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7-Year-Old Suspected In Beating Death Of Baby Sister
WNBC Television ^ | 6/2/2005 | Puppage

Posted on 06/02/2005 7:15:50 AM PDT by Puppage

TAMPA, Fla. -- In an attack that's rattled even veteran detectives, police in Florida said a 7-year-old boy has confessed to beating his baby sister to death.

Investigators said the boy was jealous of the attention the infant was getting and upset by her crying. They said the boy beat the baby with his fists, feet and a two-by-four.

The attack occurred in Tampa, while the boy was visiting his father.

Police said the father and his girlfriend were outside with neighbors when the boy came out and told them the baby was "bleeding." They said the seven-month-old had a bloody nose, and wasn't breathing. The parents rushed the baby to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead.

A spokesman said detectives noted they'd never seen someone so young "show so much violence and so little remorse."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Florida; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: deathcultivation; donutwatch; murder; siblingrivalry
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1 posted on 06/02/2005 7:15:50 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: Puppage

May God have mercy!


2 posted on 06/02/2005 7:17:33 AM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Puppage
My God, they get younger and younger.

Most have od'ed on "self esteem" along with NO DISCIPLINE.

Jealousy is a human reaction but without proper guidance this is the worst case example of what can happen.
3 posted on 06/02/2005 7:18:24 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Puppage

Very upsetting. It also makes me mad. What causes this?


4 posted on 06/02/2005 7:18:33 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Puppage

I really don't know what to say about this sort of thing.


5 posted on 06/02/2005 7:18:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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To: cripplecreek
I really don't know what to say about this sort of thing

A prayer is all I can come up with.

6 posted on 06/02/2005 7:21:20 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Puppage
Its unbearable to read.
7 posted on 06/02/2005 7:22:20 AM PDT by lillybet (HAT)
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To: Puppage

Why did they leave the infant alone with a 7 year old?


8 posted on 06/02/2005 7:23:08 AM PDT by Xenophobic Alien (OK gang, you know the rules, no humping, no licking, no sniffing hineys.)
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To: Puppage
Police said the father and his girlfriend...

Tells me a lot...

9 posted on 06/02/2005 7:24:10 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Puppage

And the Supreme Court says we can't put this kid to death.


10 posted on 06/02/2005 7:24:17 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: Puppage

Some of us on FR have been talking about the fact that recently we seem to be getting more and more child abuse/death stories. We can't figure out why that is.

Since you posted this one, I wanted to ask your motivation. Why post this story? What do you believe it achieves?

Thanks for your response.


11 posted on 06/02/2005 7:24:18 AM PDT by Pete
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To: shekkian

He's 7 years old. Do you believe he has the mental capacity to understand what he did? Just asking.


12 posted on 06/02/2005 7:26:06 AM PDT by colorcountry (To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable. ....Barry Goldwater)
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To: Fury
Very upsetting. It also makes me mad. What causes this?

Police said the father and his girlfriend.....

Ripping families apart and reassembling them can be torturous for little kids....

13 posted on 06/02/2005 7:26:28 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Puppage

Punch, hit and smash in order to get the baby to STOP crying? B.S. A 7yrs old is plenty old enough to know that.

Parents probably went next door to drink, or smoke it up, should've never been out of ear shot.

You don't trust ANYONE with, or near, a newborn - cat, dog, kids, friends, etc. unless you are standing right there. They are just too damn fragile to risk or assume anything.

Bottom line - they screwed up raising their 7yr old and that chicken came home to roost.

Open your wallet, we're all going to be paying for this 7 yr old kid the rest of his life - jail, institutions, welfare, etc. The parents little "gift" to the rest of us.


14 posted on 06/02/2005 7:27:02 AM PDT by Sax
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To: Puppage

Note the article said "while the child was visiting his father" and "the father's girlfriend". I read that to assume that (a) the boy didn't live with his father and (b) the baby probably was a half-sister, born of a relationship the father had with his "girlfriend". From those two observations, I would make a good guess that the child did not have much of a home life and that at least one of his parents was leading a tawdry life of his own, and (c) There was a lack of loving nurturing in the kid's own home, i.e. he's witnessed other beatings.

All that said, this is a dreadful act; but the kid is probably not altogether totally to blame.


15 posted on 06/02/2005 7:27:16 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Onelifetogive
Police said the father and his girlfriend...

Tells me a lot...

You got that right....that is all one really needs to know. Typical loser parents more concerned with their lust lives than anything. If these children had a loving, stable, two-parent (original parents) home, this would not have happened.

16 posted on 06/02/2005 7:27:33 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Fury

I think the unstable lives many children lead is a contributing element to their acting violently and irrationally.


17 posted on 06/02/2005 7:27:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Who needs pictures when you can have words?)
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To: shekkian

You want to execute a 7 year old!?!? The boy is 7, not 17!


18 posted on 06/02/2005 7:28:30 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: Fury
The latest on this story yesterday, relatives and neighbors said the child was very cunning and sweet as long as things would go her way. The moment they did not a fury would rise and she would spit at others, scream and pick up large objects and hit other children. She apparently was jealous of the attention the baby was receiving. What kind monsters are being raised?
19 posted on 06/02/2005 7:28:39 AM PDT by poobear
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To: Fury
What causes this?

Adults who fail to civilize their children.

20 posted on 06/02/2005 7:28:43 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Puppage

I hate to say this, but the kid should be put to death. If someone so young has the capacity to murder their own infant sister, then they don't deserve life themselves and do not belong on this planet.

I know I'm being harsh but no amount of "rehabilitation" has ever been shown to work. There is a 99% chance that this kid will do it again if given the chance.


21 posted on 06/02/2005 7:29:03 AM PDT by Tempestuous
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To: Puppage

We had a 4 y/o stab his sister to death here.

I honestly don't have a clue other than no one is paying attention to the kids.


22 posted on 06/02/2005 7:29:35 AM PDT by najida (www.lotusdance.com/FreeperettesHunks.html)
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To: najida

A few years back we had an 11 year old stab his 13 year old neighbor to death because she wouldn't "date" him. There were no parents in either home at the time.


23 posted on 06/02/2005 7:33:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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To: poobear

I think you may be thinking of the 9 year old girl in New York. This is a 7 year old boy. Both are horrific stories.


24 posted on 06/02/2005 7:33:14 AM PDT by luckymom (Forget the baby whales, save the baby humans.)
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To: poobear
The latest on this story yesterday, relatives and neighbors said the child was very cunning and sweet as long as things would go her way. The moment they did not a fury would rise and she would spit at others, scream and pick up large objects and hit other children. She apparently was jealous of the attention the baby was receiving.

IIRC, I think that was from the story yesterday about the friend killing her friend with a knife.....this is a different story...but what does it really matter? It is all the same, all of it reeks of bad parenting.

What kind monsters are being raised?

A very good question......

25 posted on 06/02/2005 7:33:45 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Local news described the sibling relationship as step-sister. Also said the boy was jealous of attention the baby received.


26 posted on 06/02/2005 7:34:15 AM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: Puppage

Broken or disfunctional family situation I bet !!!

I have five grandchildren who have been taught through love to look out for one another , and they do , thank GOD .. .. ..


27 posted on 06/02/2005 7:34:17 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( Home of the FREE because of the BRAVE .. .. .. ))
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To: Tempestuous

OK,
Devil's advocate here...

Lets say we DO put to death all kids who kill ...
Even the ones as young as 4....

1. Who does the killing?
2. How are they executed?
3. Would you want to live next door to the person who puts these kids to death?
4. Lastly, do we really, truly want to live in a country that executes children?

(and the first One Note Wanda Hijack of 'but we abort them' post will get a personal boot in the backside from me).


28 posted on 06/02/2005 7:34:20 AM PDT by najida (www.lotusdance.com/FreeperettesHunks.html)
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To: poobear

Differnt kid, differnt state, differnt story, same result.......


29 posted on 06/02/2005 7:34:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Goooooooogle your own name.............)
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To: colorcountry

I do believe he knew what he was doing. When I was 7 I still had a lot to learn, but I had very very very very clear NO BEATING AND NO KILLING. If 7 year olds don't understand that, there would be way more killings like this.


30 posted on 06/02/2005 7:35:05 AM PDT by angelanddevil2
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To: Tempestuous

You're either a troll or ignorant.

Please provide your proof that 99 percent of 7-year-olds who have killed somebody cannot be rehabilitated.


31 posted on 06/02/2005 7:36:20 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: yellowdoghunter
...this would not have happened.

Some people are just defective, so you can't say this wouldn't happen, but I bet the odds of it happening would be FAR, FAR lower.....

32 posted on 06/02/2005 7:37:29 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Sax

I dissagree a little bit in that you NEVER leave a baby with anybody else. There are people you trust and that is OK. I left my baby with my father while I was shopping and I was reassure nothing would happen to him. Or you can have very close friends. I know people with kids sometimes cover up for each other. There is nothing wrong with it.


33 posted on 06/02/2005 7:37:30 AM PDT by angelanddevil2
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To: Puppage

What is draining the innocence from so many childhoods? Perhaps the fact that fewer adults appear willing to expend the effort creating the environment that allows childhood to exist in the first place. As a society, we seem to be regressing to an ancient era.


34 posted on 06/02/2005 7:37:35 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: angelanddevil2

OK, but lets say the kid is raised watching movies like "House of a 1000 Corpses" from the time he's born (I know a kid like this).

Lets say that hitting with fists, punches and slaps are a pretty common occurance.

Lets say that this kid pretty much has been left to raise himself.

With that, I can see how he could do what he did.


35 posted on 06/02/2005 7:38:11 AM PDT by najida (www.lotusdance.com/FreeperettesHunks.html)
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To: Pete
Why post this story? What do you believe it achieves?

Why post ANY story? It's local area news posted on FR for people to comment on and debate if the story necessitates. It is the fabric of FR, is it not?

What's with the "achievement" angle????

36 posted on 06/02/2005 7:38:14 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: nmh

Jealousy is also found in animals and many dog attacks are caused for the same reason.


37 posted on 06/02/2005 7:38:29 AM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: Puppage

wow.

kid in a non-stable family situation.

Not being fathered enough?

Not being controlled enough by a mother who uses him for emotional support?

Wow.

I have heard of murderous attempts done by young kids who were sexually abused or physically abused as very small children, who had the bonds of trust shattered and had this horribly deep well of anger.

Whatever it is, it is a true tragedy for the people involved.


38 posted on 06/02/2005 7:39:15 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: shekkian
And the Supreme Court says we can't put this kid to death

Do you think a 7 year old should be executed?

39 posted on 06/02/2005 7:39:38 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Sax

Correct-a-mundo , and well said Sax


40 posted on 06/02/2005 7:40:03 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: colorcountry

"He's 7 years old. Do you believe he has the mental capacity to understand what he did?"

When I was about 3 (this is what my mother told me), my father took me to the grocery store, and I wanted a candy bar. He said "no"; I decided to take it anyway. We were about to leave the cashier when he discovered what I had in my hand. I was promptly spanked *in front of the cashier* and told to give it back. To this day I have never even thought about stealing anything.

Even though I don't remember the incident, I certainly learned my lesson - at 3 years old, no less. How's that for mental capacity? However cliche it sounds, it's squarely his parents' fault for not teaching him the value of right and wrong at a younger age.


41 posted on 06/02/2005 7:40:17 AM PDT by NASBWI
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To: eastforker
Jealousy is also found in animals and many dog attacks are caused for the same reason.

The story of Cain and Able comes to mind.

42 posted on 06/02/2005 7:40:48 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Xenophobic Alien

They were outside on the lawn... Its not like they went to the store..


43 posted on 06/02/2005 7:40:53 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: Tempestuous

I don't think a 7 year old will ever be put death but look at Lionel Tate. Anyone here at the the time think he was going to be rehabilitated? Most FReepers probably thought he would lead a worthless life and he's proven us right. I don't know what you do with a 7 year old but it's probably too late for this boy. It's either the way he was raised, an unseen defect from birth, or both of those factors. Society will be hearing from/about this child again.


44 posted on 06/02/2005 7:42:29 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: colorcountry
To know what he did was wrong, yes! to know the severity of it? probably not. I dont think this kid should get death but he should be at the very least spend allot of time in therapy from now on.
45 posted on 06/02/2005 7:42:33 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: yellowdoghunter

"If these children had a loving, stable, two-parent (original parents) home, this would not have happened."

Hard call to make there - I'm not sure of 100% of the details, but what about the would-be high school graduate who murdered his grandparents and friends before committing suicide? Wasn't his home stable? That's what I was led to believe, anyway.


46 posted on 06/02/2005 7:42:45 AM PDT by NASBWI
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To: Puppage

Thanks for posting this story. I heard about it yesterday on the radio and couldn't find any other details.

These stories where young kids are killing babies and other young kids are heartbreaking.


47 posted on 06/02/2005 7:44:04 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: colorcountry

"He's 7 years old. Do you believe he has the mental capacity to understand what he did? Just asking."

Do you believe he doesn't have the capacity to understand? If he doesn't have the capacity, why don't more 7 year olds kill? In fact, why don't 5 year olds, they have even less capacity to understand.

The fact is, he has enough reasoning ability to know he did something terribly wrong. At this point, he is a lost soul. I firmly believe he will be nothing but a burden on society for the rest of his days.

Death penalty? I don't know. Lock him away forever? Well, seems humane, but what kind of life is that? Prison doesn't rehabilitate, it hardens.

I don't have the answer, but I do believe this child is damaged beyond repair and should never be allowed to run free in society.


48 posted on 06/02/2005 7:45:32 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: Gone GF
Please provide your proof that 99 percent of 7-year-olds who have killed somebody cannot be rehabilitated.

It's one of those "rectal estimates".

49 posted on 06/02/2005 7:46:13 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: poobear

Wrong story. This is a 7 year old boy.


50 posted on 06/02/2005 7:46:39 AM PDT by knittnmom
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