Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Open Letter to Saudis
Saudi-American Forum ^ | 20050530 | Tanya C. Hsu, Arab News

Posted on 05/30/2005 2:54:58 PM PDT by Nicholas Conradin

Having returned from the Kingdom, four weeks in an abaya and hijab, I am angry and frustrated. As an analyst specializing in Saudi Arabia I knew much of what to expect, thus covering and not being able to drive were nonissues. Landing in Jeddah I dropped ten degrees body temperature switching from linen to an abaya. Four weeks later, I flew through to Atlanta without removing my abaya, not only to test American reactions but because it was comfortable and practical. In Riyadh's Bedu Souk I added a burqa and realized, for the first time in my adult life, men spoke directly to me rather than to a physique. That is respect.

Having completed my book on the Kingdom, I had been invited to the Saudi American Interactive Dialogue in Jeddah. Staying to gather material for a second book, I met with people from all walks of life: Rich, poor, mothers, working women; the highly successful, the unemployed, royalty, Bedouin market sellers, and those in between. I met with Saudis by birth, Saudis by choice, and foreigners. I lived with Saudi families, those with domestic help and those without. All were open and eager to share their opinions. I traveled freely across the country, an "Arab" woman alone. Fed monumental amounts of food in Saudi homes nightly, unable to escape such generous hospitality, I never witnessed men separate from women. In Riyadh I used a Saudi friend's office for a fortnight, was treated equally and was privy to top-level business discussions. Thus began my irritation.

I had expected to return to the US, defensive posture prepared. Since Sept. 11, I have tried in vain to explain the Kingdom to a country reluctant to understand or listen, have been the target of attacks, and have had professional difficulty for insisting on clarity on Saudi issues. It is acceptable in the US to be anti-war, anti-Bush, or support the Palestinians; it is not acceptable on either side of the political spectrum to be "pro-Saudi". That is "sleeping with the enemy" or "hero worship". Little of Saudi Arabia is covered in the West other than trade, oil, and proclamations of reform. Sadly, within the Kingdom and despite access to satellite television, newspapers and the Internet, even Jarir Bookstore has yet to catch up: Only travel and photography books, or historical biographies of Gertrude Bell and Harry Philby were available. Not permitting political material available to a hungry public belies logic at this stage.

I experienced few inconveniences. Prayer time forces the habit of pausing. Time passes differently in the United States as we race from work to school to the grocery store to after-school activities to dinner, housecleaning and laundry, finally collapsing in exhaustion having barely spoken to our children eating in separate rooms at different times. Families walk together along the Jeddah corniche, flying kites or riding donkeys, barbecues permeating the air - vastly different to the deafening X-rated rap music that invades main streets in America as teens cruise.

So why am I angry?

During all my conversations one question remained unanswered. When asked, What makes you proud to be Saudi, "being Muslim" or "being Arab" was as common a reply as "being the home of the Two Holy Cities". One can easily define Palestinian anger, Iraqi angst, or Syrian character, yet I received nothing on Saudi national patriotism. Can you not see?

For years you have publicly apologized for comparatively low levels of violence, lack of reform, or the slow pace of change. Repeatedly I heard the despair and cynicism blinding you to what is happening in front of you: Palpable change, construction growth, new institutions, reform efforts, and the mutawa. You have much to be proud of, but your politeness and kindness allows the West to trample you, naming you a threat to "democracy" and the world.

You cannot let this continue. Pre-empt the increase in anti-Saudi hostility and stop re-emphasizing your weaknesses. You are a dignified people, so take pride in your country in action, not just spirit. Explain to the world how you respect women, how safe and free from crime you are, and how family takes priority. Demand how the US, world leader in murder, rape and domestic violence, dare accuse you of human rights abuses. Ask how Americans can defend their preferred method of capital punishment by electrocuting women, minors and the mentally handicapped. How, if democracy includes the export of the largest pornographic industry throughout the world, can they judge the Kingdom for its restrictions? Why can a Saudi leave his wallet, laptop and digital camera on the front seat of a car, as I did, and return to find everything intact? Americans live in gated subdivisions with security alarms; child molesters roam free in every neighborhood. Half empty compounds in the Kingdom are triple barricaded, one Alkhobar compound protected by five security walls and armored trucks. Murderers don't return to the scene of their crime, so why such fear? Nuns, priests, Jewish settlers, rabbis and Catholics cover their heads but Saudi women are "oppressed" for such? Why apologize for your rate of progress when it took the United States two hundred years, until 1920, to grant women the right to vote? American women are paid seventy-five cents to the dollar compared to men; the Prophet's first wife was his employer, a successful and powerful businesswoman.

Another wife, Aisha, fought in battle alongside men, and Islam forbids racism. How then did it take until 1963 after riots and protests before blacks were granted civil rights, the end to segregation, and freedom? Bias remains rampant and races still do not mix freely.

Why can the US government attack any Arab nation when not one Arab state has ever threatened America? Is this "democracy"? More importantly, is this what you want?

Of course, there is much to fix within the Kingdom. All regions rise and fall. There is little difference in the speed of bureaucracy between Saudi Arabia and Sweden or France; ministers settle in to roles of government power and have no desire for change.

You have a ready-made group available for pressing issues: The mutawa could be assigned to fine dangerous drivers (intent to kill is haraam) or punish anyone seen littering: It is a disgrace to the religion, the environment and people's health.

Globalization and technology are here to stay, so as Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab brought reform for the sake of unity in the eighteenth century, again use ijtihad (individual interpretation) and contextualization to unite for the sake of the Kingdom, Islam, and national pride.

There is indeed something enigmatic about the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia - perhaps the people, perhaps the history, perhaps the land. Had I the chance to stay I would have searched until I found an answer. A piece of my heart remained in the Kingdom. I can only hope that I may soon return to find out why.

- Tanya C. Hsu is the author of the forthcoming book, "Target: Saudi Arabia". She may be reached at TanyaHsu@mindspring.com

Reprinted with permission of Arab News..


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: islam; saudiarabia
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-52 next last
Eyes wide shut.
1 posted on 05/30/2005 2:54:58 PM PDT by Nicholas Conradin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

No, head up @ss is more appropriate here.


2 posted on 05/30/2005 3:01:42 PM PDT by pipecorp (There's some lovely filth down 'ere.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

How much did they pay her?


3 posted on 05/30/2005 3:02:49 PM PDT by elcid1970
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin
"...when not one Arab state has ever threatened America?"

BWAAHHHAAAAHAHAAAA!

4 posted on 05/30/2005 3:02:49 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

"Demand how the US, world leader in murder, rape and domestic violence, dare accuse you of human rights abuses. " Where does this woman live?
" Ask how Americans can defend their preferred method of capital punishment by electrocuting women, minors and the mentally handicapped." "Why can a Saudi leave his wallet, laptop and digital camera on the front seat of a car, as I did, and return to find everything intact?"

That's right. We occasionally kill people who kill others, but we don't chop off people's hands if they steal your phone.

What planet is she on?


5 posted on 05/30/2005 3:04:11 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

I notice she doesn't mention anything about the rights or living conditions of foreign workers in SA. Or the rampant rape and abuse of maids.

I'm sure that when we look back at history, our nation's close relationship with Saudi Arabia from the 50's onward will become a point of shame. The sooner we can stop lapping up their oil, the better.


6 posted on 05/30/2005 3:05:47 PM PDT by seacapn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin
not only to test American reactions

My reaction? Bite me. Whenever I see the bedsheets here in Atlanta I give them the evil eye.

7 posted on 05/30/2005 3:07:35 PM PDT by doodad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: USF; expatguy; ariamne; jan in Colorado; Cornpone; Fred Nerks; Former Dodger; TexasCowboy

Triple BARF Alert ping! American woman apologist P.R.O.P.-agandizing for the peaceful kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Let her have it!

A.A.C.

"Avowed Infidel enemy of the ArabianArchPaedophiliac, aka muhammad the inferior."


8 posted on 05/30/2005 3:07:53 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

when not one Arab state has ever threatened America

Hm-m-m-m-m, would financing thugs to fly airplanes into buildings to kill innocent people qualify? If Saudi Arabia is so terrific, go home and stay there.....p-l-e-a-s-e


9 posted on 05/30/2005 3:10:38 PM PDT by hardworking (Seven wishy-washy Republican senators = America's soft underbelly that Osama B.L. mentioned)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

Here's a bit of another piece she wrote...

http://www.irmep.org/essays/ksa.htm

The US has not had wholly “friendly” intentions towards the Kingdom for the past 30 years. Any appearance of such is only the visible veneer of real US military policy. Declassified documents reveal that there has been a constant drumbeat to invade Saudi Arabia that has sounded behind the closed doors of our government. The Pentagon, for three decades, has formulated and updated secret plans to seize Saudi oil wells and rid the Kingdom of the ruling House of Saud. This is not only a neo-conservative cabal. Time and again plans have been made for an invasion of Saudi Arabia for a larger purpose: US control of the global oil supply thereby dominating global economic markets.

The most recent wave of charges that Saudi Arabia supports, condones, and aids terrorism signify a secondary and more public attempt to gain support to finally execute a thirty year old plan to occupy Saudi Arabia. Other regional players’ objectives, (securing oil supplies; the rationale of a "war on terror") may add synergy and an unstoppable impetus for an American invasion.

This essay discloses and evaluates the motives and actions of those behind the new drive to occupy Saudi oil fields.

Classified Plans Brought To Light

In 1973, the Nixon administration described a plan of attack against Saudi Arabia to seize its oil fields in a classified Joint Intelligence Report entitled “UK Eyes Alpha”. British MI5 and MI6 were informed, and under British National Archive rules the document was declassified in December of 2003. The oil embargo had been over for only three weeks but “Eyes Alpha” suggested that the “US could guarantee sufficient oil supplies for themselves and their allies by taking the oil fields in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the Gulf State of Abu Dhabi”. It followed that “pre-emptive” action would be considered, and that two brigades could seize the Saudi oilfields and one brigade each could take Kuwait and Abu Dhabi.

in fact, a search of her byline explains everything:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22by+Tanya+C.+Hsu%22


10 posted on 05/30/2005 3:10:42 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AmericanArchConservative

The sooner we cut ties with all arab nations the better. For how evil of a country America is, that doesn't seem to stop them from coming now does it?

Look at the Dearborn area here in michigan. Looks like little arabia.


11 posted on 05/30/2005 3:11:16 PM PDT by Darkrunner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

Consider for a moment that 50% of "insurgents" captured in Iraq are Saudi citizens. Consider that 75% of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis.

Saudi Arabia is a unique instance where the government, as fragile as it is, is with us and their citizenry are genuinely our enemies.


12 posted on 05/30/2005 3:14:17 PM PDT by paleolith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CHARLITE

3x barf alert ping! Treacherous, treasonous, poisonous bit of P.R.O.P*-aganda from an American woman {she ought to be ashamed of herself for her flimsy scholarship!}

A.A.C.

"Avowed Infidel enemy of the ArabianArchMolester"


13 posted on 05/30/2005 3:14:18 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

Someone needs to straighten out this sick puppy:

TanyaHsu@mindspring.com


14 posted on 05/30/2005 3:16:56 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin
I traveled freely across the country, an "Arab" woman alone.

How did she do this since she wasn't allowed to drive? Does Saudi Arabia have that great of a public transportation system?

15 posted on 05/30/2005 3:19:00 PM PDT by knuthom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

http://www.saudi-american-forum.org/Newsletters/SAF_Essay_22.htm

Tanya C. Hsu is a senior analyst of Middle East political economy at the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy. Ms. Hsu analyzes the role of Western States in mediating between the Arab world, the United States and Europe.

For almost two decades she has created and facilitated strong connections between Middle Eastern leaders, diplomats and business men and women. As a senior research analyst and consultant, she continues an active role to promote progress, both economic and political, between the region and the United States.

Ms. Hsu holds an Economics degree from the University of London. Ms. Hsu's analysis has been published in the US, Europe and the Middle East, including Al Ahram, and the Media Monitors Network. She appears on Palestinian, Jordanian and British television and radio as well as within the United States. Ms Hsu was an organizer of the 2003 Harvard Symposium "Promoting Understanding between the Arab World and the U.S.", and serves on the Board of the Atlanta Chapter of the American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee. Ms Hsu worked for ten years as a financial advisor serving clients in the United Kingdom and United States.

http://www.irmep.org/


16 posted on 05/30/2005 3:23:26 PM PDT by maggief
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin
Had I the chance to stay I would have searched until I found an answer. A piece of my heart remained in the Kingdom. I can only hope that I may soon return to find out why.

What's stopping you, sweetheart? I suspect it's those evil western vices that Saudi Arabia or any other Islamic country can't quite seem to work into the cultural diversity that Islam espouses, you know little things like women free to vote, drive, talk with or marry any man they choose, wear their hair the way they want to, show their face, etc...yeah the little things you twit headed hypocrite.

17 posted on 05/30/2005 3:25:02 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

Take this piece, and consider it along with the photograph of the muslim woman in England holding the sign reading "Islam will dominate the world." Then consider mobs that riot over perceived insults. Remember then how the proud muslim military tradition has been allowed to degenerate into the shameful practices of indiscriminate bombings and barbaric murders. Consider as well the Saudi "virtue" police arresting Pakistani Christians for practicing "poison."

Look at this objectively, and what you see is a sizable minority of one of the world's great religions acting out a huge inferiority complex. Islam is about 700 years younger than Christianity, and there are those believers that insist on being about where Christianity was 700 years ago--emerging from the dark ages.

I am sure Saudi Arabia is in fact a Paradise on earth. There is no racism there, I am sure because it is not racist to treat as inferior someone who is in fact, inferior. There is no religious intolerance because there is only one religion, or version of one religion that is worthy of tolerance. And of course, Paradise wouldn't be Paradise without public beheadings.

I am not down on Islam, Muslims or even Saudi Arabians. But as long as they let an irrational and vocal minority make the case for all of them, any cynicism they provoke is deserved.


18 posted on 05/30/2005 3:27:07 PM PDT by z9z99
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

Ummmm, could someone please remind the author of a minor little event called "Desert Storm" where upon America rescued the Mideast from Saddam's evil intentions?


19 posted on 05/30/2005 3:27:19 PM PDT by Humidston (Pubbies - GROW SOME!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

Where to start . I will not.. Just this ... Go back...


20 posted on 05/30/2005 3:30:57 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

Where was the barf alert?


21 posted on 05/30/2005 3:33:45 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

Hopefully the FBI has her on a watchlist.


22 posted on 05/30/2005 3:34:43 PM PDT by whershey (www.worldwar4.net)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nuconvert

Since she is deaf, dumb and blind to Islam's 1400 year old record of intolerance, mass murder and cultural genocide, I am not surprised at her assessment.

Some of us know better.

Islam must be destroyed.


23 posted on 05/30/2005 3:42:06 PM PDT by Noumenon (Activist judges - out of touch, out of tune, but not out of reach.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Noumenon
Islam must be destroyed.

I second the motion!

24 posted on 05/30/2005 3:46:40 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin
An amazing piece really. An example of how brainwashed a person could be. Not merely brainwashed, but as a victim, defending the rapist. It is sort of like the battered wife syndrome, or akin to the illness that moved Patti Hearst to adopt the causes of her kidnappers.

It would be silly to list the human rights abuses of the the Saudis. It is silly to talk about their vicious cutting off of the limbs of thieves. The sheer amount of brutality inculcated into Saudi life is simply staggering. It is just a lesson to read the effects of the brainwashing by the abused.

25 posted on 05/30/2005 3:47:52 PM PDT by Nachum
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: knuthom
She's a foreign journalist who has drunk the kool-aide.

They provided a driver for her..
26 posted on 05/30/2005 3:48:26 PM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Noumenon

"Islam must be destroyed."

I don't agree. But don't want to argue it now either.


27 posted on 05/30/2005 3:49:46 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: TADSLOS

I suspect it's those evil western vices that Saudi Arabia or any other Islamic country can't quite seem to work into the cultural diversity that Islam espouses, you know little things like women free to vote, drive, talk with or marry any man they choose, wear their hair the way they want to, show their face, etc...

Not to mention hot running water, toilets that flush, water you can drink, washing machines, dishwashers, large refrigerators, ice cubes, groceries filled to the brim with food selections, TV with more than one station to watch and radio with more than one station to listen to, newspapers, books, and magazines on every conceivable subject and voicing every conceivable opinion.....the list goes on and on. So, why doesn't your beloved S.A. have all this? Oh, yes, I forgot. Because they want to keep life 'pure'....


28 posted on 05/30/2005 3:50:14 PM PDT by hardworking (Seven wishy-washy Republican senators = America's soft underbelly that Osama B.L. mentioned)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Darkrunner
Widescale Biodiesel Production from Algae
29 posted on 05/30/2005 3:50:21 PM PDT by B Knotts (Viva il Papa!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Humidston

A quick read of some of her previous articles reveals that she does not necessarily accept that Iraqi troops were in fact massed on the Kuwaiti border, nor that Desert Storm was necessary even "if" they had been there.

She is somehow intent on the notion that America wants to execute a military takeover of "The Kingdom", she insists upon capitalising 'H' when referring to the "holy" cities of Mecca and Medina, and in general she is such an avowed apologist for Saudi Arabia and the middle east in general, and a "bash-America" first archetype that she is intellectually and emotionally beyond salvage.

IMHO after reading snippets of her writings (which include diatribes of thin scholarship against Judeo-Christianity, comparing it to Al Qaeda) she must almost certainly be an anti-semite, of the camp that believes Jews had more to do with 9/11 than Arabs, and that America brought 9/11 upon herslf in part by our actions in having troops on Saudi land.

I would say ignoring her might be the best policy, in hopes that the less of an audience she has, the less inclined to purvey her poison she might be. But she has served in an advisory role for many business concerns, and albeit her "expertise" is self-styled, there is still an audience of well-heeled folk who read and listen to her incintrovertibly biased screeds and screechings.

So it is that she thinks she is important, and that her opinion should shape policy and affect we, the great unwashed.

Assassination would be one possible remedy for the problem she herself is. Any volunteers out there?


30 posted on 05/30/2005 3:50:25 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin
The mutawa could be assigned to fine dangerous drivers (intent to kill is haraam) or punish anyone seen littering

Oh riiiiight. The mutawa can beat people who litter with sticks just like they beat women who accidently display their ankles while walking through the souks.

The author obviously didn't visit the same Saudi Arabia that I lived in for 3 years.

31 posted on 05/30/2005 4:04:33 PM PDT by jess35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

How can a 25 year old male go to flight school, learn how to fly a jet airplane. and immolate himself and 3,000 others in crashing his jet into the world trade center for what? 72 virgins in paradise? Unloved by one woman here, he is corrupted by a fatuous dream.
As a baby he is loved by his mother. As he grows and begins to resemble his father, who has mistreated his mother "as part of his religion", his mother denies him her love.
The 9/11 hijackers were half Saudi. Maybe Tanya C. Hsu can explain.


32 posted on 05/30/2005 4:09:16 PM PDT by dr huer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin
Ask how Americans can defend their preferred method of capital punishment by electrocuting women, minors and the mentally handicapped.

Certainly not as humane as beheading women and men in the public squares. Or beating schoolgirls who are "improperly dressed" as they try to escape their burning school.

33 posted on 05/30/2005 4:13:12 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin
There would be no point in trying to reason with this woman, she is so extremely anti US it would be impossible.
If she hates the country so bad she can always go to another. Of course if she returns to Saudi on a permanent bases she will see another side of the Saudis. I have lived in three Muslim countries and I can say without a doubt she is full of shiite.
34 posted on 05/30/2005 4:15:14 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin
In Riyadh's Bedu Souk I added a burqa and realized, for the first time in my adult life, men spoke directly to me rather than to a physique. That is respect.

She's delusional. But as a peacenik Lefty, that's no suprise.

35 posted on 05/30/2005 4:27:53 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Americanexpat
"There would be no point in trying to reason with this woman, she is so extremely anti US it would be impossible."

I agree. She's drowning in the koolaid. I wish someone would discover a cost effective suitable synthetic replacement for oil.


36 posted on 05/30/2005 4:32:49 PM PDT by Toadman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin
I received nothing on Saudi national patriotism. Can you not see?

Oh say, can you not see?

Americans fought the British Empire for their freedom and created the greatest, freest nation the world has ever known.

The caravan-looting robber gang of Saud received from the British Empire the patrimony of the Hashemite (who were later given 80% of the "Jewish National Homeland" as a consolation prize), as the loot for helping the British drive out the Turks (or the British helping them drive out the Turks).

37 posted on 05/30/2005 4:50:02 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: whershey

she's a "senior analyst"

I thought she was a high school senior with kind of naivete

oi vay

wow I should be able to get a similar job easy peasy without any high faluting degrees


38 posted on 05/30/2005 5:28:50 PM PDT by littlelilac
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: AmericanArchConservative

No human being on the entire planet in the 21st Century (unless they are muslim) would write such utter garbage and believe a word of it. She's on a retainer.


39 posted on 05/30/2005 5:34:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: AmericanArchConservative
Thanks for the ping, AAC.

I've been quiet lately but this is truly propaganda worthy of "Little Joe" Goebbels, himself!

Yes, of course the Saudis are so enlightened...a gleaming jewel of understanding in the MidEast...that's why they destroy the non-Wahhabi Korans of pilgrims to Mecca, and why Christians are the underclass.

Tell ya what, Toots...tell your story walking...walk right back to the wonderful paradise of Saudiland and stay there.

40 posted on 05/30/2005 6:15:16 PM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Noumenon

Thanks for my new tag line


41 posted on 05/30/2005 6:15:45 PM PDT by AntiBurr ("Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam " with apologies to Cato)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: knuthom
Does Saudi Arabia have that great of a public transportation system?

Yeah, "Flying Carpet Transport".

42 posted on 05/30/2005 6:29:54 PM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

If Saudi Arabia is so great, why not live there?


43 posted on 05/30/2005 6:41:52 PM PDT by Lorianne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Former Dodger

Camel Trains?


44 posted on 05/30/2005 6:43:00 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Nicholas Conradin

Like I just said on another thread:
Life's too short for women in burquas and devil worship.


45 posted on 05/30/2005 6:57:03 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (If you must filibuster, it's because you don't have the votes to win honestly)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Fred Nerks

For all those "Dune" fans out there, maybe they travel by Sandworm....


46 posted on 05/30/2005 8:25:53 PM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: tiamat
They provided a driver for her..

If so, then she wasn't "alone" as she claimed, but escorted by a man. This matters because Saudi Arabia reportedly does not let women travel alone. She is saying that she did, even though she wasn't allowed to drive. Supposed to demonstrate that women are not oppressed, I guess. I am skeptical that she was allowed to travel without a male escort.

47 posted on 05/30/2005 8:54:15 PM PDT by knuthom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: DTogo
In Riyadh's Bedu Souk I added a burqa and realized, for the first time in my adult life, men spoke directly to me rather than to a physique. That is respect.

If faced with 'someone' in a burqa I might say "I do not want to listen to a disembodied voice, and I will not speak to a sheet". I say "'someone' in a burqa" because you never know if the person is a he and wearing a bomb-vest or bomb-belt underneath.

48 posted on 05/30/2005 10:10:57 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (</liberal> It's time the left - left!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: knuthom

Couldn't say I wasn't there..


49 posted on 05/31/2005 3:02:24 AM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: AmericanArchConservative; expatguy
(Thanks for all the pings)

Gee, what a clueless woman.

I pray that she my one day engage her energy into exposing some of the womens issues in the KSA. Perhaps even the widespread problems of sex slaves... where they import "maids" from places like Indonesia, Sri Lanka and the Philippines and take away their passports, their rights and any left over dignity they still have in the KSA reducing them to little more than slaves... where their male "employers" are able to molest them, and rape them or beat them with impunity, and where the "mistress" of the house is unable/unwilling to act as she is a mere "woman" - her only course of action to seeing her husband screw the domestic slave is to take out her frustrations on the innocent slave girl and give her some more beatings to go with her husbands rape.

Saudi, a proud nation where you can emulate the example of Muhammed, and if your maid/slave tries to run away because of your treatment, you can simply accuse her of "theft" and she conveniently ends of at "chop chop square" after Friday prayers...

That apologist is dumb beyond belief.

50 posted on 05/31/2005 3:15:30 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-52 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson