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Drug Czar Favors Testing Teens
Miami Herald ^ | June 4, 2005

Posted on 06/04/2005 6:06:50 PM PDT by Wolfie

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To: Lawgvr1955

They pretty much already have. They can stop you for "driving unsafely" (whatever that means) and hold you there on the side of the road, until the dog shows up to sniff your car for drugs. Perfectly legal.


61 posted on 06/05/2005 2:26:40 AM PDT by I_dmc
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To: sgtbono2002
This will never happen.

Yep, not in a million years...


62 posted on 06/05/2005 2:41:54 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Iscool

You're assuming the federal government wants to stop drug use? I think not. That isn't the purpose of the WOD.


63 posted on 06/05/2005 2:54:00 AM PDT by I_dmc
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To: TheOtherOne; robertpaulsen
Dude, you hate freedom, why do you want to talk to me?

rp IS the drug nazi,for FR... He is the self-appointed, self-aggrandizing, close-minded, form of troll, who thinks his shiite don't stink! He doesn't want to talk. He just wants to puff up, talk down to you, and make you think he is somebody important and wise... NOT!

Have a nice day, rp.

I gotta wake and bake... My friends and I are going kayak paddling on the Shenandoah river. Gotta get rollin'...


64 posted on 06/05/2005 2:55:29 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: robertpaulsen

[workplaces test employees for drugs. I assume you agree with that policy, correct?]

You assume far too much. First, it is not legal to test all public school students, only those involved in extracurricular activities.

Leaving aside the quibble over the Fourth Amendment, I dug into this at great length when our industry first started testing by DOT requirement. The inaccuracy of the tests is frightening. Think on what you get for the typical $40 drug screen. By the time you account for costs of chain of custody paperwork and shipping and handling, very little is left over for the actual chemical test. All drug testing labs get tested themselves by NIH which sends in undercover samples, contents known to NIH. Very few labs score perfect and not that many over 95%.

Of course any positive must be verified by a second test of the same "split" sample, supposedly reducing the chance of a twice tested sample being false positive to something miniscule.

Well, I feel warm and fuzzy all over, knowing that the same people who just screwed up my first result get another crack at either: clearing my good name; or covering their own a**e*. As we all know, no American corporation would ever fudge a result to keep a contract, no concern there.

If the chance of a bad test were as remote as that of winning the lottery (and it ain't), we all know there are lottery winners somewhere in this country nearly every day. If I win this lottery, I am immediately, and with damned little realistic recourse, disqualified from a transportation job I have safely performed without so much as a speeding ticket for over twenty years.

Fourty dollars times a few million students is a huge sum of money we could better spend teaching our students about, oh say, the U. S. Constitution.

Any school tells a child or grandchild of mine to pee in a bottle, I'll tell them to pee up a rope.


65 posted on 06/05/2005 3:46:47 AM PDT by barkeep
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To: Lizavetta; SteveMcKing

Precisely what I weas screaming at the TV during the good god how much did this cost us taxpayers inquiry into steriods in baseball.

Let's start piss testing Congress TODAY.


66 posted on 06/05/2005 4:30:44 AM PDT by SoVaDPJ
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To: Wolfie
Screw that. Test the Drug Czar.

...and every Politician across the land. Blackbird.

67 posted on 06/05/2005 5:05:12 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: dcwusmc

"Get your bumper stickers here". Latest hot (snicker) sticker, "Nothing says serious like boiling in oil!".


68 posted on 06/05/2005 7:14:25 AM PDT by I_dmc
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To: barkeep

To protect yourself, if you are drug tested, you should immediately go to your doctor and get another drug test. Waiting a few hours and drinking 6 gallons of water, if absolutely necessary.


69 posted on 06/05/2005 7:19:02 AM PDT by I_dmc
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To: dcwusmc
I personally favor giving him a nice long swim in a pool of boiling oil... sometimes the old ways are the best ways. Perhaps the other WOD and other authoritarian thugs would just LOVE a date with the Iron Maiden. And for the BATFags, drawing and quartering. The Rack would have its place in the scheme of things as well. Minor excesses could be honored with a bucket of tar, a bale of feathers and the obligatory ride out of town on a rail... We, the People, really need to start taking back our government and revoking the unlawful usurpation of authority by these slugs in a serious way! To me, nothing says serious like boiling oil.

I cannot believe that you omitted the very acme of citizen's justice ...

Heads On Pikes!!!

70 posted on 06/05/2005 7:22:12 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: robertpaulsen

"Don't the taxpayers have a right to see that their hard-earned money is well spent on educating sober and drug free students?"

If I had taxpayer rights, I wouldn't be forced to pay for gubmint school to begin with.


71 posted on 06/05/2005 7:25:04 AM PDT by Stew Padasso ("That boy is nuttier than a squirrel turd.")
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To: Arthur McGowan

Revolutions usually begin at the student level.
The students may abolish the government schools
themselves. Anarchy is on the rise and as the
'terrorists' have shown it is the last resort of
scoundrels. Hormonally challenged youth in
natural rebellion to authority will seek to destroy
that which threatens them and oppresses them.
It takes only the tiniest of minorities to wreak
chaos. Walters is the most dangerous fanatic of
fascism in recent history. His statements verge
on acts of treason. Suggesting government conduct
exceedingly obvious transgressions of the Constitution
is an attempt to overthrow the true CONSTITUTIONAL
republic; the government of the people, by the people
and for the people. This man should not only be fired
but should be arrested and prosecuted immediately
for far exceeding the mandate of any unelected bureaucrat.
An investigation should be launched into how high up
in the administration this policy of pee purity was proposed.

...secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity...


72 posted on 06/05/2005 7:38:52 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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To: TheOtherOne

Dude, you love anarchy. Why are you even on this board?


73 posted on 06/05/2005 8:33:07 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: BlackbirdSST
...and every Politician across the land.

Needless to say, I'm not holding my breath.

74 posted on 06/05/2005 8:34:37 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: robertpaulsen

How far is freedom from anarchy?
Freedom is an abstract, it can never be taken away.
Every individual has the free will to do whatever
is in there power to do. There is no need to fight for freedom, only liberty. Yet, we state we are fighting the WOT for freedom while we fight the WOD which bans rightful liberties and punishes the innocent. Can there be any freedom without liberty?
Anarchy is the expressed opposite of fascism and naturally grows in conjunction. The human spirit will not be confined. Walters isn't just yelling fire in a crowded theater, he is pouring gasoline down the aisles as he inhales a cigarette.


75 posted on 06/05/2005 9:38:44 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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To: PaxMacian
You want to wrap yourself in the flags of liberty and freedom? Fine.

But, quite frankly, you'd have a little more credibility if it wasn't over the legalization of recreational drugs. As it is, you come across as juvenile and silly.

In my opinion.

76 posted on 06/05/2005 10:32:35 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Stew Padasso
"If I had taxpayer rights, I wouldn't be forced to pay for gubmint school to begin with."

Or for welfare.

But we test welfare recipients for drugs, don't we? I suppose you see a difference?

77 posted on 06/05/2005 10:35:05 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Wolfie

On a positive note, illegal aliens will be exempt from any testing.


78 posted on 06/05/2005 10:37:10 AM PDT by mthom
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To: headsonpikes

Doesn't that one come after all the rest? After the perp is just about deceased (but not quite), you remove the head and place it on the pike... Slowly, perhaps, to give the perp some time to consider his sins befor final removal from the shoulders.


79 posted on 06/05/2005 1:29:56 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: robertpaulsen

But your opinion isn't really all that impressive, is it? Your opinions, had they any weight at all, would have seen the Founding Fathers swinging from the gallows for their upstart rebellion against the Crown. Thank God Almighty your opinions are as lightweight as your posts.


80 posted on 06/05/2005 1:35:46 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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