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How to Be a Beekeeper (ESPN.com takes swipe at homeschooled Spelling Bee contestants)
ESPN.com ^ | 6/2/2005 | Darren Rovell

Posted on 06/02/2005 12:55:33 AM PDT by baseballfanjm

ESPN.com ran this article, intending for it to be an amusing take on how to predict the winner of the National Spelling Bee. However, the last "formula" irked me.

Here's what it says:

"Stay away from home-schooled kids.

It goes without saying that these kids don't get out of the house much. There are 34 home-schooled competitors in this year's bee, including speller No. 142 Jack Ausick and speller No. 217 Benjamin Zachary Walter. The first home schooler won in 1997 and others followed, including Lala in '99 and Thampy in 2000. But kids that actually interact with other children at school have won three out of the last four bees."

While he has other "stay away from" picks that fit the joking manner of the article, that one struck me as just lame and as a swipe more than a joke.

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I know, I know, it shouldn't be a huge deal, but it bothered me. For an article that was supposed to have a sense of humor, why did the last entry resort have to take a swipe at homeschoolers?
1 posted on 06/02/2005 12:55:33 AM PDT by baseballfanjm
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To: baseballfanjm

cause homeschoolers have values, expect their children to learn, and are generally conservative (with the exception of the northern californian homeschoolers who are just hippies in communes)


2 posted on 06/02/2005 1:12:57 AM PDT by Nipplemancer
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To: Nipplemancer
cause homeschoolers have values, expect their children to learn, and are generally conservative

Yep.

3 posted on 06/02/2005 1:14:21 AM PDT by baseballfanjm
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To: baseballfanjm
For an article that was supposed to have a sense of humor, why did the last entry resort have to take a swipe at homeschoolers?

Having worked with and had roommates with home schoolers, I would never home school my son. They are social misfits. I don't like our public school system(especially in UT where we rank last or next to last in the nation on public spending) but to shelter you child from a social experience is just abuse
4 posted on 06/02/2005 1:18:11 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: baseballfanjm
It goes without saying that these kids don't get out of the house much. There are 34 home-schooled competitors in this year's bee, including speller No. 142 Jack Ausick and speller No. 217 Benjamin Zachary Walter. The first home schooler won in 1997 and others followed, including Lala in '99 and Thampy in 2000. But kids that actually interact with other children at school have won three out of the last four bees."

The moron who wrote that didn't bother to think about how vastly outnumbered homeschooled kids are in the United States. Yet, they are there at the end of Spelling Bees, competing for the title. And if school children -- whom I haven't a thing against, as a former one myself -- have won three out of the last four bees, they are just catching up with the homeschooled kids, who won three out of four 1997-2000.

Whoever wrote this has "issues."

5 posted on 06/02/2005 1:24:43 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Freeping since March 1998. This is my blessing. This is my curse.)
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To: MikeyA5150

I hate to burst your bubble, but perhaps you haven't noticed...

(/whisper)...there are social misfits at public schools too. They are called "nerds", "dorks" or even "geeks". And ther are MILLIONS of them!(/whisper OFF)

Perhaps you were just too sheltered to notice the public school misfits - just like you might have been to sheltered to notice the well socialized homeschoolers that roam the halls all around you? It's not really something to rag on you about - after all, it's easy to tag "misfits" but it's much harder to notice the well-adjusted peoples of the world. It's just more obvious when a person "doesn't fit in"...

If percentages are what you're going on, then I'm willing to bet hard cash that there are millions more public school "misfits" then there are homeschool "misfits". Having taught in public schools and with homeschoolers, I can tell you from experience - misfits and "unsocialized" public school students exist in FAR greater numbers and percentages than do homeschoolers.

My daughter is a proud graduate of a public "magnet" school, and my son is homeschooled, so I have both sides of the fence to play here!


6 posted on 06/02/2005 1:31:16 AM PDT by dandelion
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To: baseballfanjm
used to work for ESPN. Need I say more?
7 posted on 06/02/2005 1:33:02 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: MikeyA5150
We have seven grandchildren that are or have been home schooled of which non are social misfits. They all have friends from all areas, church, neighbors and other home schooled children.

Social interaction is only one of the areas that children must be prepared for having a full and rewarding life.

Home schoolers have many advantages that others, including private schooled children do not.

My two oldest were able to take collage credit courses during their last two years of high school, and are now on full scholarships to the university. Both have been to Europe (with friends), and have such a busy life that I hardly ever get to see them.

When the parent is the instructor, everything becomes a lesson, even to the 2 yo who wants to know why you are putting chemicals in the pool. Science lesson. And it goes on and on. The children that are being abused are the ones that are in government schools.
8 posted on 06/02/2005 1:35:17 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: mariabush

As I stated I am not a fan of public schools. But, in my choice of the lesser of the evils(public or home) I choose public. I can show values at home and from church. I agree that you should teach at every chance at home but children need the social interaction with others of different faiths and different backgrounds.


9 posted on 06/02/2005 1:45:24 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: MikeyA5150
Having worked with and had roommates with home schoolers, I would never home school my son. They are social misfits.

What does that mean, exactly? That they don't hold their tongue when situations call for political correctness? That they don't hang out and drink after work the way other kids their age did after school? That they have trouble putting on a condom because of their lack of cucumber experience?

I don't like our public school system(especially in UT where we rank last or next to last in the nation on public spending) but to shelter you (sic) child from a social experience is just abuse

Here's a news flash: spending more on schools won't necessarily improve results. I notice that you didn't say anything about Utah's test scores or graduation rates, you just referred to state money sunk into the system.

10 posted on 06/02/2005 1:46:44 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Freeping since March 1998. This is my blessing. This is my curse.)
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To: MikeyA5150
"but to shelter you child from a social experience is just abuse"

To socialize your child with too many young felons and other descendents of collectivism is abuse. And to allow others to waste your child's time on too much fiction and counter-culture indoctrination is neglect.
11 posted on 06/02/2005 1:48:43 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: dandelion
Those social misfits you mention in public schools almost always have self-esteem problems. Teaching in the home is important. Building up children is important. I don't think "It takes a village" I believe it takes a family!!! But I do believe that children need outside influences other than church and family and "people like me." DemoRATs want only their views allowed I want my child to see others beliefs and cultures and if I do my job as a parent at home it will be beneficial for all everyone involved
12 posted on 06/02/2005 1:50:35 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: L.N. Smithee; MikeyA5150
Here's a news flash: spending more on schools won't necessarily improve results. I notice that you didn't say anything about Utah's test scores or graduation rates, you just referred to state money sunk into the system.

Washington DC spends over $10,000 per child per year, but they rank pretty close to the bottom in acheivement. For that kind of money, you could rent a pretty good room and hire a teacher for $100,000 per year and have a 1:15 student:teacher ratio. I wonder where the money goes.

13 posted on 06/02/2005 1:51:50 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: MikeyA5150
Having worked with and had roommates with home schoolers, I would never home school my son. They are social misfits. I don't like our public school system(especially in UT where we rank last or next to last in the nation on public spending) but to shelter you child from a social experience is just abuse.

I don't know which homeschooled kids you're talking about, but my neighbor homeschools her two kids and they are about as normal and well-mannered as any kids you'd ever want to meet. These two kids each have many friends, both participate in organized sports leagues, both love to hang out at the mall, and do all the other typical activities that kids their age like to do. My neighbor's two kids are having a wonderful social experience and are enjoying life to the fullest.

14 posted on 06/02/2005 1:54:54 AM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: L.N. Smithee
Wow somebody has misjudged me!!! By not fitting in, I mean they don't socialize well. Have a hard time with the opposite sex, different cultures or religions. About the spending more on schools Comment. As I stated I don't like public schools I am in favor or vouchers. I simply believe that we need to interact with others of different from ourselves. Not the Tali ban way of but The American way differences are good learning tools.
15 posted on 06/02/2005 1:58:26 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: baseballfanjm
"...The first home schooler won in 1997 and others followed, including Lala in '99 and Thampy in 2000. But kids that actually interact with other children at school have won three out of the last four bees."

Interact? Is that what they are calling it these days?

Our local paper publishes the police dispatch of which over 50% are to public schools. Why? Obviously to address the need for students to achieve even greater levels of interaction. Who knows, one day they may even get to interact with a lawyer and a judge!

16 posted on 06/02/2005 1:59:05 AM PDT by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves..........)
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To: Nipplemancer

It has to with the kids’ upbringing. My 5 year old son has a friend who's mother is home schooling him, they went to pre-school together. She sets up play dates with a bunch of kids he knows from pre-school and in her neighborhood, here in NorCal, every week. Oh by the way, she's not a hippie and she doesn't live in a commune.


17 posted on 06/02/2005 2:01:52 AM PDT by repubpub
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To: familyop
Well I don't think it is the schools whole responsibility to teach. 90% should be in the home but going to school and interacting with others is needed.

To socialize your child with too many young felons and other descendents of collectivism is abuse.
Well isn't that just preparation for the future? Felons? Don't you see them every day? Shouldn't we teach our children how to handle these circumstances before they get thrown into the world?
18 posted on 06/02/2005 2:01:53 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: MikeyA5150

Why do children have to be exposed to the evils of this world? If your child is not an adult, then what personal experience do you have to draw on.

My guess is that your experience with home schoolers is very limited.

If a child has a good solid foundation they will be able to function just fine in this world.


19 posted on 06/02/2005 2:07:21 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: MikeyA5150

I too have always believed that a full immersion into all different kinds of cultures is important, and I have always taught respect for cultural differences in my homeschool classrooms and public school classrooms. My longing for a rich cultural and educational environment is drove my choice to homeschool my son - because I knew from first-hand experience that he was going to get a very narrow educational viewpoint at his local public school.

I find it abhorrent that many teachers now only have permission to "teach the test" - it leaves no room for deeper learning, especially when it comes to the tapestry of cultural experiences that can be found outside the classroom.

Homeschoolers are a very diverse bunch, and they are not all just about "social isolation". Dig a little deeper - I think you might be surprised by what you find!


20 posted on 06/02/2005 2:10:17 AM PDT by dandelion
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To: MikeyA5150

Almost all of the future prison population is attending public schools now. In schools, the law of the jungle often applies with regard to conflicts. When young people reach their day of legal adulthood, severe conflicts must be solved very differently from then on. It is best that they learn to deal with social problems as they will when they are adults.

It is also common knowledge that public schools are not delivering needed instruction in math, applied English, history, government and other subjects. Children who attend those schools are being cheated out of opportunities that they otherwise might have.


21 posted on 06/02/2005 2:10:27 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: dandelion

"is drove"

Dang, I need more coffee!


22 posted on 06/02/2005 2:12:13 AM PDT by dandelion
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To: mariabush
If you are familiar with the Bible then are you aware that we are taught about Satan? Well By using The Master as the example teacher, I choose to show my child that other ways are out there and to beware. I don't take him to an bad movies(which are about 99% of all that come out recently) But I don't see that public school as Bringing sin upon my son. But it does show him slight negative and positive influences. We discuss this at home and he learns more than any of your home-schooled sheltered Tali ban govern children would
23 posted on 06/02/2005 2:12:40 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: MikeyA5150

Wow. Your rationale just went off the deep end. I can guarantee you I don't see a felon every day. Social problems breed far more swiftly in an uncontrolled group of children (public school,) than in a closely supervised educational environment (home school) where social interaction is planned and scrutinized. People have this problem nowadays thinking that their fifteen year old is an adult.


24 posted on 06/02/2005 2:13:37 AM PDT by andrew2527
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To: MikeyA5150

"... he learns more than any of your home-schooled sheltered Tali ban govern children would"

Now you've gone off the deep end.


25 posted on 06/02/2005 2:17:45 AM PDT by andrew2527
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To: MikeyA5150

Again, children do not have to be exposed to evil in order to be aware of what is going on in this world. My grandchildren are well read (the classics at a very early age) have been to Europe and some are big NASCAR fans and believe me attending one race will give a person a great view of the outside world.

Start cringing, one of these home schoolers will be interning for one of our Republican Congresswomen this summer.


26 posted on 06/02/2005 2:21:24 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: MikeyA5150
"Well I don't think it is the schools whole responsibility to teach. 90% should be in the home..."

We know that many teachers have such a wish, but it is an unrealistic fantasy (as is most of the fiction they deliver). But how can 90 percent of a child's learning happen in the home, when they spend most of their daylight hours in school buildings? Thirty hours per week for nine months of each year is more than enough time for formal instruction to children. And they shouldn't be taught, for example, that it is heroic for a child to burn down a new restaurant to save "ground owls" (one story that is read to many public school children between ages 10 and 12).
27 posted on 06/02/2005 2:23:31 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: andrew2527
I don't see a felon every day? Well between 91 and 2001 I saw a pic of Clinton everyday He is a felon!!! Yes they are are every where!!!
28 posted on 06/02/2005 2:23:38 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: baseballfanjm

Let 'em snicker!

In 25 years their kids will be calling out kids "Boss".


29 posted on 06/02/2005 2:25:52 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: familyop

And they shouldn't be taught, for example, that it is heroic for a child to burn down a new restaurant to save "ground owls" (one story that is read to many public school children between ages 10 and 12).

So they come home and you have a conversation and that solves the problem doesn't. Don't get me wrong I am not a fan of public schools I just think home schooling is worse.


30 posted on 06/02/2005 2:25:53 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: MikeyA5150

I think that you do not really believe what you are saying.


31 posted on 06/02/2005 2:27:02 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: PetroniusMaximus
In 25 years their kids will be calling out kids "Boss".

Well that would mean dealing with different kinds of people wouldn't it? Well then a school is the solution
32 posted on 06/02/2005 2:27:15 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: MikeyA5150

At the very least you made me laugh!


33 posted on 06/02/2005 2:29:24 AM PDT by andrew2527
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To: MikeyA5150

Give it up! You do not have a clue what you are talking about.


34 posted on 06/02/2005 2:31:22 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: mariabush

I believe that home schooling is abuse. Unless you are afraid of your parenting abilities then shouldn't you be able to let you children be with others that are different. I am not afraid to let my child see someone who is doing something wrong in school. I can discuss the consequences with them. I teach the values and, for the most part the facts of sciences and writing. I send my son to school to test these.


35 posted on 06/02/2005 2:32:30 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: mariabush
Good rebuttal
36 posted on 06/02/2005 2:33:17 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: andrew2527

Thank you I do a good Bush SR. Voice also


37 posted on 06/02/2005 2:34:07 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: MikeyA5150

*** Well that would mean dealing with different kinds of people wouldn't it? Well then a school is the solution***

How ever in the world did children learn to socialize before there were public schools?????


38 posted on 06/02/2005 2:34:52 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: baseballfanjm

The success of home schooled children and the continued unmasking of the rot in public education, has this writer in a predictable attack mode.

Pathetic.


39 posted on 06/02/2005 2:35:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: MikeyA5150

You cannot be with your child at school, so how do you know just what they are being exposed to?

We have raised a number of very succesfull children to adulthood, so I think that I just might be a little more qualfied on the subject than you are.


40 posted on 06/02/2005 2:37:22 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Well first the cultural differences didn't exist Religious differences as well. This country is a melting pot we should learn to deal with people and their differences. This was not the case before schools.
41 posted on 06/02/2005 2:37:54 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: MikeyA5150
"We discuss this at home and he learns more than any of your home-schooled sheltered Tali ban govern children would"

That's an interesting comment, and I venture to guess that you attended a public school or similar parochial school. Will he be doing calculus when he's 12? Will he be able to write a formal letter in correct English? Will he know where a bill goes along the way to becoming law or not?

I do hope that he does not learn to incorrectly associate others during arguments with the "Tali ban."
42 posted on 06/02/2005 2:38:15 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: mariabush
You cannot be with your child at school, so how do you know just what they are being exposed to?

I ask my child it is called communication.

We have raised a number of very successful children to adulthood, so I think that I just might be a little more qualified on the subject than you are.

Well if your children were social misfits I am sure you wouldn't mention it. Sorry but you are a little biased
43 posted on 06/02/2005 2:40:43 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: familyop

"Almost all of the future prison population is attending public schools now."

I can one upya; almost all of the future prison population is innocent.
Or
Almost all of the future prison population breaths.


44 posted on 06/02/2005 2:43:58 AM PDT by repubpub
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To: MikeyA5150
I have two home schooled children, and I know hundreds of others. There certainly are "unusual" children among the ranks of home schooled children. But, as a former public school teacher, too, I can tell you that my experience would indicate that there is a far higher percentage of "misfits" in public school than you'll ever find among the home school ranks.

I case you're interested in the research, here's some info for you:
http://www.hslda.org/courtreport/v19n6/v19n606.asp

The truth is that most home schooled kids are far better "socialized" than are their public schooled counterparts.
45 posted on 06/02/2005 2:44:27 AM PDT by RavenATB ("Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." George Bernard Shaw)
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To: MikeyA5150
***Well first the cultural differences didn't exist Religious differences as well***

Puh-leeze! Too funny!


***This country is a melting pot we should learn to deal with people and their differences.***


Where did you learn to interact with Muslims or Japanese or Russians? In you school??? Not likely.




***This was not the case before schools***

So school is not about education but socialization!

Problem is WHOSE VERSION OF SOCIETY WILL PREVAIL???

Which "vision" of society will your child be socialized into????
46 posted on 06/02/2005 2:44:33 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: MikeyA5150
Maybe I am biased, but we have one son that owns his own business, another that is a financial analyst for a large auto parts retail company. another that is an officer in the Navy and has won all kinds of rewards. You do not achieve these goals in life if you are misfits.

It is really late or really early in Utah. Maybe you are just sleep deprived and will be more rational tomorrow!!!!!!!!!
47 posted on 06/02/2005 2:47:12 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: familyop
WHy would a 12 year old need calculus? I was taught to write a formal letter with the help from my parents. And we all know the song as to how a bill becomes a law! But does your child understand the different religions and why a Sikh carries a knife? Does you teenager feel comfortable enough with the opposite sex to dance at a dance Oh wait Homeschoolers don't get that opportunity
48 posted on 06/02/2005 2:47:58 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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To: RavenATB

Thank you!!!!!!


49 posted on 06/02/2005 2:48:40 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Where did you learn to interact with Muslims or Japanese or Russians? In you school??? Not likely
Actually yes I was blessed to live near a University where I was surrounded by many cultures and religions But thanks for the inquiry


50 posted on 06/02/2005 2:49:24 AM PDT by MikeyA5150 (The NEA is Evil)
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