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We don't need this. These actions do not further the goals and ideals of Scouting, and I am disgusted. As a volunteer leader, I expect the paid staff to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent, too.
1 posted on 05/31/2005 12:53:30 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Holy Enron Scouts, batman!


2 posted on 05/31/2005 12:54:31 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: SmithL
They couldn't come up with a better phrase than 'black members'?
3 posted on 05/31/2005 12:56:10 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: SmithL

Recruiting poor kids for Scout troops is big business. It helps donations. In reality, they just aren't interested. It's hard enough to get middle-class kids interested in something besides traveling soccer.


4 posted on 05/31/2005 12:57:06 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: SmithL

It's all because of the PC nonsense that they were put under pressure to do this (not to excuse the behavior of course, but it shows how deep the rot of PC can go). Maybe inner city kids or black kids (many of whom are inner city) don't want to become scouts. Maybe it's corny to them, or unappealing, or they don't like the woods, or whatever. But I'm sick of seeing the Scouts getting slammed because they're not PC enough. Leave the damn Scouts alone!!!! There's too few activities for our kids to pursue that are relatively wholesom e and innocent nowadays and the MSM seems determined to destroy those few.


5 posted on 05/31/2005 12:59:55 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: SmithL

If boys are not attracted to the Scouts it is because the troop does not know anything about having fun. It is difficult to recruit now that recruiting cannot be done in PC schools, and minorities are seemingly not as interested but if they do come to a few meetings, the activities need to be there to convince them to stay.

As far as lying about membership. There is no good reason to do this, I would fire the staff sooner rather than later.


8 posted on 05/31/2005 1:11:18 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: SmithL

Not the first time this has happened. It won't be the last.

A little tutorial for those of you who are not familiar with how the BSA works at the professional and Council level:

A local Council is a not-for-profit corporation. It has a number of members, an Executive Board (the Board of Directors), and an Executive Commmittee (a subset of the Council that handles issues needing Board-level oversight between E-Board meetings). It's charge is to oversee and provide the resources for promoting Scouting in a certain group of communities. Chicago has it's own council. Two councils cover all of Maine. Councils are usually broken up into smaller geographic units called Districts.

The Council Executive Board hires a Scout Executive. He (or she) is paid to execute the policies of both the National Council and the local Council. The SE is the person that is responsible for the day-to-day operations of the Council. To assist in this endeavor, the SE hires a District Executive for each District. The DE works directly with the people in their District. They talk to community organizations that don't yet have Scout units and encourage them to start them. They help raise money for the Council. They provide resources for volunteers (Scoutmasters, Cubmasters, etc.) in their District.

The compensation for these folks, especially the DE's, is not high. It's about the worst paid job you can get that requires a college degree, and the hours are bad since you meet with volunteers a lot and they can only meet with you when they're not working. That compensation is based in part on the membership of the units in their district. If the number of Scouts registered in the district and the number of units in a district goes up from year A to year B, the DE is going to get a raise. If not ....

So, there's pressure to keep the membership and unit numbers up. And it's hardly surprising that human weakness will cause some DE's and SE's to fail in their trust. As long as their compensation is tied to numbers, you'll see this from time to time.

One thing to note: the Council also has high-level volunteers. The Council Executive should be consulting on a monthly basis with the Council President and the Council Commissioner. The District Executive consults on a regular basis with the District Commissioner and the District Chairman. If the DE is cooking the books, the District Commissioner should have had an inkling (and I'm a DC, so I have a right to say this) and should have blown the whistle. Of course, it could be that the DC has been unable to recruit any Unit Commissioners. These are people who work directly with the leaders of the various units (each UC has up to 3 units assigned to them) to help them out with problems and in general act as an advisor. If the DC had no UC's, then the DC has no eyes to tell him or her what's going on.

As a DC, I know 1) UC's are hard to recruit. As a FReeper, I know there's a lot of FReepers out there who would make good Unit Commissioners, and who could help make sure that this doesn't happen in THEIR Council ....


9 posted on 05/31/2005 1:13:07 PM PDT by RonF
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To: SmithL

Notice the EXAGGERATED headlines. It makes it appears that this is rampant throughout the Boy Scouts Of America, when only 2 cases have shown this discrepancy. I wonder whether the reporter of this slanted news is a liberal. I wonder not. The truth to demon-rats is as foreign to them as icebergs on the equator.


10 posted on 05/31/2005 1:17:10 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: SmithL

The problem is not that black kids have no interest in Scouting. My son was enrolled in an inner-city Cub Scout den and Boy Scout troop for years, and plenty of boys participated. But there is a very serious leadership problem. Women can lead Cub Scout dens, but the Boy Scouts need male leaders, and there is a very serious shortage of black men who are up to the job. As I recall, not one of the other boys in my son's troop came from a two-parent family.


15 posted on 05/31/2005 2:59:00 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: SmithL
It's called Quality Achievements.

DE's are under tremendous pressure to recruit and attain certain goals.

Back in the 70's there was a big scandal in Chicago where many names were taken off of gravestones.
20 posted on 06/01/2005 7:27:05 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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