock was already in the atmosphere, warming the Earth. "So why repeat the process?" asked Mr Terry."

Because wa-a-a-a-ay more carbon is sequestered in the cellulose in the wood used to build than anything embedded in the construction process.

If we ever get Kyoto, this is coming to a neighborhood near you...and you...and you...


48 posted on 05/29/2005 8:05:10 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Fun Fact: Did you know that NEWSWEEK has killed more people than Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile?)
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To: golfisnr1
Cut off their funds.

I don't think you can blame the pointy headed academic geeks this time. They are only studying what it will take to accomplish the goal set by Blair, as I understand it.

49 posted on 05/29/2005 8:05:32 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: blam

Academics should lead by example. I'll be glad to mail them a sledge hammer and a card board box for them to live in. "Knock yourself out".


50 posted on 05/29/2005 8:06:38 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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