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Serbia shocked by video showing Srebrenica shootings
The Guardian ^ | June 3, 2005 | Agencies in Belgrade

Posted on 06/02/2005 8:54:24 PM PDT by Hoplite

Agencies in Belgrade
Friday June 3, 2005
The Guardian

They are the images that have finally, 10 years later, shocked a nation. A man, several men, are unloaded from a truck, marched to a wooded hillside and shot, one by one, in the back. Two prisoners are ordered to carry the bodies to a barn. They too are then executed. The murder of thousands of Bosnian Muslims from Srebrenica in the summer of 1995 is well documented. But a video that emerged this week during the trial of the former Serbian president, Slobodan Milosevic, has provoked a bout of soul-searching in Serbia, parts of which are still in denial over the horrors of the Bosnian war.

The footage was the first such graphic material from the massacre in Srebrenica to be shown in the country, where more than half of the population refuses to believe it even took place, according to a poll last month. "Serbia is deeply shocked," President Boris Tadic said. "Those images are proof of a monstrous crime committed against persons of a different religion. And the guilty had walked as free men until now."

Eight alleged former members of a Serb paramilitary group, the Scorpions, filmed actually carrying out the murders, have been arrested on the strength of the footage, officials said yesterday.

The faces of the perpetrators can be seen and their insults to the Muslims heard. The film was shot by a member of the Scorpions.

"The killers had walked freely among us, on our streets, behaving as if they were ordinary, honorable citizens," Mr Tadic said. "All those who committed war crimes must be held accountable; only in this way will we be able to have a future. We must not close our eyes to the cruelty that took place."

He added that the crimes at Srebrenica "were carried out in the name of our nation".

"But crimes are always individual and the perpetrators of these monstrous crimes must be punished."

Srebrenica was overrun by Bosnian Serb forces in July 1995, with UN peacekeepers powerless to stop their advance. Some 8,000 Bosnian men and boys were led away to their deaths, survivors telling of how they were lined up and shot in several batches, then buried in mass graves.

The prime minister, Vojislav Kostunica, called the executions a "disgraceful".

UN prosecutors say the killings in the video footage took place on Mount Treskavica near the wartime Bosnian Serb capital, Pale, which is south-west of Srebrenica. The Scorpions were allegedly under orders from Serbian police in Belgrade and the link could directly tie Mr Milosevic with the crimes committed in Bosnia.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; bosnia; ihoppy; kosovo; milosevic; muslims; pancakeboy; scorpions; scumsuckingjihadist; serbia; serbs; sorosfluffers; srebrenica; toothlessdhimmi
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The unit in question, the Scorpions, are part of Serbia's Ministry of the Interior, and were involved in atrocities in Kosovo in addition to Bosnia - it was their training ground at Batajnica, outside Belgrade, in which the mass grave of Kosovar Albanians was found in 2001.

This latest revelation is no so much pertinent to Milosevic's trial, in which the prosecution has already finished it's case, as it is to Bosnia's upcoming suit against Serbia in the International Court of Justice - Belgrade's defence has always been that it was not involved directly in Bosnia's war, but that stance has become well nigh unsupportable.

1 posted on 06/02/2005 8:54:25 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Wonder if this will finally put to rest the apologists and nay sayers on this board who deny crimes were committed by the Serbs.....

not likely is my guess


2 posted on 06/02/2005 8:58:49 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: misterrob

Actually the more recent spin from the apologists is it happened, but every single Bosnian was a rabid fundamentalist Al Queda member by 1995, so it was necessary.


3 posted on 06/02/2005 9:00:22 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

every single Bosnian was a rabid fundamentalist?

Really? Even the children?


4 posted on 06/02/2005 9:01:56 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Hoplite

It took me a while to grasp the idea that bosnians were actually capable of perpetrating massacres against their own people in order to pull gullible American and NATO weenies into their schemes.


5 posted on 06/02/2005 9:03:02 PM PDT by tahotdog
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To: Hoplite

And why was Milosevic more of a threat to our natl. security than Sadam?


6 posted on 06/02/2005 9:03:16 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: All
I mean, after this, which part of this BS am I supposed to go on believing?

How stupid do you think the world is?

7 posted on 06/02/2005 9:04:52 PM PDT by tahotdog
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To: Hoplite

Sensible people have never argued that Milosevitch was a nice guy, or that the Serbs never committed any atrocities. Atrocities have been committed by all the various nationalities in former Yugoslavia.

But in Bosnia the Muslims committed more atrocities than the Serbs, and in Kosovo the Albanian terrorists committed, and continue to commit, more atrocities than the Serbs.

I still think it's clear that we fought this war on the wrong side.


8 posted on 06/02/2005 9:06:37 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Hoplite
Did this come out during the Tribunal?

Where's the reference, and Milosevic response?

9 posted on 06/02/2005 9:10:39 PM PDT by duckln
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To: Hoplite
I want to see this video, if it actually exists.

Until then, my BS detector is on high alert.

Amazing how the MSM can report something, but the public is never allowed to view the evidence.

So, is there a video that I can watch, or was this another fiction created by the MSM?

10 posted on 06/02/2005 9:10:40 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Cicero
I still think it's clear that we fought this war on the wrong side.

True, though imo we should have just taken a pass on this conflict.

11 posted on 06/02/2005 9:10:49 PM PDT by SJackson (Israel should know if you push people too hard they will explode in your faces, Abed. palestinian)
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To: Cicero
But in Bosnia the Muslims committed more atrocities than the Serbs, and in Kosovo the Albanian terrorists committed, and continue to commit, more atrocities than the Serbs.

Just wrong - the Serbs not only won the civilian bodycount sweepstakes in all their lost wars, but courtesy of their campaign against Croat Catholic churches, they won the title for Church destructions, and debased any subsequent claims as to their being "Christian" victims.

Seriously Cicero, who do you think you're going to fool with your revisionist garbage, other than fools?

12 posted on 06/02/2005 9:12:31 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Some 8,000 Bosnian men and boys were led away to their deaths, survivors telling of how they were lined up and shot in several batches, then buried in mass graves.

Now this should be easy to verify. At this location, 8,000 bodies should be in a mass grave. It should be trivial to exhume the bodies and validate what this article reported.

What were the autopsy reports for these exhumed bodies? If so, can we read these autopsy reports?

13 posted on 06/02/2005 9:16:14 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: SJackson
All we did was win one for the Islamists.
14 posted on 06/02/2005 9:20:41 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: Hoplite

I say this with respect: Serbian Mr. Voinovich better be watching this stuff so he knows how incompetent that so-called organization, the UN, is at solving ANY world problem.

Lets see what R. Holdbrook would have had to say about this. Do I hear crickets?


15 posted on 06/02/2005 9:21:50 PM PDT by USAfearsnobody
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To: Cicero
If two unjust men are fighting, the duty of a just man is not to attack the one who has committed marginally fewer gross injustices, nor to stay out of it, but to smash the power of both parties, and institute actual justice, in the place of either side's crimes. Practically, this may not always be possible. But it is the elementary duty such a situation creates. It is obscene to support defenseless men being shot in the back by mocking and indifferent executioners, on the pretext that relatives of those defenseless men once committed some other crime.
16 posted on 06/02/2005 9:22:09 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Hoplite

Scorpions arrested after video showing

http://www.b92.net/english/news/index.php?&nav_category=12&nav_id=32124&order=priority&style=headlines


17 posted on 06/02/2005 9:22:12 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: endthematrix
All we did was win one for the Islamists.

One they wouldn't have won on their own.

18 posted on 06/02/2005 9:22:13 PM PDT by SJackson (Israel should know if you push people too hard they will explode in your faces, Abed. palestinian)
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To: Hoplite
I simply request factual information and not opinions.

If there are actual autopsy reports, video archives, and other factual sources of information, I would love view this information.

Your statements may be correct, but so far, I have been unable to see any supporting factual evidence. Your help would be most appreciated.

20 posted on 06/02/2005 9:24:35 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Hoplite

Chilling Video Footage Shown of Purported Execution of Srebrenica Muslims By 'Scorpions' Paramilitary Unit - Allegedly Under Serbian MUP Command (CIJ link)

http://cij.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewReport&reportID=685&tribunalID=1


21 posted on 06/02/2005 9:26:34 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: endthematrix
Scorpions arrested after video showing | 13:52 June 02 | B92, RFERL

BELGRADE -- Thursday – According to unofficial information received by B92, two members of the Scorpion paramilitary unit, Aleksandar Medic and Pera Petrasevic, have been taken into custody.

The Serbian government has stated that a number of individuals were arrested after the showing of the video in which the Scorpion unit executes a group of Muslims in Srebrenica, but the government never stated who the individuals were.

In talks with The Hague’s Chief Prosecutor Carla Del Ponte today, Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica said that the Serbian government reacted yesterday, as soon as the footage was shown at Slobodan Milosevic’s Hague war crimes trial.

Del Ponte said that she is pleased with the quick reaction of the Serbian government and called it a “brilliant operation.” She has thanked the government in Belgrade for the swift move and has asked the Serbian government to react in the same way in arresting and extraditing all other Hague fugitives.

Aleksandar Medic is the brother of Slobodan Medic, who was commander of the Scorpion unit, and the third Medic brother, Dragan, has been mentioned in participating in the Podujeva massacre in Kosovo.

22 posted on 06/02/2005 9:26:39 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: endthematrix
Once again, where is the video? Sorry, I have learned not to trust what is reported by the MSM.

However, since this was also reported from Belgrade, I tend to believe that it may be factual.

23 posted on 06/02/2005 9:29:30 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Hoplite

This civil war was not a conflict with one side a good side and one side a bad side, just like Nazis at war with Stalin's communists which were both not favored for a victory by the US. Bosnia's Muslims may have murdered Serbians as well as Serbians murdering Bosnia's Muslims.


24 posted on 06/02/2005 9:33:06 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: Hunble
"Once again, where is the video?"

Ask a few more times, but since it was just used as evidence in court and appears to have not been released, you'll just have to be patient.

25 posted on 06/02/2005 9:36:28 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: hugoball

Didn't Tito go after the people who sided with the Nazis aggresively? If he didn't that would really surprise me, even western countries like Holland and France really went after collaborators.


26 posted on 06/02/2005 9:37:44 PM PDT by FierceKulak
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To: Hunble

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4602949.stm


Video is there.


27 posted on 06/02/2005 9:38:31 PM PDT by Iwentsouth
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To: endthematrix
VIDEO LOCATED!

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/june/ogrish-dot-com-srebrenica_execution_video.wmv

View with extreme caution and the understanding that it is a video of an execution.

Hope you understand why I desire factual information, since the MSM has lost all credibility.

28 posted on 06/02/2005 9:40:00 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Hunble
Now this should be easy to verify. At this location, 8,000 bodies should be in a mass grave. It should be trivial to exhume the bodies and validate what this article reported. What were the autopsy reports for these exhumed bodies? If so, can we read these autopsy reports?

can there still be doubt that these killings occurred? there is video of men being seperated from the women after they were taken from the UN 'safe haven'. those men were not seen again. there are villages that have no men, only women. only widows. thousands of bodies in multiple graves have been exhumed at various times. try google.

4,392 bodies exhumed in Kosovo

It is one of three mass graves containing more than 800 victims that were uncovered in Serbia in 2001. ... the killings, which are thought to have taken place in Kosovo before the bodies were trucked to locations around Serbia.

Bosnia mass grave yields 182 bodies, more expected

More Srebrenica victims found in Bosnia mass grave

The Unfolding Shame of Radovan Karadzic:More Mass Graves Found in Srebrenica-Bratunac Area June 2004

6 May 2003: The guilty plea and statement of Momir Nikolic, former Chief of Intelligence and Security of the Bratunac Brigade, for his participation in the Srebrenica executions in July 1995.


29 posted on 06/02/2005 9:40:06 PM PDT by joemo
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To: A. Pole; Destro; jb6; koba37; sergey1973; twinself; lizol; Lukasz


30 posted on 06/02/2005 9:40:26 PM PDT by anonymoussierra (In te credo, in te credo Deo!!!!!!Confiteor Deo omnipotenti!!!!)
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To: Hunble

I guess the video has aired on Radio TV Serbia (RTS)


31 posted on 06/02/2005 9:40:53 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: endthematrix

My questions have been answered. Thanks for providing the information and understanding why I require facts.


32 posted on 06/02/2005 9:46:26 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Iwentsouth
Video is there.

I didn't see anyone being shot.

33 posted on 06/02/2005 9:46:30 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301
Try my link:

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/june/ogrish-dot-com-srebrenica_execution_video.wmv

Question: Why were all of the men being executed wearing the same blue shirts? Was this some type form of uniform?

34 posted on 06/02/2005 9:51:04 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Hunble
If you're looking to verify the existence of mass graves (primary, secondary, or tertiary), then the transcripts from the trial of Radislav Krstic are what you're looking for - various experts in the forensic field testified as to their work relating to the Srebrenica investigation.

Furthermore, the Bosnian Serbs have been belatedly coughing up documents related to Srebrenica, and the first mass grave located as a result of their cooperation was exhumed in June of 2004.

You know how some folks still deny the holocaust? Yeah, Srebrenica is like that - while most of us wouldn't give folks from the IHR the time of day, few of us are adequately equipped to counter their specious arguments, and so it is with Serb revisionists and Milosevic's wars.

35 posted on 06/02/2005 9:57:54 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hunble

I understand completely.


36 posted on 06/02/2005 9:59:32 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
And why was Milosevic more of a threat to our natl. security than Sadam?

He was no threat at all. But someone had to be picked to make Bill Clinton look tough. Now we have an Al Queda vassal state in the form of Kosovo. Hooray!

37 posted on 06/02/2005 10:00:30 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Hoplite

Who were these Muslims that were executed by that one Serbian military unit? Were they captured terrorists?


38 posted on 06/02/2005 10:01:22 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Cicero
But in Bosnia the Muslims committed more atrocities than the Serbs, and in Kosovo the Albanian terrorists committed, and continue to commit, more atrocities than the Serbs. I still think it's clear that we fought this war on the wrong side.

Don't waste your time. These Bosnia-Bots don't want to hear the facts.

39 posted on 06/02/2005 10:01:45 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Hoplite; Strategerist; misterrob; nuconvert; Cicero; duckln; Hunble; JasonC; endthematrix; Wiz; ...
Not our idea of justice but maybe the jihadis had it coming?

Perhaps in response to a plea to wait, a voice could be heard telling the bound men that "when you were killing Serbs you didn't wait."

40 posted on 06/02/2005 10:02:41 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Spiff; montag813
Not our idea of justice but maybe the jihadis had it coming?

Perhaps in response to a plea to wait, a voice could be heard telling the bound men that "when you were killing Serbs you didn't wait."

41 posted on 06/02/2005 10:03:19 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Hoplite
the Serbs not only won the civilian bodycount sweepstakes

Oh really? So where are all the tens of thousands of bodies?

42 posted on 06/02/2005 10:03:31 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Hoplite
My interest has been with Kosovo.

So far, the documentation with Croatia and Bosnia has been convincing, if not a little one-sided.

Tonight, I wanted verification of this video and I was able to locate and view it myself.

To check that it was not "staged", I used some video editing software and stepped through one sequence frame by frame. Yes, when the gun shots were heard in the audio, holes appeared in the victim's shirt.

I consider this video as factual information.

43 posted on 06/02/2005 10:03:34 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: joemo

How many "victims" were combatants or terrorists? I'm not saying that all of them were, but there is a distinction. How many?


44 posted on 06/02/2005 10:04:06 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Hunble
Now this should be easy to verify. At this location, 8,000 bodies should be in a mass grave.

Ha ha! Do you actually expect the Muslim apologists here and MSM to actually require facts before making genocidal assertions? C'mon...

45 posted on 06/02/2005 10:04:49 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813
Oh really? So where are all the tens of thousands of bodies?

Tens of thousands? I thought I heard the Clinton administration, when they were lying to lead us to war against Serbia, saying that there were hundreds of thousands in mass graves. Did we ever find those?

46 posted on 06/02/2005 10:06:02 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Wiz
This civil war was not a conflict with one side a good side and one side a bad side, just like Nazis at war with Stalin's communists which were both not favored for a victory by the US.

The Croats and Muslims would be the Nazis, without a doubt, as they were allied with Hitler and had SS battalions.

47 posted on 06/02/2005 10:07:45 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Spiff
How many "victims" were combatants or terrorists? I'm not saying that all of them were, but there is a distinction. How many?

That is why I was asking if anyone knows why the men being executed were all wearing the same blue shirts.

Freepers are very smart people. Someone can answer my ignorant questions.

48 posted on 06/02/2005 10:08:43 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Destro

My sentiments, exactly.


49 posted on 06/02/2005 10:09:59 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: Hunble
Question: Why were all of the men being executed wearing the same blue shirts? Was this some type form of uniform?

I'm sure they were all just members of the local Muslim Boy Scout troup. When you are the MSM's scapegoat, everyone you kill is "innocent". When your own people are murdered (as in Kosovo), well then you must PROVOKED the Mooselimbs to RAGE against you, and besides you had it coming, because future World Prez Bill Clinton and Wesley Clark says that Serbs are bad.

50 posted on 06/02/2005 10:15:36 PM PDT by montag813
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