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What Everybody's Missing About Deep Throat (He Would Have Buried Watergate)
Self | June 2, 2005 | JohnRobertson

Posted on 06/02/2005 8:21:22 PM PDT by John Robertson

While many MSM'ers (sorry, most) are lionizing this guy as "a hero," someone who "did what he had to do," something big is being missed.

Our side has pointed out that he authorized/engineered illegal breakins himself...

And that he turned on the Whitehouse because he didn't get the top FBI job. Now think about that....

Felt became a snitch because he didn't get something he wanted! He was an opportunist, plain and simple (and it runs in the family, apparently, as they shamelessly say they urged the old man to do it so they could all get some money). Yeah, a real hero.

But here's what I haven't seen....

If they had made him the head of the FBI, he WOULD NOT have turned on the Whitehouse.

In fact, as head of the FBI....

HE WOULD HAVE HELPED THEM BURY WATERGATE!


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KEYWORDS: bernstein; deepthroat; felt; feltgate; markfelt; nixon; watergate; woodward
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Yes, absolutely.

He had information, which had value, and he sold it (his price was vengeance, and pique, and if those Watergate-era photos are sending any messages across the decades, smugness).

Just because Nixon and his people didn't know the terms (make me FBI head and I won't leak like a wooden boat that sat out back in the yard for fourteen years), doesn't mean a deal wasn't there for their making. If Nixon had appointed him, he would have kept his mouth shut, so the Nixon government wouldn't unravel, and cost him the job he so openly coveted.

And does anyone really doubt that such an amoral opportunist wouldn't have proactively gotten involved in defending his position within the regime that was threatened? And taken action to protect himself within that regime?

1 posted on 06/02/2005 8:21:23 PM PDT by John Robertson
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To: John Robertson

It's interesting to contrast and compare attitudes towards Mark Felt and Linda Tripp.


2 posted on 06/02/2005 8:26:58 PM PDT by sourcery (Resistance is futile: We are the Blog)
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To: John Robertson

Boy, now THERE'S an interesting alternate universe...


3 posted on 06/02/2005 8:27:05 PM PDT by Old Sarge (In for a penny, in for a pound, saddlin' up and Baghdad-bound!)
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To: John Robertson

We're not even sure he wasn't blackmailing the Deep-Throat Juniors he had to be getting info from!


4 posted on 06/02/2005 8:27:59 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: John Robertson
I wonder if Woodward and Bernstein realize why they were chosen by W. Mark Felt?<p.They were chosen because they were green horns and easily manipulated. Mark Felt was on a mission to destroy Nixon and he needed two flunkies to do his dirty work. Woodward never questioned Felt's motives, The Erlichman/Felt connection is an interesting story and one has to wonder if the two of them were in cahoots
5 posted on 06/02/2005 8:33:38 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: sourcery

Yes, Tripp compared to Felt....

Tripp: Victimized, threatened, demeaned, diminished, finances challenged and lost. Yet still retained dignity.

Felt: Victimizer, nefarious plotter, revenge-motivated op, challenged finances about to be boosted. Never had any real dignity to start with.

You pick the hero.


6 posted on 06/02/2005 8:34:15 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: sourcery
It's interesting to contrast and compare attitudes towards Mark Felt and Linda Tripp.

Even moreso, the media portrayal of Mark Felt and Gary Aldrich.

7 posted on 06/02/2005 8:36:51 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (When it's all said and done, someone starts another conversation.)
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To: Old Sarge

But the for a decision-flip--Yeah, put Felt in that job--so much of history would have been so very different.

In fact...do you know those novels where Hitler won the war--what the world would be like?

Think of a novel where Watergate was a blip, then went away.

Nixon finishes his term.

Finishes much of his agenda.

Ford, probably two terms, in spite of himself.

We would never have had to up with Jimmah Cahtah.

And probably no Clinton (southern governor, etc.).

Only two dem presidents in 40 years...Carter and Toon.

And if Nixon had given Felt the job, we wouldn't have had to put up with them.

The lingering "triumph" of the Left bringing down Nixon never would have saturated the culture.

And liberalism would be far, far paler than it is today.


8 posted on 06/02/2005 8:38:17 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: John Robertson
So Watergate gets buried, and Nixon serves out his term. Who gets elected in 76? No way Carter gets elected without Watergate. Without Carter, Reagan never gets elected in 80--tho maybe in 76 he might have. Maybe Bob Dole in 76?

All in all, how it all turned out seems relatively well.

9 posted on 06/02/2005 8:38:22 PM PDT by Pappy Smear
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To: Mach9

"We're not even sure he wasn't blackmailing the Deep-Throat Juniors he had to be getting info from!"

Exactly. Or somesuch nefarious behavior. He has already demonstrated that he would do anything--follow orders loyally...betray you (under cover of darkness)...then one day cash in....


10 posted on 06/02/2005 8:39:45 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: John Robertson

But, you know, would there have been a Ronald Reagan?

Would we have had the Shining City on the Hill?


11 posted on 06/02/2005 8:40:34 PM PDT by Old Sarge (In for a penny, in for a pound, saddlin' up and Baghdad-bound!)
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To: John Robertson
He was Hoover's second in command...who do we think got the juicy file information on Martin Luther King, Kennedy, and ALL the others that Hoover kept in line??? Could it have been Felt? What a CREEP...What a HYPOCRITE! "WAHHHH....I want the Director's job or else I'll RUIN you"!

Hey Joan Felt and greedy son.....you have exposed your father and grandfather to an ugly ruin yourselves.....kind of takes the hero worship right out.

12 posted on 06/02/2005 8:40:53 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: MJY1288

What's the Erlichman/Felt connection?


13 posted on 06/02/2005 8:41:56 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Pappy Smear
I agree, plus it's a futile discussion, simply because the past is the past, and no amount of imaginative thinking could ever really come up with all the possibilities of where we would be today if Watergate was buried.

I'll gladly suffer through Carter in order to have been blessed with Ronald Reagan as my President

14 posted on 06/02/2005 8:41:57 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: TexasNative2000

Aldrich is the model for a "hero" declaring chicanery of a high-level boss.

Felt, a "hero"?

Heroes step up and say, Hey, this is going on! They don't skulk around, hiding, fearful and vengeful at the same time. That's not a hero.

And we will never know if ALL the stuff Felt gave the reporters was even true, because he's a dithering jerk, and nearly all of the key players are dead.


15 posted on 06/02/2005 8:42:12 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: Pappy Smear

See my #8.


16 posted on 06/02/2005 8:42:52 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: MJY1288
Our side has pointed out that he authorized/engineered illegal breakins himself...

And you know what the real kicker is? When he was on trial, just guess who Felt asked to come to court and testify on his behalf that sometimes things like black bag jobs have to be done?

Just guess.

17 posted on 06/02/2005 8:43:59 PM PDT by Howlin (Up or down on Janice Brown!)
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To: Old Sarge

"But, you know, would there have been a Ronald Reagan? Would we have had the Shining City on the Hill?"

Well, you have something here.

But then again: Reagan was a once in a century leader... perhaps a once in a country's lifetime leader. And he think he would have risen to the top anyway.


18 posted on 06/02/2005 8:44:13 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: Ann Archy

Hitting nails directly on heads dittoes.


19 posted on 06/02/2005 8:44:54 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: Ann Archy
Erlichman was in some trouble that W. Mark Felt helped him with and Erlichman was indebted to Felt. Mark Felt's biographer (Who very recently agreed to sell his rights to Mark Felt's Memoirs to his family) has said that Erlichman was Felt's White House source
20 posted on 06/02/2005 8:45:28 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: MJY1288

Said it above and believe it: Reagan would have risen to the top no matter what. If we get him and avoid Carter, then that's a helluva win.


21 posted on 06/02/2005 8:45:50 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: Howlin

Erlichman?


22 posted on 06/02/2005 8:46:00 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: MJY1288

Richard M. Nixon.

And he did.

And the jury REJECTED Nixon and Felt's defense.


23 posted on 06/02/2005 8:46:50 PM PDT by Howlin (Up or down on Janice Brown!)
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To: Howlin
RMN

Irony never reeked so bad.

24 posted on 06/02/2005 8:47:21 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: MJY1288; Mo1

Mol had some interesting info on Bernsteins father that sheds some light on the son's background.


25 posted on 06/02/2005 8:47:57 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: John Robertson

True, but it's history now


26 posted on 06/02/2005 8:48:15 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: MJY1288

WOW!!!


27 posted on 06/02/2005 8:48:28 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: hole_n_one

Can you even believe the brass ones that took?

"Hey, Dick, you don't know it yet, but I have screwed you royally, but I am not ethical enough to NOT ask you to come and try to save my sorry butt."


28 posted on 06/02/2005 8:48:59 PM PDT by Howlin (Up or down on Janice Brown!)
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To: Howlin

I didn't know that. Felt really is a dirtbag


29 posted on 06/02/2005 8:49:12 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: Old Sarge

Good question. Of course, RR ran against him in '68 (came out ahead of Rockefeller) and there was no love lost between the two Californians. But RR would have had a far better shot at the top spot in '76 (remember someone suggesting he serve as a co-prez with Ford????)--no Watergate raining on Republicans.


30 posted on 06/02/2005 8:49:46 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: MJY1288; Howlin

This whole thing makes me want to weep for Nixon and his family. Ok, it's late.......but this is starting to get to me.


31 posted on 06/02/2005 8:50:17 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: MJY1288

Yeah, it's history.

But speculating on "What might have been" is an irresistible game to many folks, myself included. This was a fairly insignificant act (not letting him be head of FBI) that reverberated around the world, and especially in this country...and continues to reverberate.


32 posted on 06/02/2005 8:50:20 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: Ann Archy
Guess how much the Opportunists Felt family paid the Biographer for his rights to the memiors?

$5,000!!!!!, and now they are worth millions. The 88 year old biographer was on Hard Ball earlier talking about it

33 posted on 06/02/2005 8:52:08 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: Howlin

Yeah, yeah, I failed to cite that.

He took Nixon down...then prevailed upon him to help get his ass out of the dock.

And Nixon, who after all knew what loyalty was (loyalty to his loyalists cost him his presidency), came running.

Felt is an absolute amoral snake.


34 posted on 06/02/2005 8:52:12 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: MJY1288

Don't believe it. Gratitude's one thing, acting against his boss quite another. The only way I can see it is if JE was blackmailed (not necessarily for dough).


35 posted on 06/02/2005 8:52:25 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: John Robertson

Very true, and quite entertaining as well :-)


36 posted on 06/02/2005 8:52:36 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: bonfire; MJY1288

Stay tuned for John Dean's column tomorrow; he's gone through and highlighted all the mistakes Felt made with the Washington Post, even after Bradlee has said he never steered them wrong.


37 posted on 06/02/2005 8:52:48 PM PDT by Howlin (Up or down on Janice Brown!)
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To: MJY1288

They knew the big disclosure was in the pipeline, and so they got every aspect of their cash-in in place before it hit.

Felt's legacy: At least two generations that are every bit as amoral, self-serving, self-congratulatory and opportunistic as I.


38 posted on 06/02/2005 8:53:45 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: John Robertson

"Felt is an absolute amoral snake."

And his family is going to make money off his treachery and traitorism (is that a word?) Makes me ill.


39 posted on 06/02/2005 8:54:00 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: bonfire
Do you mean this??

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1414560/posts?page=79#79

To: Grampa Dave
Now everything they say will be researced

Speaking of research .. I did some last night

I didn't know this about Carl Bernstein's father

Horowitz discloses how active communists such as Al Bernstein and others went on to enjoy lucrative careers. Indeed Carl Bernstein himself ended up at the Washington Post, poised to topple President Richard Nixon, when he confessed to editor Ben Bradley the involvement of his parents in the Communist Party. Bradley, of course, did not remove him

79 posted on 06/01/2005 3:58:23 PM EDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)

40 posted on 06/02/2005 8:54:31 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: Howlin

I will never believe a single word John Dean ever utters. That scumbag is the lowest form of life on the planet


41 posted on 06/02/2005 8:54:40 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: John Robertson
If we get him and avoid Carter, then that's a helluva win.

To begin with, we'd still have the Panama Canal and Khomeini would have never carried out his coup in Iran. When a weak man is in the Oval Office, evil flourishes worldwide.

42 posted on 06/02/2005 8:55:12 PM PDT by JCEccles (Andrea Dworkin--the Ward Churchill of gender politics.)
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To: Mach9

Alas, re Erlichman...dead men can't defend themselves.

We KNOW Felt is a lying, opportunistic, amoral reptile. My money is with yours: He would not have turned on Nixon.


43 posted on 06/02/2005 8:55:18 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: MJY1288

He's been pretty good on this one with Keith Olbermann, much as I hate to admit it.


44 posted on 06/02/2005 8:55:27 PM PDT by Howlin (Up or down on Janice Brown!)
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To: bonfire

I'm with you--but it always has gotten to me.


45 posted on 06/02/2005 8:55:36 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: Mo1

Yes. Thanks! And like I said yesterday; it needs it's own thread!! (hint, hint)


46 posted on 06/02/2005 8:56:00 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: MJY1288

"I will never believe a single word John Dean ever utters. That scumbag is the lowest form of life on the planet."

Agree with the first...asking you to reconsider the second. I think Mark Felt is right down there with him.



47 posted on 06/02/2005 8:56:26 PM PDT by John Robertson (They think I'm working away, but I'm really Freeping.)
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To: Mo1
HIS FATHER IS A COMMUNIST????????
48 posted on 06/02/2005 8:56:32 PM PDT by Howlin (Up or down on Janice Brown!)
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To: Mo1

Very interesting, but not surprising. So many on the left have risen to where they are becuase of their love of Communism.


49 posted on 06/02/2005 8:56:43 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: John Robertson
Without a weakened Nixon, would SE Asia have been abandoned by the dim controlled Congress? Would 3 million SE Asians have died at the hands of Pol Pot and the North Vietnamese? Would the Soviets have invaded Afghanistan creating Osama Bin Laden? What else would've been different? No Gerald Ford presidency? No Jimmy Carter? No Iran hostage crisis? No Bill Clinton? A Republican majority in the House and Senate a decade earlier? Nixon was no hero. Neither is Felt.
50 posted on 06/02/2005 8:56:53 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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