Minuteman founder: Deport illegals

Monterey Herald ^ | 5/30/05 | Adam Coleman - AP

[NormsRevenge]

LAS VEGAS - The founder of the Minuteman Project rolled into the Sin City on Sunday.

Jim Gilchrist, however, didn't come to gamble or get a lap dance. He came to deliver his oft-repeated anti-illegal immigration message.

He also spelled out his version of hitting the jackpot: deport the millions of illegal aliens occupying the United States back to Mexico.

Send them back by plane or bus, give them money and do it civilly, he said.

''That's what I have in mind,'' Gilchrist told about 200 people who cheered him at the downtown Las Vegas convention center. He made his remarks on the final day of a summit titled ''Unite to Fight Against Illegal Immigration.''

Gilchrist and other speakers, along with those attending the summit, warned that the United States was under assault. Every time a Mexican flag is planted on American soil, it's a declaration of war, he said.

''If this isn't a declaration of war, I don't know what is,'' he said.

During his 45-minute talk, Gilchrist said he was not a racist and his group was not exclusionary.

Gilchrist said it was the ''Mexican clan, Mexican Nazis'' who were the racists, targeting anyone who was not of their color.

Outside the convention center, about 150 people demonstrated against Gilchrist and the summit.

The mostly Latino protesters waved plenty of Mexican flags and used placards, bullhorns and air horns to get their message out.

''Racists, go home,'' they screamed.

Miguel Barrientos, president of the Las Vegas Mexican-American Political Association, said the people sopping up Gilchrist's rhetoric weren't protecting the country, they were harming it.

''They're creating division among Americans,'' he said. ''We don't need it.''

It appeared the two groups couldn't bridge their differences -- at least not on Sunday. The continuous shouting was too loud and the words too raw.

''Good thing I was in the Marine Corp. to fight for this garbage,'' said Greg Holland, 33, a disabled veteran and local political activist. ''I didn't fight for the Mexican flag, I fought for Old Glory.''

[expatguy]

But if we deport illegals we will have to pay a zillion dollars for a head of lettuce.

[inquest]

The mostly Latino protesters waved plenty of Mexican flags and used placards, bullhorns and air horns to get their message out. ''Racists, go home,'' they screamed.

The irony, the irony...

[Mr. Mojo]

The mostly Latino protesters waved plenty of Mexican flags .....to get their message out.

And the message came through loud and clear: Their loyalty lies 100% with Mexico.

[MizSterious]

Well, yes, but isn't it a bit like throwing a boomerang? Dump 'em on one side of the border, and before you know it, they're back again. No, I don't know what the answer is. Big fences and sharpshooters?

[BenLurkin]

Send them back by plane or bus, give them money and do it civilly, he said.

He is 100% correct, and no -- we won't pay a fortune for lettuce.

[inquest]

No, just big fences. We can easily afford to do it. It's just that the politicians like illegal immigration, so they don't want to do anything about it.

[neutrino]

Send them back by plane or bus, give them money and do it civilly, he said.

Send them back by truck. Don't give them any money. Dump them at the border.

And seal the border so a flea can't get across it...

[MizSterious]

But they climb the fences. There's video of them doing it. There should be something very unpleasant awaiting them on the other side if they do it.

[cowboyway]

Where's GW on this? AWOL.

[beethovenfan]

I just wish somebody in Washington had the "cajones" to
say this. Some day we may have to have another war with
Mexico.

[NRA2BFree]

Well, yes, but isn't it a bit like throwing a boomerang? Dump 'em on one side of the border, and before you know it, they're back again. No, I don't know what the answer is. Big fences and sharpshooters?

Land mine the border. That would stop them!

[DTogo]

The mostly Latino protesters waved plenty of Mexican flags and used placards, bullhorns and air horns to get their message out. ''Racists, go home,'' they screamed.

We are, why don't you?

[Renfield]

THey should be deported across the border via catapult.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

''They're creating division among Americans,'' he said. ''We don't need it.''

More irony. It is the hallmark of leftists. The non-Americasns are complaining about the division among Americans as if they already are.

Don't like the idea of giving them money. They will just give it to corrupt coyotes and come back here.

[soccer_linux_mozilla]

Where's GW on this? AWOL.

worse. he's on THEIR side.

[B Knotts]

The mostly Latino protesters waved plenty of Mexican flags and used placards, bullhorns and air horns to get their message out.

...

''They're creating division among Americans,'' he said. ''We don't need it.''

That, my friends, I believe is called "cognitive dissonance."

[flashbunny]

I heard the number was around three zillion according to the latest study.

Deportation is fine, but everything is meaningless until we build up the border with a secure fence or wall. Then all we're doing is providing a free trip back to their country of origin so they can try crossing again.

[mmercier]

Mass deportations are not the answer, and are unfeasible given the fabricated MSM reality surrounding this issue.

Incentives for illegal immigration need to be killed off one at a time.

The national ID is an unpopular idea, but is a beginning. Deny drivers licenses to illegals (as if it will really matter)...

Holding employers responsible for hiring illegals would be nice, some real enforcement of existing statutes could go a long way.

Holding landlords accountable for renting property to illegals would be nice too.

Local police having the resources to send every illegal they repeatedly arrest to the INS would be helpful. The INS policy of hanging up on locals when they have a "referral" is all wrong.

All nuts that will be cracked, one at a time, year after year... Unless we see the flash bang from a Muslim cell that scampers across the boarder with a nuke thought to be a routine cocaine delivery. Then things will change fast.

We move like lightning after the fact, but never before.

If we do get hit via this route Mexico will likely declare a national Holiday.

[inquest]

Having to climb a fence (especially if it's a double fence with coiled razorwire in between) slows them down a lot further than simply walking across unfenced desert. Hence, far fewer patrollers per mile would be needed to keep the border secure.

It would work. It would work quite well. The politicians like to pretend that the problem's insurmountable, because they don't want it to be surmounted. So they act like it's a huge thing, requiring all of Congress's time, to get three miles of border in the San Diego sector fenced off. They want to give the impression that it would be impossible to solve the problem satisfactorily. They want you to succumb to despair. But it's just an illusion that they're creating.

[Mears]

I agree----if enough illegals are deported that will stop the flow.

If they are employed---severe fines for the employer.

[B Knotts]

I think if you offered legitimate guest worker permits, plus perhaps a small stipend, for the first x people to apply in their country of origin, you'd see something that would look like a land rush across the border in the opposite direction.

[mvpel]

Jim Gilchrist, however, didn't come to gamble or get a lap dance.

I notice that the AP reporter couldn't resist getting in a little cheap shot here.

[inquest]

What's with all these suggestions for intruding on the lives of citizens, when all we have to do is fence off the border? It's a much simpler, much less meddlesome, and probably less costly solution.

[MizSterious]

I like the suggestion in #12--mine the other side. Make it entirely unpalatable to enter this country illegally. I guess that makes me an extremist.

[Old Badger]

The illegals are costing the taxpayers of this country billions of dollars for not only border security, but also for their legal, medical, educational and welfare benefits not to mention their sucking billions of dollars out of the economy by sending them back to Mexico. It should be realized that it actually would be cheaper to round them up and deport them. Paying the higher prices you are worried about would wind up being cheaper in the long run rather than the welfare mentality to continue supporting the lawbreakers.

Again, I'll say that because of this situation, it's possible that a third party may evolve with enough strength by using this illegal immigration issue to be the spoilers for not electing another Republican president. The Republican politicians will have only themselves and Bush to blame for not listening to their base.

[mmercier]

It will not happen, the boarder fence that is.

The MSM will equate it with the Berlin wall. It will never get off the drawing board.

Don't get me wrong, I'M a carpenter and would love to see such a project; it just will not happen.

We cant even drill for oil on a tundra wasteland in Alaska, don't expect a 40 foot concrete wall to be built along the Rio Grand.

[hardworking]

The tangled tale now includes millions of US-born children of illegal aliens, and tens of thousands of houses being purchased, taxes being paid, and menial jobs actually being performed.

The tangled tale might become untangled if all of a sudden the illegals had to leave. They might take steps to become legal and solve the problem. It would make it THEIR problem, which it is, rather than OUR problem, which they have created for us.

[staytrue]

I notice that the AP reporter couldn't resist getting in a little cheap shot here.

I did notice the remark and did not think it was a cheap shot. Actually, I think it was complimentary.

[expatguy]

Relax Old Badger and grab a cup of coffee. ;-)

Im with you. I was being a bit sarcastic there.

[hardworking]

Name one country in the world where a U.S. CITIZEN could enter, remain, and obtain employment as an ILLEGAL.

[Condor51]

***But if we deport illegals we will have to pay a zillion dollars for a head of lettuce.****

I missed your sarcasm tag.
Anyway I'm sure you know that 'lettuce canard' is utter bull-shiite. It's been documented that illegal 'lettuce pickers' only amount to about 2% savings of the total cost. And since lettuce is about $1.99 (I just looked on the net for that) so that would be a whole whopping EXTRA $0.04 we'd pay after Juan and his family are shipped back to Guadalajara (In box cars for all I care).

That's a pretty small price to pay when we'd then SAVE about $40K a year NOT to educate his four kids (at least). Not to mention that other UNPAID cost of about $10K a year in emergency room visits when baby Nina gets the sniffles.

Then there's the cost to incarcerate his career criminal gang-banger cousin Julio, but I digress...

[Lazamataz]

The mostly Latino protesters waved plenty of Mexican flags and used placards, bullhorns and air horns to get their message out. ''Racists, go home,'' they screamed.

Isn't irony ironic?

[thoughtomator]

You're too generous. Our President unequivocally and emphatically supports the invasion of illegals from Mexico.

[thoughtomator]

Truly Orwellian. A racial-grievance group from another country coming into the US, telling Americans that they are racist and should go home?

[inquest]

The MSM will equate it with the Berlin wall. It will never get off the drawing board.

Here's a little unpleasant truth: Nothing that's worthwhile for this country will meet with the approval of the MSM. Nothing. So I suggest everyone stop worrying about what they think, and start pushing for what's right. The sooner everyone wakes up to this basic truth, the sooner we're actually going to start getting anywhere.

Make your choice: progress or paralysis.

[moehoward]

BUMPEROO

[TheSpottedOwl]

Miguel Barrientos, president of the Las Vegas Mexican-American Political Association, said the people sopping up Gilchrist's rhetoric weren't protecting the country, they were harming it.

''They're creating division among Americans,'' he said. ''We don't need it.''

Correction, you and your buddies don't need the rest of the Americans waking up and seeing illegal immigration for what it really is.

[inquest]

I like the suggestion in #12--mine the other side. Make it entirely unpalatable to enter this country illegally. I guess that makes me an extremist.

Which is exactly where the politicians want you. They want despair to push you to extreme positions, so they can use you as a strawman.

[Lazamataz]

They are not thinking. They are FEELING.

While there is a place for feeling over thought -- it is imperitive that I do so in my program of recovery, for example -- to abandon thought outright causes bizarre results like that which I quoted.

[Mulch]

George "Non comprehende problemo" Bush? Ask his puppet master - Vicente Fox.

[Mr. Mojo]

Deportation is fine, but everything is meaningless until we build up the border with a secure fence or wall. Then all we're doing is providing a free trip back to their country of origin so they can try crossing again.

Exactly.

"My cousin needed a ride to his brother's wedding in Tijuana; so he called the Émigrés, man. They'll deport the entire wedding party, man. They get a free bus ride across the border and lunch. When the wedding is over, man, they'll just come back across the border."

- Cheech Marin, Up in Smoke

[tertiary01]

.....and some revamping of our child labor laws, making it economically feasible for employers to hire teenagers to do the jobs they used to do!!

[rpierce]

What got me first was the opening two sentences:

LAS VEGAS - The founder of the Minuteman Project rolled into the Sin City on Sunday. Jim Gilchrist, however, didn't come to gamble or get a lap dance. He came to deliver his oft-repeated anti-illegal immigration message.
Now try it with any leader of an organization the "journalist" isn't inclined to smear:

LAS VEGAS - The founder of [the Rainbow Coalition] rolled into the Sin City on Sunday. [Rev. Jesse Jackson], however, didn't come to gamble or get a lap dance. He came to deliver his oft-repeated [anti-racism] message.

Try it for yourself.

[Mogollon]

Well, yes, but isn't it a bit like throwing a boomerang?

The solution could be done with two steps. #1 Enforce heavy fines for any employer that hires an illegal. #2 Allow all law enforcement officers to check citizenship status and contact border patrol in cases where they have stopped an illegal alien.

[DTogo]

The message is anti-ILLEGAL immigrant. Want to come here legally? Fine, go home and apply like many others have, and be welcome when you get in. If not, be deported for breaking the law.

D'UH!

[NRA2BFree]

I guess that makes me an extremist.

Yep, you're a real meanie. LOL I know, that makes me a racist, inhumane, murdering, white bigot, and I like it that way. :-)

[umgud]

There are lots of solutions to this issue, some good, some bad, but none will work until the people we elect find the will to do something.

[upchuck]

Instead of deportation, which implies WE spend the money to do it, the laws need to be established and enforced to make them want to/have to leave on their dime. Incentives for whistle-blowers, punishment for any and all employers, and refusal of services are some starting points.....

I agree 100%. Well said!

The US needs to make staying here monetarily not worth it. They will go home in droves. Just that simple. We won't need big fences if the incentive to cross is removed.

Of course, we need to beef up border security against terrorists, but that is another topic.