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Andromeda galaxy larger than thought-astronomers
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 5/30/05 | Reuters

Posted on 05/30/2005 6:23:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Talking_Mouse; Arthalion

There is no way imaginable that Homo Sapien will be around in 3 billion years.

First of all, we will have to leave the planet because our Sun will begin to change fundamentally expanding about 10% every few hundred million years to eventually become a red giant which will be large enough to reach Earth's orbit.

Before that, however, if we do not destroy ourselves we will either combine ourselves with machines, and no longer be human, alter our genes, or adapt naturally in such a way to deal with the artificial environment we have created over the last 200 years. Eventually we will reach a point where we are no longer the same species.

Most likely is that we eveolve into several different species depending on where in the galaxy we end up.

However my guess is that we cease to be completely and perhaps we give the insects a chance. Ants might eventually establish some form of collective intelligence.

But, if an unbroken line traceable to mammals / simians continues to develop into an increasingly intelligent creature capable of manipulating and understanding his environment, that creature would appear as a god to us. That would be the case in 1 million years. If humanity survives and continues in exponential increase in wealth and knowledge generation, we will be able to stop the galaxies from coliding probably in less than 100,000 years. Its either us or the Tralfalmadorians.

PS please don't tell the people in Kansas I wrote this.


61 posted on 05/31/2005 2:38:20 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (“There is a law – a law of nature. Man is not the ruler.")
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To: Arthalion
the collision is really just a combination of the gravity wells

(In my best George Costanza voice):
Of course, the, uh, gravity wells.

The sun and Earth are ejected from the galaxy

Interestingly, I wondered aloud about that exact scenario here a few months ago (and got an answer largely consistent with yours).

Thanks for the thoughtful and descriptive reply.

62 posted on 05/31/2005 6:14:54 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: RightWhale; Brett66; xrp; gdc314; anymouse; RadioAstronomer; NonZeroSum; jimkress; discostu; ...

63 posted on 05/31/2005 6:51:07 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Andromeda galaxy larger than thought-astronomers

Exactly what is a "thought-Astronomer"?

64 posted on 05/31/2005 6:52:33 AM PDT by theDentist (The Dems are putting all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; All

I saw a program on the science channel had a program mentioning that the human race will be changing. Either through genetics or adaption to environment. The human race will be around in 3 billion years but not as the current Homo Sapiens..


65 posted on 05/31/2005 7:04:59 AM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: KevinDavis

Who you callin a Homo . . . Sapien?


Seriously though I disagree and I agree. I think humanity will manage to somehow spread life to a different planet. It clearly won't be human, but since we all emerged from a primordial goo at some point, it will be related to us.

Of course 3 billion years might as well be eternity.

As I said before, an unimpeded contiuation of humanity's exponential acqusition of wealth and knowledge will mean we overwhelm the entire universe in less than 100,000 years.

Something will have to give.


66 posted on 05/31/2005 7:09:03 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (“There is a law – a law of nature. Man is not the ruler.")
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To: billorites
I just entered Andromeda Galaxy on Mapquest, and it responded:

Up, 200,000,000 light years. Estimated drive time: 18,461,538,461,538,461,538 years at 65 miles per hour. Watch for construction near Mephis.

67 posted on 05/31/2005 7:10:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: alienken
Very interesting. It makes you wonder what other things our astronomers are wrong about.They say this planet has never been visited by space aliens.HMMmn. Makes you wonder doesn't it.

Not especially.

68 posted on 05/31/2005 7:12:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Interesting list, I always wondered what kinds of distances existed to galaxies.


69 posted on 05/31/2005 7:17:36 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Arthalion

Unless, of course, there's a black dwarf in our path.


70 posted on 05/31/2005 7:18:06 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; KevinDavis

In order for human intelligence to improve, at least in terms of physical brain size, a physical barrier would have to be overcome. The current configuration of a human female's pelvis only allows babies with a certain head size (and therefore, a certain brain size) to be born. If this doesn't change, either by natural means, or by artifical means (growing babies in tanks, for example), then our brain capacity is going to remain the same.


71 posted on 05/31/2005 7:23:04 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: NormsRevenge

Has anybody actually seen this deep sky object or knows where to look?


72 posted on 05/31/2005 7:24:19 AM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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To: Arthalion
Because it would take centuries to fall into either one, and we'd see it coming. We'd know we were doomed and would have no escape.

Ah, the 'Terri Schiavo scenario'...

73 posted on 05/31/2005 7:29:29 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: ForGod'sSake; Arthalion
The explaination was correct, and nicely stated. But I can't resist repeating my favorite discreption of the Big Bang;

"First the was nothing and then it exploded".

74 posted on 05/31/2005 7:34:05 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: King Prout
y'd think, based on the BBT, that the universe would be a microns-thick skim of uniformly distributed matter moving outward in perfect radial symmetry from a very hugoungous core of hard vacuum... which does not fit the observable scene even slightly.

You'd think that, if you ignored quantum fluctuations and gravity.

Moreover, you're thinking of the BB as an expansion into space rather than an expansion of space itself. Think again.
75 posted on 05/31/2005 7:34:30 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: KarlInOhio; All

How about the Pegasus Galaxy???


76 posted on 05/31/2005 7:35:11 AM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: Arthalion
Simple: Gravity.

Right.

The distribution of energy (and therefore matter) wasn't even[uniform?] during the big bang, resulting in a universe filled with "filaments" of matter.

Is this also a theory based on another, the big bang theory? IMHO, it doesn't seem to fit a simple intuitive model. That is, presumably EVERYTHING in the universe is steadily moving away from everything else(BTW, is this also theory?), ergo, the gravity wells(another theory?) you mention should be losing strength instead of gaining strength.

It just seems logical to me that if in fact the universe is continually expanding, as it might very well be, the chances of collisions become less, not greater. But, I'm not in the field and never have been; it's just a matter of curiosity that I haven't ran across an acceptable explanation to.

FGS

77 posted on 05/31/2005 8:12:13 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Lazamataz
You're a hoot Laz.
78 posted on 05/31/2005 8:14:13 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: jpsb
The explaination was correct...

You'll forgive me if I don't accept at face value what the scientists are proffering given what I've seen from some of that community over my lifetime. Again, is this a fact or theory?

But I can't resist repeating my favorite discreption of the Big Bang;

"First the was nothing and then it exploded".

Now I like that.

FGS

79 posted on 05/31/2005 8:23:58 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: BikerNYC
You'd think that, if you ignored quantum fluctuations and gravity.

Can you distill this down to something a layman might understand?

FGS

80 posted on 05/31/2005 8:25:12 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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