Skip to comments.Legislators Pass Bills Requiring Ammo ID - Numbers would be put on new bullets and cartridges.
Posted on 06/03/2005 2:18:30 AM PDT by calcowgirl
SACRAMENTO California lawmakers Thursday voted to require weapons manufacturers to ensure that all bullets and cartridges are branded with distinctive serial numbers.
Contained in two measures that are intended to help law enforcement solve cases, the proposal would be unique among states if approved by the Legislature and signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
The gun industry said the proposals were impractical and would force weapons makers to either write off the huge California market or adopt practices that would greatly increase the cost of their wares.
On the weapons measures, though a number of law enforcement officials backed them, there was strong opposition from Republican lawmakers, manufacturers and gun groups. Opponents said both measures would be useless in tracking most crimes back to their sources, because few criminals obtain their weapons through legal channels.
One of the proposals, from state Atty. Gen. Bill Lockyer and approved in the Senate, 21-14, would require manufacturers, starting in 2007, to stamp bullets sold in California with a identification number that police could trace to the store where the ammunition was sold.
"We can put individualized serial numbers on cartons of yogurt, on almost everything in society, with very little additional cost," said Sen. Joe Dunn (D-Santa Ana), who sponsored the measure, SB 357.
The second measure, which was approved by the Assembly, 41-37, would mandate that all new semiautomatic handguns, starting in 2007, include technology that would stamp a distinguishing serial number onto a cartridge when it is fired. Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood), the sponsor of AB 352, said the markings "won't always lead to the criminal, but it will create leads" for police.
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The entire purpose of this legislation is to harrass gun owners.
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
If this bill passes, We're going to have to demonstrate in mass at the governers office. I bet we'd have a huge turnout. What's next? put a bleeding tatoo on my hand that leaves a serial number on everything i touch?
If this should become law I would like to see the manufacturers just refuse to sell to California.
I want little smiley faces on MY bullets.
I guess criminals will also go out of business if this new law passes. California is trying very hard to rid its state of all legal firearms that way were unable to fight back. I am sure Babs the boxer and Diane Whinestain is all for this bill.
The Second Amendment is being diluted into meaninglessness by prostituting politicians.
A good deal of this legislation is generated by the high gun violence in "minority" communities. The problems there are sociological, not technological, but idiots like Dunn are perfectly willing to give away the Bill of Rights rather than point the finger at the massive illegitimacy rate, the continual production of more and more children without a biparental family and the total abnegation of personal responsibility in those communities.
Lets see if meathead, I mean the Gubernator has the tesicles to veto this. But I doubt evenb he has taken enough steroids to do so.
The system is broken. It can't be fixed. Our Republic is lost.
This is ridiculous. All of the idiotic regulations and requirements make California a very unattractive place to do business. It won't be long before you can't buy a damned thing there.
This is just another example of un-American democrat mischief.Insane, unreasoning, unreasonable, obstructionist, seditious...democrats are killing their own future by waging a war of obstruction against American values.
And include ID's for smoking accessories, such as bongs, lighters, zip locks, snack food the kids may take to school, needles, etc.
yep, other than a gay marrige license.
The implementation of this law will founder upon itself. Damn, these are some logistically stupid lawmakers. Kinda reminds me of the new vehicle code that requires 4x4's to carry chains- even though you are not required to put them on. Just have to have them in your vehicle.
Cartons of yogurt, with very few exceptions, offer a whole lot more space on which to imprint a 9 or 10 digit serial number. Also, these are usually lot numbers for quality control or expiration dates, not devices for tracing individual items.
On a related thread yesderday somebody quipped tongue-in-cheek that the the Kali legislators would probably find a compromise and pass BOTH bills. Funny how the marxists never fail to disappoint us, ain't it?
That is a good idea if they stick to it, but probably someone will provide the ammo or the police will get an exemption from the requirement.
A number tatoo on your arm -- your next stop will be Dachau.
The California legislators, meanwhile, should be forced to wear swastika arm bands.
Reloaders, from what others on FR have posted, will be regulated under this law. Every reloader in the state will have to buy equipment not yet produced to individually stamp each reload.
What this bill does do, is create another black market for mafias and gangs.
Yes, I'd expect an exemption... SOP for politicians & bureaucrats.
"California lawmakers Thursday voted to require weapons manufacturers to ensure that all bullets and cartridges are branded with distinctive serial numbers."
Hmmmmmm.... sounds kinda silly. How many numbers can you fit on a .22 LR bullet?
This seems kinda pointless. If / when the bullet strikes something... wouldn't the number be deformed beyond regognition?
No exceptions for California police agencies, please, let them smuggle ammo like every one else.
They'd probably settle for an eagle and a snake.
They give the cops a waiver and there goes equality before the law right down the drain.
Not that some animals aren't already more equal than others...
Go East; it is time to jettison the land of fruits and nuts.
Interesting to see what he's going to do. I hope it's the right thing.
You're right. Better buy lots of powder now because that's the next item to be banned. Projectiles (bullets) will not be a problem. The Japanese used wooden bullets towards the end of WW2.
Criminals generally work at close range, so accuracy is not a problem. Our nation is controlled by a bunch of idiots. I agree with ZULU that our Republic is lost.
You've got part of it...
This is just another in the list of things to try to get around the pesky second amendment of the constitution. Since even many of the gun banners have concluded that banning guns isn't the way to go (and many dems have discovered that supporting this sort of thing is costing them votes), they want to do anything they can to make guns and ammunition more expensive and harder to acquire.
If you can't ban the guns, then force the manufactures out of business... Tax the hell out of the ammunition... Enact legislation that is so onerous that manufactures will stop selling in their most lucrative markets, costing them $$$, then attack with lawyers, etc...
It would not be that difficult for me to manufacture my own specialized weapons. Actually, one of these days, I should create a unique .22 cal target pistol, just for the learning experience.
In today's America, the government can do anything that it wants. Nobody can do a thing to stop them.
"legislators", let's get rid of these people, vote them out, over & over till there are no more left.they are going to legislate us into oblivion if we don't get our heads out of the sand...
Bingo. The purpose and motivation of this and similar laws is identical to that of Jim Crow and the Neuremburg Laws. The goal is to make the pariah class (Blacks, Jews, and in this case gun owners) understand its place in society. When a law obviously cannot accomplish what is claimed for it, ask yourself what it does accomplish and you will know what the drafters have in mind.
Never, ever believe that the gungrabbers and their allies would not put you in a camp if they could.
CA PLEASE fall off into the Pacific!
On the plus side, million-dollar homes are sliding off the muddy hills in protest...
If this is an example of the "conservative" roots of Kalifornistan, then I'd hate to see what they come up with on the more "socialist" issues.
All individual California oranges should have unique serial numbers to help investigators determine their origin and battle fly infestation.
Ditto for tomatoes, lettuce and all other food products.
If only one child is saved, it will be worth it.
Now we all have to ponder why CA has such huge budget problems with state politicians debating, writing and voting on such legislative nonsense.
This law could be nullified by a federal court because only the national Congress has the power to "regulate" commerce.
Sort of what my first thought was..
Has CA passed a law outlawing reloading, and reloading equipment?
If not, this new law is worthless.. ( or even More Worthless than it already was..)
Works for me.
Seems to me that this will simply increase criminal activity in stolen ammo.....that points to the innocent, but those with deep pockets....
Hacksaw CA off and send it adrift into the Pacific!
Didn't something similar to this at Lexington and Concord cause a lot of trouble?
and they will have a lot of blind sheeple to help advance there cause.
Hmmmm........real genius stuff at work here in the CA legislature....
"every single bullet manufacturer should cease all sales in california, including to police."
I expect that. Barrett won't sell or repair PRK police rifles. It just won't be cost effective to sell into PRK.
If that is true then the Nation Guard would be in violation.
This is sickening! At what point are people going to stand up and say enough is enough!