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Statue of Egyptian pharaoh found after nearly 3,600 years
AFP ^ | 06/04/05

Posted on 06/04/2005 9:03:10 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Statue of Egyptian pharaoh found after nearly 3,600 years

Sat Jun 4, 4:45 PM ET

LUXOR, Egypt (AFP) - Buried for nearly 3,600 years, a rare statue of Egypt's King Neferhotep I has been brought to light in the ruins of Thebes by a team of French archaeologists.

Officials said on Saturday that the statue was unusual in that the king is depicted holding hands with a double of himself, although the second part of the carving remains under the sand and its form has been determined by the use of imaging equipment.

Archeologists unearthed the 1.8 metre (six foot) tall statue, as they were carrying out repairs around Karnak Temple in the southern city of Luxor, Egypt's antiquities chief Zahi Hawass told reporters.

Francois Larche, one of the team that found the limestone statue of the king, whose name means "beautiful and good", said it was lying about 1.6 metres below ground near an obelisk of Queen Hatshepsut, the only woman to have reigned as a pharoah in Egypt, ruling from 1504-1484 BC.

Karnak, now in the heart of Luxor, was built on the ruins of Thebes, the capital of ancient Egypt. The huge temple dedicated to the god Amon lies in the heart of a vast complex of religious buildings in the city, 700 kilometres (435 miles) south of Cairo.

The statue shows the king wearing a funeral mask and royal head cloth or nemes, said Larche.

The forehead bears an emblem of a cobra, which ancient Egyptians used as a symbol on the crown of the pharaohs. They believed that the cobra would spit fire at approaching enemies.

Larche said this was only the second time such a statue had been found in Egypt. A similar one was dug up during the excavations of the hidden treasures of Karnak from 1898 to 1904.

But it is not clear when or if the statue will be completely unearthed. It is blocked by the remnants of an ancient structure, possibly a gate.

"In order to pull it out, a structure on top of the statue has to be dismantled and then restored," said Larche, adding that permission from the Egyptian antiquities authorities was needed before the team could go ahead with plans to raise the statue.

"It's up to the Higher Council of Egyptian Antiquities to decide on the fate of the statue of Neferhotep I and whether it will be brought to light or left buried where it was found."

Neferhotep was the 22nd king of the 13th Dynasty. The son of a temple priest in Abydos, he ruled Egypt from 1696-1686 BC.

Experts believe his father's position helped him to ascend the throne, as there was no royal blood in his family.

Neferhotep was one of the few pharaohs whose name did not invoke the sun god, Re. It is written on a number of stones, including a document on his reign found in Aswan.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; egypt; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; hatshepsut; history; neferhotep; pharaoh; statue
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1 posted on 06/04/2005 9:03:10 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; SunkenCiv; blam

Ping!


2 posted on 06/04/2005 9:03:42 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Statue of Egyptian pharaoh found after nearly 3,600 years

Under the bed? Between the sofa cushions? It's always the last place you look.

4 posted on 06/04/2005 9:07:38 PM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
In honor of the discovery of this Pharaoh's statue I will post this dancing fellow:


5 posted on 06/04/2005 9:10:37 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
the king is depicted holding hands with a double of himself

The mainstream media will claim it was his domestic partner.

6 posted on 06/04/2005 9:18:08 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Lockbar

sweet : )


7 posted on 06/04/2005 9:21:26 PM PDT by Flavius ("... we should reconnoitre assiduosly... " Vegetius)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Neferhotep was one of the few pharaohs whose name did not invoke the sun god, Re."

My #2 dog is named Ra after the sun god.

8 posted on 06/04/2005 9:23:13 PM PDT by blam
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To: TigerLikesRooster
You can't look upon Pharoh statues without thinking of Ozymandias.

Ozymandias

I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed,
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

9 posted on 06/04/2005 9:26:10 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

I can't read Ozymandias anymore without thinking of the WTC on 9/11.


10 posted on 06/04/2005 9:27:28 PM PDT by DryFly
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To: Plutarch

11 posted on 06/04/2005 9:37:33 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Buried for nearly 3,600 years, a rare statue of Egypt's King Neferhotep I has been brought to light in the ruins of Thebes by a team of French archaeologists. Who immediately surrendered.
12 posted on 06/04/2005 9:39:52 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: blam
My #2 dog is named Ra after the sun god.

My #12 dog is named mohammed after the...

.

... never mind ...

13 posted on 06/04/2005 10:13:10 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Before)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Some archeologists and historians believe that he might have been the Pharoah of the Exodus.


14 posted on 06/05/2005 2:21:41 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: SIDENET
When they excavate these ruins they should also check the Pharaoh's couch for all the loose Egyptian change that falls down the back.

There must be a treasure trove of gold coins hiding behind there.
15 posted on 06/05/2005 2:31:33 AM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Publius6961
My #12 dog is named mohammed

You have blasphemed Islam and must die...













...MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-MAD!!!!!!
16 posted on 06/05/2005 2:53:01 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: familyop

Then he drowned.


17 posted on 06/05/2005 3:01:44 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

Well, biblically (from my understanding), the sea covered the Egyptian army--the chariot ranks and cavalry but not necessarily the Pharoah. I'm not pretending to know who was Pharoah around the time of the Exodus, but reading others' guesses is fun. From those who study what little is known of ancient Egypt, there are several different opinions on when Neferhotep I lived. I haven't found names of any archeologists, yet, who compare physical finds with biblical text (only mentions of "archeologists," so far). There are some "biblical historians" named, though. It appears that most (if not all) archeologists disagree with both biblical and secular historians to a great extent on dates.


18 posted on 06/05/2005 3:43:48 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"In order to pull it out, a structure on top of the statue has to be dismantled and then restored,"

This doesn't sound right.

If the statue is lying beneath, but not part of, an existing structure any good engineer would recommend tunneling to get at it.

19 posted on 06/05/2005 5:46:26 AM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Senate)
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To: familyop

Agreed, nobody knows who the pharoah of the Exodus was. I, like you, have studied the subject, and the arguments over dates and dynasties is intriguing.

So is the debate over ethncity of the pharoahs, which makes looking at their statues interesting. Young Neferhotep looks very African to me, but who knows? We do know that one of the pharoahs had a Israeli ex-con as his right-hand man.

The biblical account in Exodus mentions demise of the Egyptian army, but Psalms mentions Pharoah himself perishing in the sea. Thus my comment in the earlier post. It's an obscure passage, but it's definitely there. If you'd like, I'll find and post it later.


20 posted on 06/05/2005 6:57:01 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Very intersting Antiquity!

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21 posted on 06/05/2005 7:05:50 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; blam; SunkenCiv

The article says "it was lying about 1.6 metres below ground near an obelisk of Queen Hatshepsut, the only woman to have reigned as a pharoah in Egypt, ruling from 1504-1484 BC." What about Cleopatra? Did she not qualify as Pharaoh?


22 posted on 06/05/2005 9:56:36 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Sure, but will they find his matching sock?


23 posted on 06/05/2005 9:58:11 AM PDT by RightWhale (We're trying to get rid of foreign oil, not find something more efficient or cheaper)
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To: DryFly
I can't read Ozymandias anymore without thinking of the WTC on 9/11.

He was ahead of his time.


24 posted on 06/05/2005 10:02:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Jedidah
"So is the debate over ethncity of the pharoahs, which makes looking at their statues interesting. Young Neferhotep looks very African to me, but who knows?"

I just read in National Geographic that King Tut was/is Caucasian.

25 posted on 06/05/2005 10:23:12 AM PDT by blam
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To: Publius6961
My #12 dog is named mohammed after the...

All American pigs should be named Mohammed.

Even then, there will still be fewer pig-Mohammeds than death-cult Moo Mohammeds.

And all American pork meals ("it's the other white meat!") should also be called mohammeds.

"Pass the Mohammed ribs, please. And some more sauce."

26 posted on 06/05/2005 10:25:40 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
the statue was unusual in that the king is depicted holding hands with a double of himself,

Twins?

27 posted on 06/05/2005 10:30:52 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I am not a romantic, I don't hero worship and no, as a matter of fact, I don't have a heart.)
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To: Jedidah

I didn't know about the entry in Psalms. Thanks!


28 posted on 06/05/2005 11:06:04 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop

Psalm 106 does an Exodus recap, including (vs.10-12) "not one of them survived," which is also what Exodus 14 says about Pharoah's "entire army".

Psalm 136:14-15 ". . . and brought Israel through the midst of it, . . .but swept Pharoah and his army into the Red Sea. . ." (NIV)


29 posted on 06/05/2005 11:39:35 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: blam

Excellent! Thanks. Digging out my National Geographic.


30 posted on 06/05/2005 11:40:33 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah
"Excellent! Thanks. Digging out my National Geographic."

It's the June issue. Tut's reconstructed head is on the front page.

31 posted on 06/05/2005 11:44:18 AM PDT by blam
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To: Jedidah
had a Israeli ex-con

Israelite, maybe?

32 posted on 06/05/2005 11:48:32 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Cleopatra was the last Ptolemy, a Greek.

They would be more accurate to say the only Egyptian woman to rule Egypt.

(But there is debate as to Cleopatra's ethnicity as well.
Some claim she was part Black.)


33 posted on 06/05/2005 12:03:40 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The french are actually good for something- digging trenches.


34 posted on 06/05/2005 12:17:01 PM PDT by Porterville (Don't make me go Bushi on your a$$)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I thought the cobra was the sign of upper Egypt?
The later pharohs had two symbols on their headdress,
the cobra for one and something else for lower Egypt.


35 posted on 06/05/2005 12:20:28 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Calvin Locke

Whatever.


36 posted on 06/05/2005 12:42:16 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

Thanks again. Many of the theology sites mention that the mummy of Neferhotep I hasn't been found. ...interesting.


37 posted on 06/05/2005 2:31:32 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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Thanks TigerLikesRooster for the ping, I'll do the list when I get home.
The article says "it was lying about 1.6 metres below ground near an obelisk of Queen Hatshepsut, the only woman to have reigned as a pharoah in Egypt, ruling from 1504-1484 BC." What about Cleopatra? Did she not qualify as Pharaoh?
Hatshepsut ruled in her own right, apparently as a usurper (she began her reign as regent, then said to hell with that).

Despite the modern drive to make Cleopatra a paragon of virtue and (contradictorily) a capable and ruthless leader in her own right, she was placed on the throne by Rome, and kept there by Rome. She murdered her siblings one by one to prevent pretenders from arising, banged everything in sight (that too is denied, including by Michael Grant), and "her" domain failed to defend her when Mark Antony was systematically destroyed by Octavian.

Another modern phenomenon is the drive to make Nefertiti -- who died in her 30s, and predeceased her husband Akhenaton (nee Amenhotep IV) -- into a pharaoh in her own right, ruling under the name Smenkhkhare. That's also not true (by a mile).

Another female pharaoh ruled at or near the end of the Old Kingdom, quite a while before Hatshepsut.

38 posted on 06/05/2005 3:32:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: blam
Neferhotep was one of the few pharaohs whose name did not invoke the sun god, Re.

I'll definitely be checking Quirke on that statement by the author of the article. Smells suspiciously of BS. It's an odd statement to make, in any case. The fivefold titulary (the pharaohs had five official names) was established during the Old Kingdom, and seldom did it go unused thereafter. (':

Dog named Ra? Not Ra-uff? ;')
39 posted on 06/05/2005 3:46:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks Tigerlikesrooster. I'd check the Quirke book as promised, but, uh, I'm not a great housekeeper. Wasn't on the shelf in the usual place, and, well, I don't know where it is in the household debris. :'o
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
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40 posted on 06/05/2005 8:36:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: tet68
The later pharohs had two symbols on their headdress,
the cobra for one and something else for lower Egypt.

Symbols of Upper and Lower Egypt

41 posted on 06/05/2005 11:08:02 PM PDT by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: Jedidah; familyop

Jeez, people. The pharoah of the Exodus was Yul Brenner.


42 posted on 06/06/2005 5:27:36 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: SunkenCiv

a lotta new egyptian finds lately.


43 posted on 06/06/2005 6:40:01 AM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: familyop

There is an excellent book on with an alternative dates theory called "Pharoahs and Kings." It is an easy read with some great charts. The author points out how much of the date assumptions made, are all based on one person's original date assumption, and how few question the premise.


44 posted on 06/06/2005 6:52:06 AM PDT by jps098
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To: ken21

Yeah, Zahi "Zowie" Hawass has a lot of backs bending, trying to uncover as much as possible.


45 posted on 06/06/2005 9:05:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: jps098; familyop; Jedidah; blam

FR thread related to your subthread here:

Pharoahs and Kings - A Test of Time
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/rohl-1.htm | David M. Rohl
Posted on 07/31/2002 7:35:06 PM PDT by Scythian
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/725672/posts


46 posted on 06/06/2005 9:14:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Can't wait for that blow hard Hawass to make the announcement as if he were the reason for the discovery.
47 posted on 06/06/2005 3:42:14 PM PDT by -=Wing_0_Walker=- (Don't spit in my eye and charge me for eyewash!)
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To: jps098
Thanks. I'll find a copy of Pharoahs and Kings.
48 posted on 06/06/2005 9:14:22 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the links and title.


49 posted on 06/06/2005 9:16:21 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: SunkenCiv; jps098
David M. Rohl's A Test of Time: The Bible: From Myth to History looks really interesting, too. It might be interesting to apply Hebrew research and further dating study with a different scale. Or maybe the synopsis doesn't speak quite completely for the book. I'll get the book and find out.
50 posted on 06/06/2005 9:40:42 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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