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Bay firms depend on foreign workers (Crab Pickers)
The Washington Times ^ | 6-1-05 | Jeffrey Sparshott

Posted on 06/01/2005 11:26:35 AM PDT by JZelle

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To: judgeandjury
"we could make dealing illegal drugs legal, and no one will have any problem"

That would be true for people who say that the only reason crack is bad is because it's illegal, ie. "I'm love legal crack, it's only illegal that I'm against".

But the fact is that crack is intrinsically bad. It was bad before it was made illegal and it's bad after it was made illegal, and if some court strikes down the crack law it will still be bad.

But the anti-illegal immigrant crowd claims to adore legal immigrants but abhor illegal ones. The problem is that in the majority of cases they are the same person. A majority of illegals entered legally. One day a person is legal, the next day he is illegal, but intrinsically he is the same person.

If you can't tell whether you adore or abhor a person without researching his immigration file, you have different values than me.

51 posted on 06/03/2005 4:19:24 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: mthom
"Then Im sure you have no problem with Marc Rich because he was pardoned. "

Isn't that exactly what the anti-illegals believe? "I don't oppose legal Maec Riches , only illegal Marc Riches."

I don't recall exactly what Marc Rich did or what he was convicted of, but if he does bad things he's a bad person regardless of whether his lawyers beat the cases or he was pardoned or is in prison or whatever. If he was a bad person before the pardon he was a bad person after the pardon, IMHO.

52 posted on 06/03/2005 4:45:04 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod
But the anti-illegal immigrant crowd claims to adore legal immigrants but abhor illegal ones. The problem is that in the majority of cases they are the same person. A majority of illegals entered legally. One day a person is legal, the next day he is illegal, but intrinsically he is the same person.

If you can't tell whether you adore or abhor a person without researching his immigration file, you have different values than me.

There are many other examples in which your same reasoning could be applied. A contractor has a valid license one day and the next day it expires. If this contractor does work on a person's house after his license expires, he is violating the law, even though intrinsically he is the same person he was before his contractor's license expired.

The same can be said of doctors, nurses, attorneys, engineers, dentists, bus drivers, taxi drivers, or anybody else who needs to have a valid license of some type in order to legally work in their chosen field.

53 posted on 06/03/2005 5:07:32 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: poobear

The article is not clear on what their status is.


54 posted on 06/03/2005 5:10:43 PM PDT by television is just wrong (http://heidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: judgeandjury
I would judge a contractor by the quality of his work, not the status of his permits.

Would you say that Dr. Smith is one of the finest surgeons in the nation when he is in Ohio, the state where he is licensed, but is an incompetent butcher if he happens to be in a state where he is not licensed?

Is a prostitute a fine mother while in Nevada but an unfit parent when the family visits relatives in California?

Do you believe that illegals are diluting our culture when they speak Spanish but people with visas are not diluting our culture when they speak Spanish?

Do only the illegals have anchor babies, use emergency rooms, have children in bilingual school classes, send money back to families in Mexico, and listen to Spanish language radio stations; whereas legal immigrants do not?

I'd prefer to judge a man by the content of his soul than the color of his immigration file.

Papers please.

55 posted on 06/03/2005 6:46:58 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod

No thats exactly what your kind believes. You believe that when this amnesty goes through we should have no problem with former illegals, because now they are "legal". They didnt have respect for our laws and sovereignty before the amnesty, they wont respect those things after.


56 posted on 06/03/2005 7:07:04 PM PDT by mthom
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To: bayourod

"One day a person is legal, the next day he is illegal, but intrinsically he is the same person."

Yes the same person that planned to illegaly stay after the visa expired probably before they were granted that visa. A person that doesnt respect our laws and sovereignty.


57 posted on 06/03/2005 7:09:38 PM PDT by mthom
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To: Labyrinthos

"I agree, but are you willing to pay $15 for a crab coctail or po'boy?"

I'll have a cheap Po'boy, with a side of hepatitis A, extra tuberculosis, hold the Chagas


58 posted on 06/03/2005 7:13:44 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: judgeandjury
A contractor has a valid license one day and the next day it expires. If this contractor does work on a person's house after his license expires, he is violating the law, even though intrinsically he is the same person he was before his contractor's license expired.

Bad argument on so many levels. If he knows his permit is off and knowingly continues work, he is NOT the same person. He has knowingly decided to break the law and there are many consequences of that a act. Insurance risks kick in, if he is caught the project will be abruptly ended, and other bad things may accrue not just to him but to the people he is working for, with and who may be working for him.

You are partially correct that a person who has decided to deliberately break the law and thus steal from a sovereign country is an evil person. Getting amnesty makes them no less evil -- just lucky.

59 posted on 06/03/2005 7:27:09 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Of all the idiots I've known in my life, none of them were retarded (W. Earl Brown - "Warren," SAM))
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To: oceanview
maybe someone could invent a machine that cracked crabs and harvested the meat, but we will never know because no one invests to invent one.

It's been done, and proved to be less than desirable. Have you ever eaten blue crabs? A Maryland crab cake? If so, do you prefer your crab meat "mashed" from an automatic crab picker? Or would you prefer to bite into a good sized back-fin lump?

Already, back-fin costs close to $15 a pound. Want to pay double the minimum wage and pay $25 or more per pound?

By the way, I catch my blue crabs at my dock, and pick them myself. Eat your heart out.

60 posted on 06/03/2005 7:45:44 PM PDT by jackbill
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