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Women Don't Belong In Ground Combat
Eagle Forum ^ | June 1, 2005 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 06/03/2005 4:29:05 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Why are our generals trying to push women into ground combat in Iraq despite Pentagon regulations and congressional law against it? What is it about civilian control of the military that the generals don't understand?

Current Department of Defense regulations exclude women from ground combat, as well as from assignment to forward support units that "collocate [i.e., are embedded side by side] with units assigned a direct ground combat mission." Federal law requires that Congress be given 30 legislative days' advance notice of any change to this policy.

Army Secretary Francis Harvey has been skirting (pardon the word) this policy by unilaterally rewording it to assign women to forward- support units except when "CONDUCTING an assigned direct ground combat mission." (emphasis added) When a ground-combat unit actually engages the enemy, the women (who are slated to be roughly 10 percent of the forward-support companies) will have to be evacuated from the battlefield.

How many ground and air vehicles, and how many extra men, will this ridiculous plan require? Will the enemy hold his fire until the evacuation is complete?

Frustrated by the Army's devious behavior, Reps. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) and John McHugh (R-NY) tried to add an amendment to the military appropriations bill to codify the current DoD regulations which the Army seems to have difficulty understanding. The feminists are lining up their media allies to demand that women be forced into land combat situations, while falsely asserting that Hunter-McHugh is "changing" the rule.

Much of the demand for women in combat comes from female officers who are eager for medals and promotions. Enlisted women are acutely aware of the heavy lifting that must be done by the combat infantry.

The Army's own opinion surveys prior to 2001 consistently reported that 85 to 90 percent of enlisted women oppose "being assigned to combat units on the same basis as men." Women enlistees have a right to expect the Army to obey current policy and law.

The advocates of women in combat say the front line is everywhere in Iraq. They continually try to fuzzy over the difference between being subject to risk (such as being ambushed by a car bomb) versus the task of aggressively seeking out and killing the enemy.

Army Chief of Staff General Peter J. Schoomaker tried to laugh off the difference by saying that "maybe since we're killing 40,000 people a year on the highways, they [women] shouldn't drive. That's very dangerous, too." Comparing the risk of highway driving with engaging the enemy in combat is insulting to our intelligence and common sense.

Putting women in military combat is the cutting edge of the feminist goal to force us into an androgynous society. Feminists are determined to impose what Gloria Steinem called "liberation biology" that pretends all male-female differences are culturally imposed by a discriminatory patriarchy.

History offers no evidence for the proposition that the assignment of women to military combat jobs is the way to win wars, improve combat readiness, or promote national security.

Women, on the average, have only 60 percent of the physical strength of men, are about six inches shorter, and survive basic training only by the subterfuge of being graded on effort rather than on performance. These facts, self-evident to anyone who watches professional or Olympic sports competitions, are only some of the many sex differences confirmed by scholarly studies.

Denial of physical differences is an illusion that kills. That's the lesson of the Atlanta courtroom massacre where a 5-foot-one, 51-year-old grandmother police guard was overpowered by a 6-foot-tall, 210-pound former football linebacker criminal; so now three people are dead.

Every country that has experimented with women in actual combat has abandoned the idea, and the notion that Israel uses women in combat is a feminist myth. The armies and navies of every potential enemy are exclusively male; their combat readiness is not diminished by coed complications or social experimentation.

The 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces voted to maintain the exemption of women from assignment to combat in ground troops, combat aviation, amphibious ships and submarines. But already 33 servicewomen including mothers have been killed and 270 wounded in the war in Iraq.

The Army is wondering why it can't meet its recruitment goals. It could be that the current 15 percent female quota is a turn-off to men who don't want to fight alongside of women who can't carry a man off the battlefield if he is wounded. Forcing women in or near land combat will hurt recruiting, not help.

No country in history ever sent mothers of toddlers off to fight enemy soldiers until the United States did this in the Iraq war. We hope this won't be the legacy of the Bush Administration.


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KEYWORDS: dod; militarywomen; schlafly; usmilitary; womenincombat
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To: Klatuu

"Imagine two young soldiers, one male and one female, sharing a foxhole..."

That's YOUR fantasy, FRiend. In the Real World, it's not like that. Those guys are your Brothers; not your Lovers. Yeesh.

And your DD214 lists your military combat experience as...?


21 posted on 06/03/2005 6:19:35 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: nicko

"...must be something in the water up there...thanks for your service."

It's not the water, it's the milk, LOL! Builds strong bones and healthy bodies; and the fact that we Farm Gals are expected to WORK from the day we can WALK. ;)

Everything I've done since my 20 years in the military (I joined at 17) has been a Cake Walk. All of my female ex-military friends agree. The Real World is a Holiday compared to the time we spent (willingly, passionately, patriotically) in the military. ;)

It's been basically all 'down hill coasting' from there, LOL!


22 posted on 06/03/2005 6:28:03 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
[Debunking myths about] Women in Combat
Online Articles (much information against feminist myths and about anti-family, anti-defense feminazi activities)
23 posted on 06/03/2005 6:28:40 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: CO Gal

AMEN!


24 posted on 06/03/2005 6:30:36 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (My my, your pet pig sure has alot of lipstick on mister demonRAT.)
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To: Klatuu

You are correct. REMFs do it with their women like rabbits. Way too many of them are getting pregnant and expensive. Everyone knows it, but the Pentagon chicks continue to refuse to collect and issue numbers on that.

Women who serve outside of combat specialties are extremely valuable to our USA and always have been. But feminism does not work in combat specialties. To lose a war for such idiocy is "unthinkable" (doctrine from combat leadership training).


25 posted on 06/03/2005 6:37:01 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I personally rail against a female in ANY job where the standards of performance have to be lowered in order for her to obtain that job. I don't want someone who is visually impaired to fly an airplane, I don't want someone who is intellectually inferior obtaining admission into a medical school, and I don't want someone compromising our military because it makes the feminist happy.


26 posted on 06/03/2005 8:01:42 PM PDT by CO Gal (Liberals should be seen, but not heard..)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Despite 225 years of witnessing the horror of wars fought by male American soldiers, there are still a number of idiots – mostly feminists who themselves will never have to face an armed enemy soldier – pushing lawmakers to drop a ban against allowing women in combat.

We should keep in mind that those pushing for women and homosexuals in the military, and women in combat, are the ones who wish us ill. Their desire is to weaken us in anyway they can. All too often even when they force through their malevolent ideas they turn out to be disappointed in the results. Americans of all stripes are very adept at turning lemons into lemonade and the liberals into pouters.

27 posted on 06/03/2005 8:17:35 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Lord Nelson
Good evening.
"If a woman can pull her weight all the power to her."

I think our technology has made it inevitable that women will serve in combat roles. I still think humping a rucksack isn't likely, but there is no reason a woman can't operate aircraft and other vehicles that put them in harms way.

I flatly did not believe women had a place on the battlefield until the WOT. Now, with some reservations, I can't see a battlefield without them.

Michael Frazier
28 posted on 06/03/2005 8:18:26 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
I respectfully disagree. I believe men (especially American men) will put themselves or their unit in extraordinary danger in order to save a female. I believe it would damage a soldiers (male)psyche much more to witness a female being tortured/raped/killed then it would be for him to witness a fellow male in the same predicament. I DO NOT think the military should be the place where we play gender games.
29 posted on 06/03/2005 8:52:21 PM PDT by CO Gal (Liberals should be seen, but not heard..)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Why do we not, as a general practice, commence regular beating of women here at home in order to properly toughen them up for combat duty? And the children---well lets just strip them of their mothers right now--get them off to some kind of immediate rotating foster care so they can prepare for the day when "combat mommy" does not return. Are we not a better people than to allow this to be done to children in our name?

If you want to see recruiting plummet, intermix these social promotion graduates in with the land combat force. Many soldiers, including my own would then understand that we clearly do not want the best force, but rather the kowed general career ladder climber Pentagon pc player composite real killing machine.

Females do belong in the military in every role they can realistically qualify. Some can bench press 300--and out chuck a backhoe--those with no children we can talk about. As a rule--just say no.


30 posted on 06/03/2005 9:03:49 PM PDT by petertare (!)
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To: CO Gal
Good evening.

I'm of the opinion that a soldier is a soldier no matter the plumbing. There are roles in the military that women's bodies are just not designed to fill but, other than that I don't care if the gunship pilot who gets the bad guys off my back is female and I wouldn't try any harder to rescue her if she went down than I would if she were a he.

I believe most troopers will come to view it that way if they don't already. There is something special about the military today, something brought into being by the WOT, and nothing is going to be the same.

Michael Frazier
31 posted on 06/03/2005 9:18:02 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
Hello back,

I do agree with you that the WOT changed ALL Americans, uniting us against a common enemy, but I still believe that the male/female dynamics could severelly compromise our troops. From what I understand about the military conflict in the Middle East is that there is A LOT of down time. If I'm a young, single person with nothing to do, then I'm going to smile, wink, flirt, fraternize with the opposite sex. Even if I have no intention on following through with my flirtation (& c'mon there are a lot of women who get pregnant in the military) I am in a sense playing mind games with my male counterparts. To me, it's an unnecessary game to play.
32 posted on 06/03/2005 9:38:17 PM PDT by CO Gal (Liberals should be seen, but not heard..)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
And your DD214 lists your military combat experience as...?

11B40 ... 2 tours in RVN, 1970 - 1972.
The scenario described nearly occurred in my platoon one night. Although instead of male and female soldiers, we had two homosexuals who couldn't keep their hands off each other. Fortunately, it was our platoon sergeant who caught them in their moment of lustful indiscretion and not Charlie.
I have the greatest respect for our men and women in uniform. But life in the combat zone isn't always exciting. There are periods when nothing is going on and boredom sets in. If you think that sexual activity between men and women in a combat zone doesn't have potentially serious consequences, you have your head in the sand.

33 posted on 06/04/2005 4:08:37 AM PDT by Klatuu
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

I take personal offense to that statement as I support women both being in the military and, provided the policy of gender norming physical assesments is rescinded for combat roles, women in combat roles.
Your statement asserts that I wish to weaken my nation and its military. In short you have called me a traitor. Would you like to repeat that assertion, or would you like to use less sweeping statements next time?


34 posted on 06/04/2005 4:30:35 AM PDT by Bluchers Elephant
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

"free healthcare"

Lost me here....


35 posted on 06/04/2005 4:32:38 AM PDT by dakine
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The title of this article is correct !


36 posted on 06/04/2005 4:34:43 AM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Klatuu

Good reply...


37 posted on 06/04/2005 4:35:46 AM PDT by dakine
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To: Klatuu

Well, if you saw it, or were involved in it yourself, then I certainly can't dispute that it was your experience. It wasn't mine.


38 posted on 06/04/2005 4:55:11 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: dakine

The military covers your medical care while you're on duty. I consider that "free healthcare."


39 posted on 06/04/2005 4:56:18 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: gedeon3

Thank God we won't hear from you again! My question to you is quite simple: what is YOUR military experience?


40 posted on 06/04/2005 5:02:35 AM PDT by Quinotto (On matters of style,swim with the current,on matters of principle stand like a rock-Thomas Jefferson)
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