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Wal-Mart Fights Bill Listing Workers on Public Health Care
kare11.com ^ | 6-2-05 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/02/2005 10:06:30 PM PDT by Eternal Sea

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is fighting legislation that would let Minnesotans know how many of its workers are on public health care assistance in this state.

The Bentonville, Arkansas-based retail giant recently sent two executives to St. Paul to lobby against the bill, which the Legislature may vote on in special session this month.

"This is not health care reform," said Nate Hurst, public and government relations manager for Wal-Mart. "This is a campaign against Wal-Mart."

The legislation would create a list of companies whose workers are enrolled in MinnesotaCare and other government health care programs.

Proponents of the bill, whose chief author is Sen. Becky Lourey, DFL-Kerrick, say the public has a right to know which employers are draining the state's public health care system. They say the bill does not target Wal-Mart, but will highlight ways the state can work with companies to improve health care programs.

Last fiscal year, the state spent $270.2 million for MinnesotaCare, which provides assistance for people who don't have access to affordable insurance.

"If it's true what people say, that big multinational companies are outsourcing health care to taxpayers, then it would be good to have a handle on which ones," said Rep. Sheldon Johnson, DFL-St. Paul. "It's just information."

In other states that have compiled such lists, Wal-Mart is at or near the top among employers with workers enrolled in state medical assistance.

The state of Wisconsin reported last week that Wal-Mart employees topped the list of BadgerCare recipients, a health care program for low-income residents.

A bill there would force retailers to reimburse the state for providing the health care needs for their underpaid and underinsured employees. The bill would apply only to stores meeting certain criteria, such as stores that exceed $20 million in sales in a taxable year and allocate less than 10 percent of payroll to employees' health insurance.

Nationwide, 24 states have bills pending that would create lists of employers with large numbers of workers enrolled in public health programs, according to the National Conference of State Legislators.

Labor groups, such as the United Food and Commercial Workers union, worry that other retailers will reduce their health care benefits in order to remain competitive with Wal-Mart. They've used the lists as evidence that Wal-Mart is not providing affordable health care insurance to its employees.

Wal-Mart officials insist such rankings warp its record. As the nation's largest employer, Wal-Mart inevitably will fall at or near the top of most state rankings, the company said.

As of October, Wal-Mart employed 17,329 people in Minnesota.

"We'll be the largest on any list, just because of our size," Hurst said.

The company is also concerned about how the data are collected, Hurst said. If a state compiles a list in December, for instance, the numbers may look abnormally high because Wal-Mart employs a large amount of seasonal employees.

In a May 18 letter to state legislators, Wal-Mart said it helps lift employees off public health care by giving them jobs.

Wal-Mart estimates that 160,000 people have been taken off the list of public health care programs nationwide by accepting jobs at Wal-Mart.

"Please be assured that we do not encourage the use of public assistance, and we do not structure our plans with the idea that there will be a governmental safety net," Wal-Mart said in the letter.

(Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

Last Updated: 6/2/2005 7:33:11 AM


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: govwatch; healthcare; socializedmedicine; subsidies; walmart
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1 posted on 06/02/2005 10:06:31 PM PDT by Eternal Sea
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To: Eternal Sea
Labor groups, such as the United Food and Commercial Workers union, worry that other retailers will reduce their health care benefits in order to remain competitive with Wal-Mart. They've used the lists as evidence that Wal-Mart is not providing affordable health care insurance to its employees.

Uh, I would point out there is no law forcing Wal*Mart, or any other company for that matter, to provide health insurance for it's employees. The health insurance benefit is a perk, pure and simple.

2 posted on 06/02/2005 10:12:20 PM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Eternal Sea

Winn-Dickme is ready to drop its pensions and healthcare for all its retirees. Just like the airlines did. Where's the outrage about that? Winn-Dickme is going under and that's all there is to it.


3 posted on 06/02/2005 10:12:27 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid!)
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To: Eternal Sea
Proponents of the bill, whose chief author is Sen. Becky Lourey, DFL-Kerrick, say the public has a right to know which employers are draining the state's public health care system.

But the public doesn't have a right to know who is accepting the State's largesse? Employers are not 'draining' anything from the State's welfare programs. I'd even hazard a guess they pay taxes to make the largesse possible. Let's see the State publish the name and address of anyone accepting government checks.

4 posted on 06/02/2005 10:12:38 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Eternal Sea

Let Wal-Mart close its stores and THEN count the number of former Wal-Mart employees on welfare.


5 posted on 06/02/2005 10:14:29 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Ron in Acreage
Winn-Dickme is ready to drop its pensions and healthcare for all its retirees. Just like the airlines did. Where's the outrage about that? Winn-Dickme is going under and that's all there is to it.

Anyone who thinks a company will exist into perpetuity and thereby provide benefits to retirees deserves the deal they brokered. I just think it's sad the taxpayer has to pick up the tab for these poor decisions.

6 posted on 06/02/2005 10:14:37 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: upchuck

http://www.local6.com/news/4531441/detail.html

This is what the anti capitalist want.


7 posted on 06/02/2005 10:19:27 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid!)
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To: upchuck

You are right.

Health insurance is something that is a perk. We can buy insurance if we want, or apparently sign up for governmental insurance coverage. It is there to be taken advantage of.

I can't fault people for taking what is made available for such a purpose.


8 posted on 06/02/2005 10:26:40 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Ron in Acreage
Yep. And it's the same thing that's got GM in trouble. In GM's case it serves them right for letting the union walk all over them for so many years.

I'd bet even money that, ultimately, we, the taxpayers, are gonna have to partially bail out these problems.

9 posted on 06/02/2005 10:27:47 PM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: upchuck

The Unionized grocery stores who are trying to compete with WalMart are going out of business because of "healthcare" expenses and other perks the Unions are trying to force employers to pay.

If Unions want to put good companies out of business they should keep up the campaign. WalMart should close their doors and let these people find work elsewhere. Let's see how fast they are invited back for those "low wages" they are paying.

The same people demanding these perks for these workers are the same people who probably make millions from the Unions.


10 posted on 06/02/2005 10:32:59 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: ConservativeMind

Health insurance was a perk in the 1970s. Today it's the difference between getting a serious illness treated and the risk of losing everything.


11 posted on 06/02/2005 10:34:56 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
"Health insurance was a perk in the 1970s. Today it's the difference between getting a serious illness treated and the risk of losing everything. "

It's called insurance for the very reason it is a financial burden when needed. You could get insurance then and today. It is not the employers responsibility.

12 posted on 06/02/2005 10:43:10 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: Graybeard58

Having enjoyed the pleasure and endured the agony of litigating against WalMart for for the mistreatment and oppressive treatment of it employees, I am at liberty to state without equivocation that WalMart is the most dangerous threat to the American economy extant today. It is governed by a gang of self-indugent thieves who have made tons of profit by cheating their employees and lying to the American public. Their false "made in America" program was a gigantic lie and they tried to hide their explotation of asian slave laborers transported to the Marshall Islands and kept in virtual prisons in indentured servitude. And that has been one of their more minor unlawful experiences. Spending money at Walmart is contributing to the demise of middle America's economic strength.


13 posted on 06/02/2005 10:44:18 PM PDT by middie
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To: durasell
That doesn't stop it from being an optional benefit (perk).

You can work extra to buy it if necessary or use the government's insurance as a fall-back.

A car is optional as well, but we don't see it that way. Still, we don't require businesses provide transportation for everyone for "free".

Perhaps if we could see that the vast majority of our health was in our own hands, people such as yourself could feel more comfortable with the insurance situation.

Catastrophic insurance is not that expensive and would prevent "losing everything".

Insurance, I maintain, is purely a perk.
14 posted on 06/02/2005 10:45:23 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: endthematrix

....is it the state's responsibility?

I suspect you'd say no. So, given that, you would opt for a large percentage of the population to have no health insurance. This is a hugely dangerous situation, not only for those who would lose everything because of a major illness, but for the rest of us. There's a lot of nasty bugs flying around out there and I for one would like the guy preparing my salad at the local eatery to see a doctor regularly. Not to mention, I wouldn't like to see a replay of 1918.


15 posted on 06/02/2005 10:47:28 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: kcvl
Wal*Mart just flat does not like unions. I'm sure you remember what happened in the Wal*Mart store in Canada where the union had finally managed to gain a foothold? Wal*Mart closed the store :)
16 posted on 06/02/2005 10:51:33 PM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ConservativeMind
Insurance is going to be THE issue in the next decade. Come October, when the new bankruptcy laws go into effect a lot of people are going to start losing their homes since a disproportionate amount of personal bankruptcies are health related. A lot of folks are going to be screaming like stuck pigs.
17 posted on 06/02/2005 10:54:34 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

Perhaps, but then they should have prepared by staying more healthy all along.

We need to be responsible for ourselves. Catastrophic insurance will stop the problems you describe if only people were willing to give up their HBO.


18 posted on 06/02/2005 10:56:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: durasell
The state has unfortunately designated themselves guarantors of health insurance. They do provide it. The responsibility of insurance is yours. You buy it...from a company. It IS affordable just as any commodity that a family needs. Some family think cable TV or fashionable shoes are necessities, and after those costs they think spending on insurance (and not getting anything tangible) is unaffordable.
19 posted on 06/02/2005 10:57:11 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: ConservativeMind

LOL...glad we are on the same page. (#19)


20 posted on 06/02/2005 10:58:35 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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