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AMNESTY [INT'L]: BEIJING MUST FACE UP TO TIANANMEN MASSACRE
AsisNews.it ^ | 3 June 2005 | Editors

Posted on 06/03/2005 4:38:47 AM PDT by Robert Drobot

Beijing (AsiaNews/Agencies) - Amnesty International Friday called on the Chinese government to “release all people imprisoned during the 1989 Tiananmen democracy protests” and “arrest those responsible for the June 4 massacre”.

"Tiananmen clearly remains very much alive today for the Chinese public and the demands by Chinese citizens for justice continue," the international rights group said in a statement.

"We reiterate –said also - our call on the Chinese government to conduct an independent inquiry into the killing of unarmed students and demonstrators. Those found responsible should be tried and brought to justice. We also call on the government to release all those who are still imprisoned in connection with the Tiananmen crackdown and who never received fair trials."

China's communist-led government has taken the position that foreign concerns regarding the crackdown are "outdated", while maintaining that without it China would not have been able to enjoy 16 years of robust economic growth. Officials repeated that position on Thursday.

During 6 weeks troops of the national army backed by tanks, massacred defenceless protesters. The demonstrators had been calling for democracy and an end to corruption for Chinese society in the streets of the Chinese capital. The death toll of the massacre was never released by the government, but independent international organisations say thousands of people were killed around the square, in side streets and in the days following 4 June.

"The on-going passion that surrounds the issue in China is clear from the continuous string of detentions of citizens who seek to post information on the internet regarding the dead or missing from 1989," Amnesty said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: antiusango; arrests; censorship; communists; democracy; internet; justice; massacre; osi; protests; students; tiananmen; unarmed

An unknown man blocked a line of 18 Chinese tanks - as the
tanks swerved, he moved to block them. He then climbed up
onto the tank and addressed the soldiers -
"Why are you here? Our city is in chaos because of you."

Globalist, 'free trade', anti-American, multi-national businesses never saw a congressman they couldn't buy. This was especially true when they bought as many votes as necessary to give the totalitarian Chinese communists 'most favored nation status' that broke the back of American business. Competition was impossible against slave labor.,P. Screw the mass murders of June 4, 1989. Business is business. The 'anything for a buck' capitalism in this particular instance makes this average American want to puke.

Does anybody have a handle on the current trade deficit China is drowning us in so far this year? American dollars flowing to China is paying for the military technology and offensive capability of the greatest threat to America's financial stability and military capability?

Without the foreign purchase of Treasury notes, we could not sustain the billions the federal government is spending.....who cares, right? So what if we're the greatest debtor nation in the world.....a debtor nation absent the textile and manufacturing sectors that provided jobs to Americans in the '50's and '60's?

I recently read where we're outsourcing sub-contracts to other countries for the manufacture of military equipment and clothing, because we no longer have the ability to produce the materials?

Why must the American taxpayer take it in the shorts, because Chinese slave lavbor greatly increases profit for the globalists, while putting the American worker in the street?

Is it in our best interest to trade with a dictatorship that capriciously murders the citizens of China, and increases its potential for world dominance on the backs of Americans who are now forced to buy Chinese products, because that's all there is on the racks and store shelves?

Shut down our trade with China; until that government releases every political prisoner who took part in the pro-democracy rally in Tiananmen Square, June 4, 1989!!!

1 posted on 06/03/2005 4:38:48 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Robert Drobot

Of course you notice that Amnesia International can't quite bring themselves to compare the massacre of thousands to the Soviet Gulag, even though China is one of a handful of nations today with an actual Gulag.


2 posted on 06/03/2005 4:45:00 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Robert Drobot
Amnesty International cannot mess with China, they'd get bitch-slapped all over the place, at the very least.  They can only make demands on a civilized nation for answers on Gitmo.

Just another useless european agency.

3 posted on 06/03/2005 4:46:07 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Robert Drobot

WHY are they digging this up 16 years later????


A: Desperately trying to look unbias....


4 posted on 06/03/2005 4:47:35 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: softwarecreator
In the instant case we are focused on the atrocities of a threatening foreign power. Percentages will tell you AI will get it right from time to time. This time they're on target.
5 posted on 06/03/2005 4:51:20 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Robert Drobot

1989?? A little late. Those people have been locked up for 16 years. The only reason this leftist organization is going after China is that they are moving away from communism. China is a big problem but don't expect any help from AI.


6 posted on 06/03/2005 4:52:11 AM PDT by marylandrepub1 (They are not justices, they are Kings who think they are Gods!)
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To: Numbers Guy
What do you think of the use of slave labor? How does the use of slave labor effect American business?
7 posted on 06/03/2005 4:53:53 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: softwarecreator
Does China deserve a 'most favored nation' status? Are American consumers being forced to support the advanced technology and capability of the Chinese military?
8 posted on 06/03/2005 4:56:29 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: marylandrepub1
What's your view on the loss of the manufacturing and textile sectors in America? What's your opinion on the trade imbalance between America and China?
9 posted on 06/03/2005 4:58:56 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Numbers Guy
(Forced Labor Camps on Line Exhibition)
10 posted on 06/03/2005 5:01:18 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Numbers Guy
Of course you notice that Amnesia International can't quite bring themselves to compare the massacre of thousands to the Soviet Gulag, even though China is one of a handful of nations today with an actual Gulag.

This was Amnesty International Friday on China. Amnesty International Wednesday called Guantanamo Bay "the gulag of our time". I'm having a real problem with Amnesty International Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday because they can't maintain a 24 hour position. I think they have to include AM and PM in their various names.

11 posted on 06/03/2005 5:06:30 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: marylandrepub1
"....China is....moving away from communism...."

Tell that to the citizens of Taiwan, and the Christians in China who are regularly subjected to beatings, arrest, torture and death. Finally, tell the citizens of Tibet how China is "....moving away from communism...."

Did you know the atheist communists are permitting a kind of catholic church to be active. The catch? The priests must swear allegiance to the government, and refuse to recognize the pope.....and the government picks the bishops.

"....Moving away from communism...." Right.

China is dependent upon the American consumer. Wrong.

The American consumer is dependent upon communism to supply its materials - from building materials to the shoes, stockings and underclothing Americans wear.

America refuses to recognize its pre-WWII failures. Our shipment of raw materials to Japan made it possible for them to make their attempt to dominate the Pacific.

Today there is a great likelyhood we are making it possible for China to succeed America as the dominating world force. There is no way in hell China is dumping its communist dictatorship in favor of a democracy.

Remember the Tiananmen Massacre!!!

12 posted on 06/03/2005 5:20:10 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Robert Drobot
We reiterate –said also - our call on the Chinese government to conduct an independent inquiry into the killing of unarmed students and demonstrators. Those found responsible should be tried and brought to justice.

Sure, the Chinese government is real likely to bring itself to justice...

13 posted on 06/03/2005 5:23:31 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Robert Drobot

Amnesty International takes a break from whining 24/7 about whether or not the coffee is hot enough at Gitmo to note the anniversary of the Chinese "action" at Tianamen.


14 posted on 06/03/2005 5:43:04 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Robert Drobot

Why can't we buy stuff from Central America and East Europe?


15 posted on 06/03/2005 5:43:56 AM PDT by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: Robert Drobot
BEIJING MUST FACE UP TO TIANANMEN MASSACRE

Oh yea, that'll happen.

Sure.

16 posted on 06/03/2005 6:17:45 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Robert Drobot

Ai is doing damage control after their political contributions were exposed. Did you see the puff piece by Ted Krap-hole on nightline last nite?


17 posted on 06/03/2005 6:32:50 AM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (60% of Saudis, 58%of Iraqis, 55%of Kuwaitis,50% of Jordanians married 1st or 2nd cousins. LOL!!!)
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To: Robert Drobot; marylandrepub1
"....China is....moving away from communism...." Tell that to the citizens of Taiwan, and the Christians in China who are regularly subjected to beatings, arrest, torture and death. Finally, tell the citizens of Tibet how China is "....moving away from communism...."

Your examples notwithstanding, China is in fact moving away from communism.

The fact that they've moved from ideological communism to plain ol' authoritarianism (with the accompanying outrages like the ones you listed) makes it easy to think that nothing has changed.

It may take a generation or two to see results in the direction of genuine freedom (when the revolutionary generation is long gone), but the momentum is definitely in that direction. A lot depends on the younger generation keeping the momentum going.

What they have now is very bad ...it's just not communism.

18 posted on 06/03/2005 7:24:46 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Exactly. In the days of Mao it was not enough to stay quiet. You had to publicly praise Mao and 'peasant communism' even while you were starving or your parents were being attacked. Now they may have no rights(they have a constitution, but 1 branch of government) , and can go to jail for complaining too much; but they are not brainwashed to the extent as was done in the 50s and 60s.

They still have some remains of Communism, lots of worthless government jobs that have to be paid for by the private economy.


19 posted on 06/03/2005 7:43:43 AM PDT by marylandrepub1 (They are not justices, they are Kings who think they are Gods!)
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To: Robert Drobot
"Does China deserve a 'most favored nation' status?"

China deserves 'axis of evil' status along with Russia and Saudia Arabia.
22 posted on 06/03/2005 11:45:13 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: NJ_gent
Read the other day the car bombings in Iraq are being done by nuts from Saudia Arabia. They are getting a pass. Bush needs to answer for this. They also got a pass on 9/11. Fifteen of the nineteen nuts were also Saudi citizens. Saudi oil money is financing terrorist actions everywhere. But Bush isn't going after them. Why, Mr. Bush!!!
23 posted on 06/03/2005 1:16:49 PM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: A_Conservative_Chinese

You hit the nail on the head. They are a pure and simple pro-Demorat group with nothing but seething hatred for America and its freedom loving principles. They are a totally discredited organization. Comparing our actions at Gitmo to the millions that died in forced labor camps in the Siberian Soviet Gulag is sick, sick, sick. They make me vomit.


24 posted on 06/03/2005 1:33:39 PM PDT by daviscupper
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To: Robert Drobot
"Read the other day the car bombings in Iraq are being done by nuts from Saudia Arabia. They are getting a pass. Bush needs to answer for this. They also got a pass on 9/11. Fifteen of the nineteen nuts were also Saudi citizens. Saudi oil money is financing terrorist actions everywhere. But Bush isn't going after them. Why, Mr. Bush!!!"

Despite his many shortcomings, he's still our President. It always bothers me whenever someone uses 'Mr' to refer to a President, especially a sitting President (yes, even Clinton). I do agree with you, however, that this utter failure to deal with the Saudis is a major problem which will haunt us for years to come. North Korea is another problem President Bush appears to be trying to buy time with until he can be done with his second term. After all, if all Hell doesn't break loose until after you're out of office, less people blame you for the failures leading up to the situation. I had little faith in this President after his support of the PATIOT ACT, and my opinion of him has gone steadily since that time. Between the failure with spending, to the failure to reduce the over-reaching Federal government control of education, to the continuation of welfare programs like Socialist Security and the expansion of Medicare, to the utter failure to control the southern border, to the outright pandering to illegal aliens, to the pandering to our enemies in China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia, to the failure to help protect American jobs, to the over-extension of the US military, to the failure to reign in the abuse of the US military with respect to hopeless NATO commitments, to the abuse of NASA for political purposes, to the expansion of Federal power at the expense of States' Constitutional rights, and on and on and on. All the while, he's had in his favor that he's been great in the WoT. Well, he seemed to be doing well, but the continued failure to address the underlying problems (Saudi Arabia, for one) has left us with little to look forward to. While we've been kicking around sand in Iraq, Russia, China, and North Korea have been conspiring to arm Iran with nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. This, while the US hands out aid to Russia and gives 'Most favored' status to China for economic trade.

In other words, we're handing cash to people who are arming our enemies with nuclear weapons. Fantastic approach to foreign policy. I tend to wonder what happened with that whole 'you're either with us or you're against us' thing. Apparently, you can continue getting cash from the wallet of the American people while continuously stabbing them in the back. That appears to be ok, so long as you're big.
25 posted on 06/03/2005 6:12:38 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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