To: M. Dodge Thomas
I was in and around and [Thank God] out of Iraq more than 60 times [And Teheran and other parts of Iran a score or so times] during the 8 years of the Iraq Iran War and can categorically state from my experience that your claim the United States backed one group of murderous thugs - the Iraqi [Ba'ath Party] - against another murderous group of thugs - the Iranian Mullahs" grossly misrepresents the truth.
You have, in any case, between posts, altered your argument from the ridiculous cause of my initial response, that careful "examination of his regime's history would reveal a lot of very embarrassing material about its relationship with Western governments, including both Democratic and Republican administrations in the US," to now suggest that America was responsible for the atrocities on both sides of that conflict.
And that there are, in the United States [Given your implication] "hundreds if not thousands of businesses and individuals who have a vested interest is seeing that he's tried and convicted for a narrow subset of the crimes he committed - and that he takes the rest of his secrets to the grave."
Had you confined your allegations to the likes of France and Germany and Russia and China and some others they had a whiff of truth but insofar as your employment of the well-flogged canard that the United states of America had involvement in and must take responsibility for any part of Sadam's bastardry, I will very comfortably stand by my first reponse to your first post.
And you really aught ponder my suggestion that Joseph Gobbels seems alive and well and lives in your mirror and that correlation is not causation.
posted on 06/05/2005 3:33:14 PM PDT
by Brian Allen
(The mind that alters alters all -- William Blake)
To: Brian Allen
As even the limited amount of material declassified to date makes clear, the war between Iran and Iraq put the US in a very difficult position: an Iranian victory was unacceptable, but there was no practical way to insure such an outcome except publicly improved relations with Baghdad and covert military and economic support of the Iraqi regime.
The former is a matter of public record, details of the latter are gradually becoming clearer as various material (such as National Security Decision Directives and State Depart Cables) are declassified.
A good example (amongst many) of the way in which really through disclosure of such efforts would embarrass individuals in the US and elsewhere is the prosecution of a number of US based corporations and individuals for violation of various export controls involving the shipment of military or dual-use material to the Iraqi regime during and just after the war.
In these cases the usual defense offered was that this material was supplied at the request of US government agencies a defense usually unsuccessful due to evidentiary rules; but when the US Attorneys occasionally slipped up and such evidence made in into the record, its IMO pretty convincing, see for example:
As for your suggesting that I ought to see the image of Joseph Gobbels when I look I the mirror its both childish, as you know nothing about me, and particularly offensive, given that my wife is Jewish.
Fortunately, in my time to date on Free Republic this is the first time that anyone has lowered themselves to this level, and hopefully your efforts will remain unique.
posted on 06/05/2005 7:27:38 PM PDT
by M. Dodge Thomas
(More of the same, only with more zeros on the end.)
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