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CNN: Detainees, Not Soldiers, Flushed Quran
CNN ^ | Saturday, June 4, 2005

Posted on 06/03/2005 11:15:54 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

A U.S. military investigation into the mishandling of the Muslim holy book at the Guantanamo Bay prison for suspected terrorists has determined that detainees -- not U.S. soldiers -- attempted to flush the Quran down the toilet there.

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In one incident, on February 23, 2004, the report said a guard saw a "detainee place two Qurans in his toilet and state he no longer cared about the Quran or his religion.

Five minutes later, after the detainee retrieved the Qurans, he ripped several pages out of one Quran and threw the pages on the floor. Then, he placed both Qurans on the sink."

Another time, on January 19, 2005, a detainee "tore up his Quran and tried to flush it down the toilet. Four guards witnessed the incident," the report said.

The report also cited 12 other incidents by detainees, including one who used his Quran as a pillow, another who urinated on his holy book and several who ripped pages from the Quran.

Capt. Jeff Weir, an Army spokesman at the facility, told CNN in a phone interview that the detainees were typically trying to stage some form of protest when they mishandled the Quran.

Hood said investigators reviewed more than 30,000 documents in an exhaustive probe.

"The inquiry found no credible evidence that a member of the Joint Task Force at Guantanamo Bay ever flushed a Quran down a toilet. This matter is considered closed," the report said.

It said the U.S. military has issued more than 1,600 copies of the Quran since January 2002, conducted more than 28,000 interrogations and carried out thousands of "cell moves."

"Mishandling a Quran at Guantanamo Bay is a rare occurrence," Hood said. "Mishandling of a Quran here is never condoned."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: detainees; gitmo; islam; islamofascism; islamokazis; koran; korandesecration; koranimals; quran; religionofpeace; rop; terrorism; thereligionofpeace; trop; usmilitary; waronterror
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1 posted on 06/03/2005 11:15:54 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

Did I miss something? Has hell frozen? Are pigs flying? CNN is reproting this??? WTF???


2 posted on 06/03/2005 11:19:48 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Life's a beach - and Liberals are like the sand that gets in your swimsuit...)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Yep. It's even on their front page.


3 posted on 06/03/2005 11:21:44 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

This whole this is just making the koran seem special.

Lets not focus that it's just a crummy idealogical book.

If we make go on and on about how he never would touch a koran, it just makes the 9/11 types more emboldened.

If we make it clear we don't give a damn about the koran, they'll still hate us, but it'll adjust them to knowing so now.


4 posted on 06/03/2005 11:22:19 PM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: West Coast Conservative

Even if this is reported in CNN (which is shocking in itself) it's certain to not hit publication in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.


5 posted on 06/03/2005 11:22:33 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: West Coast Conservative

It would not surprise me at all if the Islamofascists are the ones desecrating their own "holy book" in order to *attempt* to make our military men and women into villains.


6 posted on 06/03/2005 11:22:58 PM PDT by k2blader ("A kingdom of conscience ... That is what lies at the end of Crusade.")
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To: k2blader

According to their holy book that tactic is certainly permissible.


7 posted on 06/03/2005 11:24:53 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: Keith in Iowa

LOL! BTTT


8 posted on 06/03/2005 11:25:04 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: West Coast Conservative

No! Say it ain't so!


9 posted on 06/03/2005 11:26:39 PM PDT by Petronski (How do you solve a problem like Petronski?)
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To: Keith in Iowa



I think the US government had better investigate that AP story that came out earlier which was completely bogus.
It's obvious AP is purposely trying to fuel Islamic uprisings.


10 posted on 06/03/2005 11:26:49 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Keith in Iowa

They're just trying to keep their one remaining viewer from fleeing to Fox News.


11 posted on 06/03/2005 11:27:03 PM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: noiseman

Another thing I find strange is WHY we are passing out korans to detainees. It's that book of hate which causes the worlds problems in the first place.


12 posted on 06/03/2005 11:30:18 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Don't worry, the AP already have an excuse and it will be something to the effect:
We are sorry, we have fired the editor, he overlooked the fact the "soldiers" should have been "prisoners" in our original publishing, we stand by our sources.


13 posted on 06/03/2005 11:31:52 PM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Will there be a jihad or fatwa declared on the detainee?


14 posted on 06/03/2005 11:33:32 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: LAURENTIJ
Wow, LAURENTIJ, talk about damned if you do damned if you don't.

Not that I'm a staunch defender of the MSM, but when they were saying U.S. personnel in Gitmo were desecrating the Koran they were attacked (and rightly so) for using unsubstantiated rumor to smear the administration.

Now they are saying U.S. personnel didn't desecrate that book and somehow you equate that to mean they want us to worship the dang thing.

15 posted on 06/03/2005 11:36:11 PM PDT by Antonello
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To: West Coast Conservative

Now there's a story I can believe, it's true because it's so simple and confirms what I know about human beings; these idiots have been in Gitmo long enough to realize that everything the the clerics told them about Christians and Jews and their 'divine, sinless' prophet is a load of codswallop - no one has cut off their heads, their arms or their legs, they haven't been put through shredders, good heavens, the Pentagon even issued a three-page Memo instructing the guards to wear white gloves when handling that terror manual that tells the 'good' muslim to kill infidels (that's you and me, in case you are wondering or don't think you qualify for infidel-hood) and hey, he's been there for (how long?) and all he's had is a clean bed, good food, showers, medical and dental treatment - what would you do if you were him, hey?

You'd stuff that stupid book down the toilet!

Jihadi, listen up now; the boys at Gitmo are trying to tell you something. That there koran, it ain't holy, it's full of shite and lies, pull the chain, push the button and lets give it up! IF YOU STAY IN GITMO LONG ENOUGH YOU'LL GIVE UP ISLAM 'COS GITMO'S MORE FUN THAN ISLAM IS!

And that's the simple truth of it.


16 posted on 06/03/2005 11:38:20 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: Antonello

When you see what the koran is for. Your death and mine. You gotta wonder how it's a bad thing to desecrate it.


17 posted on 06/03/2005 11:39:58 PM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: Nathan Zachary
Another thing I find strange is WHY we are passing out korans to detainees. It's that book of hate which causes the worlds problems in the first place.

For the same reason we would hand out bibles to any Christian detainees: we recognize free worship to be a basic human right.

18 posted on 06/03/2005 11:40:03 PM PDT by Antonello
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To: Antonello

The koran is an idealogical system same as communism or mein kampf.

Very, very similar. The end results are the same.


19 posted on 06/03/2005 11:41:06 PM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: West Coast Conservative

Its all Bush's fault...
Its all Bush's fault...
Its all Bush's fault...
Its all Bush's fault...
Its all Bush's fault...


20 posted on 06/03/2005 11:41:32 PM PDT by dinok
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To: West Coast Conservative
"Mishandling a Quran at Guantanamo Bay is a rare occurrence," Hood said. "Mishandling of a Quran here is never condoned."

Something really bothers me about this. They seem to imply that there is some kind of appropriate way to handle the Quran and that in itself is promoting the book. This is the same US Government that promotes the crucifix in urine as art, they shouldn't be promoting Islam this way because of the whole separation of church and state that I've heard so much about.

21 posted on 06/03/2005 11:42:03 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Jim_Curtis

Yes, the koran is apparently subject to 'appropriate' handling. Unlike every other documented book.

We apparently lost the battle of 9/11, and the entire war.


22 posted on 06/03/2005 11:45:04 PM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: CHARLITE; tiamat; LogicalMs

ping


23 posted on 06/03/2005 11:50:02 PM PDT by King Prout (RG'OIHGV 08 YAEGRKoirliha35u9p089 y5gep'iojq5g353hat5eohiahetb98 ye5po)
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To: LAURENTIJ
When you see what the koran is for. Your death and mine. You gotta wonder how it's a bad thing to desecrate it.

I see it as what it is. A book of words. To be sure, those words were meant to subvert an entire culture of people to the whims of a madman, but just a book nonetheless.

Its only symbolism comes from within the one viewing it. I have no reason to desecrate it because it means nothing to me. Those who believe its hatred and lies will do so whether I take out my frustrations on a pile of paper or not.

You say we got to wonder if it is a bad thing to desecrate it. In my opinion, no. But neither is it a good thing. Your viewpoint may be totally different, but that is due to your internal response to the act. It is you, not the book, that gives power to its symbolism.

24 posted on 06/03/2005 11:51:50 PM PDT by Antonello
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To: West Coast Conservative

I'm surprised the Greenpeace crowd aren't getting into this. Flushing something made from a tree--now THAT might get them to speak out against the terrorists.


25 posted on 06/03/2005 11:53:03 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Antonello

I'd desecrate a copy of the communist manifesto with less gusto than the koran.


26 posted on 06/03/2005 11:54:36 PM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: West Coast Conservative

To show proper "solidarity" with the Peace Loving Islamanazis....

We should immediately shoot the Gitmo "detainee" for his act of defiling the Koran...

As a matter of fact -- in order to PROVE our horror that we allowed this act to occur in our prison -- we should shoot every damned detainee in Gitmo... IMMEDIATLY.

Perhaps then, the followers of Islam will know we respect their "culture"...

</ sarcasm> for you folks in Rio Linda.

Semper Fi


27 posted on 06/03/2005 11:58:15 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Good for CNN (hell must have frozen over), but IT'S IN THE AL QUAIDA TRAINING MANUAL for Pete's sake.
29 posted on 06/04/2005 12:00:45 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: river rat
I like the way you think.

L

30 posted on 06/04/2005 12:01:49 AM PDT by Lurker (Remember the Beirut Bombing; 243 dead Marines. The House of Assad and Hezbollah did it..)
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To: Maraya1969

I snipped out the parts that had nothing to do with the title and which were already reported in the AP article earlier, so it would be under 300 words.

And why would I include a paragraph from an entirely different source?


31 posted on 06/04/2005 12:04:38 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: LAURENTIJ
The koran is an idealogical system same as communism or mein kampf.

And I put forth that it is that idealogical system, and not the printed media in which it is contained, that is the true source of discontent. Does the act of burning a book unlearn the thoughts that created it? Would Hitler somehow not have risen to power had he simply issued his ideology through speeches and propaganda, and never bound it into Mein Kampf?

Explain to me how the hypothetical act of flushing a Koran down the toilet would make the world safer.

32 posted on 06/04/2005 12:05:33 AM PDT by Antonello
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To: Maraya1969

In the grand scheme of things, our few 'desecrations' against their continuing obscene acts of inhumanity, we look good. We allow ourselves to be rolled. A few Qu'Rans getting wet doesn't stand up against hundreds of Bibles confiscated and countless preachers arrested in Saudi Arabia. Tired of seeing us cave in the face of the onslaught.


33 posted on 06/04/2005 12:06:54 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: Antonello

Flushing a koran makes the world safer in that it exposes the absolute insanity of the followers that they get so worked up over it being flushed.

I get worked up over the Twin Towers being destroyed. People throwing themselves from it by the hundreds, many hundreds inside burning alive. islam's destroyed many thousands of lives in the modern times. Go to ogrish for extreme videos of it.

To desecrate and destroy the idealogy and book that perverts humanity in the way that islam does is a virtue.


34 posted on 06/04/2005 12:08:49 AM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: West Coast Conservative

"In one incident, on February 23, 2004, the report said a guard saw a "detainee place two Qurans in his toilet and state he no longer cared about the Quran or his religion."

Strong evidence that a restful stay at tropical GITMO can restore one's mental faculties, to rational thinking.


36 posted on 06/04/2005 12:11:29 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Maraya1969

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/april/ogrish-dot-com-helicopter_downed2.wmv

That's islam. So is 9/11.


37 posted on 06/04/2005 12:12:46 AM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: West Coast Conservative
The point is, after the lead-in, the article begins:

"However, the report did find four confirmed incidents in which U.S. personnel at the base mishandled the Quran ..."

and then continues for 5 paragraphs about that before getting to the part about the "detainees."

38 posted on 06/04/2005 12:14:24 AM PDT by zeebee
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To: Maraya1969

"There are plenty of instances in recent(Salem Witch Trials?) and old history where the Christian Bible was used to justify murder and war. It is still a Holy book just as the Koran is a Holy book"

There it is people. islamic apologism in full form.


39 posted on 06/04/2005 12:14:25 AM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: ArmyTeach

Republicans don't even know how to run a gulag right. :)


40 posted on 06/04/2005 12:14:46 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Antonello

OTOH, if the Koran that we provide for our prisoners is turned around and being used for agitprop aginst us, why should we stand still for that? Why should we continue to provide Korans? Just a thought to ponder.


41 posted on 06/04/2005 12:15:41 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: ArmyTeach

Antonello is either an islamic apologist or a troll. Nobody can believe that the allahu akbar murder cult is the same as other religions.. Especially if they view the videos that I've provided.


42 posted on 06/04/2005 12:18:02 AM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: LAURENTIJ

Ditto that.


43 posted on 06/04/2005 12:18:51 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45

The washington post also picked up the AP story, as did most others. You can be this version will not be.


44 posted on 06/04/2005 12:19:10 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: highlander_UW
Even if this is reported in CNN (which is shocking in itself) it's certain to not hit publication in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

Actually, I think it will be reported throughout the Islam world, and will probably cause even more of an uproar that the last report, being viewed as false accusations.

45 posted on 06/04/2005 12:19:39 AM PDT by rkhampton
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To: LAURENTIJ
To desecrate and destroy the idealogy and book that perverts humanity in the way that islam does is a virtue.

So if we destroy enough Korans, Islam will cease to exist? How many would it take, exactly? Does it count if they were printed specifically to be destroyed, or do they have to be taken from someone who already believes in it? And if they already believe it, will destroying their book make them stop believing?

Desecration serves two purposes: to incite a reaction from those who hold the desecrated item dear, and to give a warm, fuzzy feeling of power to the conquerer of the inanimate object. I see no long term gain from either of these. You obviously feel differently, since you seem to think no one had a clue about the 'absolute insanity' of the followers until they reacted to a story about the Koran getting flushed.

46 posted on 06/04/2005 12:20:13 AM PDT by Antonello
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To: Antonello

The problem is the allah akbar system itself for global domination.. Shinto Japan had it too.


47 posted on 06/04/2005 12:21:14 AM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: Fred Nerks

Never thought of it like that. Interesting theory.


48 posted on 06/04/2005 12:23:29 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic (The Liberals have fallen back to the Left. FOOLS! Their Hillary can do NOTHING for them now.)
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To: Antonello
" For the same reason we would hand out bibles to any Christian detainees: we recognize free worship to be a basic human right."

We recognize freedom of religion. Islam is Not a religion, it's a blood cult, a war manual and idiology that incites hatred. It doesn't pass the religion sniff test.

49 posted on 06/04/2005 12:23:53 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Maraya1969
There are plenty of instances in recent(Salem Witch Trials?) and old history where the Christian Bible was used to justify murder and war.

Yeah, those witch trials were just last week. If Christian start burning witches again we should all become very concerned and take action against those folks who are burning witches.

50 posted on 06/04/2005 12:23:59 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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