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This is why the user community, open source (even though I hate the term), and FREE software are keys.

The scumware guys can threaten the white hats who are trying to prevent the spread of this evil but they have little chance of suppressing them for long.

Commercial anti-spyware vendors, however, are a nice fat target for lawsuits. If a scumware maker wins any significant amount of money in a court case where he accuses a CA, Microsoft, or McAfee of wrongly blacklisting his 'utility,' there will be yet another rush of cases. Why make $0.00004 per click-through when you can sue for $30 million and pocket $2-3 of it after lawyer fees?

In other words, these guys start with no morals and go downhill from there.

Google search for Weatherbug and Jay Hoffman - this idiot surfs boards and news sites constantly to rebut claims that Weatherbug is not spyware. Pick your term Jay, if it makes you happy. Weatherbug is a horrible piece of software. If you must know the temperature, stick your head outside. If you want the forecase, turn on the Weather Channel on TV or the web.

Scumware makers must die!

WEATHERBUG IS NOT SPYWARE NOR ADWARE.... Facts are simple, facts are true, facts don't do what I want them to.(From a Talking Heads song) With apologies to those of you who really have it out for WeatherBug, like "rdb3", the good news is it's a free country and yes, there are other weather apps out there you can use for weather data-but whether you love our product or hate our product, the fact is simply that WeatherBug is not and has never been spyware. For the record, spyware tracks web surfing activity and sometimes reads what is on the user’s hard drive. WeatherBug is not capable of tracking your overall web use or deciphering anything on your hard drive. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MAJOR SPYWARE DETECTOR AMONG THE TOP 30 THAT CALLS US SPYWARE- BECAUSE I TEST THEM EVERY SINGLE THURSDAY- AND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SPYWARE. Spbyot, Adaware, Norton (which in the interest of full disclosure does call us adware- more on that in a second), McAfee, Pest Patrol, Aluria, Microsoft Antispy (beta), Spykiller, Spybloc, SpyHunter, Spysweeper, SpyDoctor, Zerospy, Counterspy, AVG Antivirus, A-Squared, Pc-Cillin- and I could go on....not a single one calls us spyware. so let's consider that point closed unless somehow every one of those programs, and 25 more I could list, all are 100% wrong. Adware- now that's trickier b/c some of you define adware as "anything with ads"- well by that definition, AIM, Yahoo messenger, realplayer, weather channel's application, accuweather, hotmail, etc. could all be considered adware, as would our free product (we have an ad-free version for $19.95 a year). However, with the exception of Norton, most companies don't define adware that broadly (and when we asked Norton why they didn't list AIM as adware they stumbled, hemmed and hawed and admitted they didn't have a good answer. Expect to see us removed from Norton's list soon- hopefully by end of June or early July 2005). if all these companies flagged AIM, Yahoo messenger, etc. as "adware threats"- how long before everyone would stop trusting ANYTHING they listed- it would be a 'boy who cried wolf syndrome" and REAL adware would get ignored. People would stop believing anything that pulled up if AIM was always getting flagged as "adware". MOST IT profs. (including hundreds that I met at NetWorld/Interop- the largest US IT show), feel that adware is best defined as "programs that serve ads (often pop ups) based on user surfing habits." 1) WeatherBug serves no pops in the version we released last year- June 2004 2) WeatherBug has never served ads based on user surfing habits- we have a proprietary system that allows users to SELECT a sponsor from about 10 different categories. 3) the 2nd definition of adware - based on USER SURFING HABITS is exactly what WHENU and GATOR do- and that folks, is what adware is all about. I surf to Expedia to book a flight and WHAM!! I get hit with an annoying pop ad for priceline.com asking me to put a bid on a flight at their site. I DIDN'T WANT PRICELINE. If I did, I'd have gone there. THAT IS ADWARE. here are the facts- WeatherBug owns and operates the world’s largest network of weather stations and is one of the top 10 Internet properties in daily reach according to Media Metrix. Our data is: - viewed by over 80 million households a month, both on-line and off-line - accessible to The Department of Homeland Security for live, real-time plume modeling and weather data, in the event of an attack on our country, and our weather stations are at 15 Coast Guard bases, the US Naval Academy, Quantico Marine Base and USAF Academy - used by dozens of city, county and state emergency managers in assessing the impact of current weather conditions on hazardous situations and natural disasters, - in 8,000 schools and universities across the US, helping teach math and science along with our WeatherBug curriculum which won a Smithsonian Laureate and was selected by Media & Methods Magazine as 2002’s “Education Technology of the Year,” and chosen by District Administration Magazine as a Top 100 product (2003); - used by meteorologists at over 100 TV stations to bring “neighborhood” weather forecasts and conditions to communities every day. You may not like us and if you don't, by all means, d/l another weather app. Yes, you'll be getting weather from an airport that could be far away and only updates once an hour, instead of live, local weather. But maybe for you that's good enough. For 8000 schools, the US military and dozens of major corporations, they need live, LOCAL weather which is why they come to us. But if you use someone else's program or not, all I ask is that you get the facts right about us. As for rb3's comment that I surf the web all day- 1) it's folks like him who don't actually check the facts and spout off ridiculous rumors in between game of Rainbow 6 with their headsets on too tightly that make it necessary to spend ANY time rebutting this stuff and 2) it's part of my job to correct misimpressions about our company, because that is what good companies do- they rebut rumors, lies, and innuendos about them.....a radical concept I admit, but we kinda like it. Unlike rb3, I'll post my contact info if anyone actually wants to write to me- jay@weatherbug.com or Jay Hoffman, customer support manager 12410 Milestone Center Drive #300, Germantown, MD 20876