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Majority of states pressing for taxing all Internet sales
9news.com ^ | 6/3/2005 | Paror Farer,

Posted on 06/05/2005 10:55:28 AM PDT by olde north church

DENVER - 9News has learned that 43 states have joined together in a coalition to collect sales tax on all Internet purchases.

You already pay sales tax when you go online to buy from an established business like Eddie Bauer or Wal-Mart. But a lot of small Internet businesses and individual transactions float under the radar.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: confiscatorytaxes; destroytheinternet; internet; salestax; taxation; taxcollection; taxes; taxoppression; turass; unfairtax
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1 posted on 06/05/2005 10:55:29 AM PDT by olde north church
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To: olde north church
If we have 49 states agree to tax internet sales, that 1 last state that doesn't agree will, by default, get 100% of the internet sales.

One does hope they have gentle winters.

2 posted on 06/05/2005 10:58:10 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: olde north church

Politicians are tax junkies. "Just one more tax, only one more tax...."


3 posted on 06/05/2005 10:58:22 AM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: olde north church

Okay, who's got the bat signal for the Sons of Liberty?


4 posted on 06/05/2005 10:58:38 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: muawiyah
or the Caribbean, or Bermuda, etc. Although, they have managed to shut down cigarette sales from overseas.
5 posted on 06/05/2005 11:03:44 AM PDT by jimbergin
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To: olde north church

Typical politicians. Rather than restrain or reexamine their spending, just look for another vein to tap.

Nothing like having the government come in and kill a marketplace. I've done a good deal of my shopping via the internet due to the reduced prices, convienience and lack of TAXES.

Citizens for Limited Taxation up here in Massachusetts is fighting a bill related to internet sales taxes...I can just see the argument of the proponents..."it's for the chilllldrenn..." They can't honor the income tax rollback that voters passed in 1989, but will be more than happy to add a new sales tax. This with an estimated BILLION dollar surplus for the fiscal year.

Parasites.


6 posted on 06/05/2005 11:06:36 AM PDT by LostInBayport (One Massachusetts conservative adrift in a sea of liberal lunacy...)
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To: jimbergin

They've gotta' be in the same trading zone, namely the one called USA, to escape the tax stuff. I'm just hopeing I can set up shop in a place with pleasant winters.


7 posted on 06/05/2005 11:07:44 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: olde north church

Government is on a death spiral. One reason for it is their inability to control their spending and our resulting taxation. Our days are numbered.


8 posted on 06/05/2005 11:08:08 AM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: All
If I'm not mistaken, I recall Rush stating something about states being in surpluses for the first time in years.
I know as conservatives "we don't do these things" we simply prefer to grumble in the back of the room, perhaps it's time to take a page from the whacko handbook and do a strike on a seemingly harmless product that the state makes a mint taxing and don't buy it for a day. Make it something that can't be made up on the next day.
Oh yeah, and if you have info on a state congressman/senator/governor in a compromising position. Please share it with all of us. Photoshop's welcome! They don't care how they !#ck with us, I say, let's return the favor!
9 posted on 06/05/2005 11:08:30 AM PDT by olde north church (Start icing the judicial cake.)
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To: olde north church
You already pay sales tax when you go online to buy from an established business like Eddie Bauer or Wal-Mart.

And we sure don't want to give small businesses the 5-8 percent margin they need to compete with Walmart, do we?

10 posted on 06/05/2005 11:08:37 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: olde north church

So if 50 states agree, and laws are passed to allow collection of the tax, doesn't this mean that all of the internet businesses will simply incorporate in Bermuda or Monaco or whatnot? These states have no clue about basic economics.


11 posted on 06/05/2005 11:09:44 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: LostInBayport; All

I believe that ol' Tree of Liberty is in serious need of feeding.


12 posted on 06/05/2005 11:10:27 AM PDT by olde north church (Start icing the judicial cake.)
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To: olde north church

I've never understood the the pro-tax logic that the more we bludgeon the goose, the more golden eggs we get.


13 posted on 06/05/2005 11:11:46 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: muawiyah
that 1 last state that doesn't agree will, by default, get 100% of the internet sales.

How does Colorado sound?

Colorado Governor Bill Owens says he doesn't like the idea and that Colorado won't be part of it.

Here's something you don't read everyday:

"We're getting lots of taxes in terms of income taxes and other taxes because of the rise of the Internet, we shouldn't tax sales over the Internet," said Owens.

14 posted on 06/05/2005 11:11:48 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: LostInBayport
Rather than restrain or reexamine their spending, just look for another vein to tap.

It's not like the voters are teaching them otherwise.

15 posted on 06/05/2005 11:13:56 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: jimbergin

Actually, they have managed to cut down domestic cigarette sales. The overseas operations don't have the same problem yet.


16 posted on 06/05/2005 11:14:20 AM PDT by Bernard (Which gospel does your truth come from?)
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To: jimbergin
Although, they have managed to shut down cigarette sales from overseas.

They've basically shut down cigarette sales in the US as well.

17 posted on 06/05/2005 11:14:31 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: shellshocked

Fortunately people will still desire to improve their lot in life regardless of government idiocy. Any regime that stands in the way of this will eventually collapse.


18 posted on 06/05/2005 11:14:33 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Bernard

my nephew who always got his from overseas says they are shut down. and when I tried to find some still working it was not easy to do. My nephew now goes to an Indian Reservation in Northwest PA to get his.


19 posted on 06/05/2005 11:16:32 AM PDT by jimbergin
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To: olde north church
The states are very cash strapped and hungry, even ravenous. Methinks its because of all the expenditures of a welfare and social nature.

"Socialism has to work. We just haven't tried it with the world's resources yet." Text of a scream heard during electroshock therapy.

20 posted on 06/05/2005 11:17:03 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Bernard
The overseas operations don't have the same problem yet.

Actually they have a worse problem - the shipments are being seized when they hit american soil.

21 posted on 06/05/2005 11:17:09 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: All

I'm surprised the media hasn't chimed in with how regressive sales takes are.


22 posted on 06/05/2005 11:17:57 AM PDT by olde north church (Opposed to spilling the blood of tyrants? I shall celebrate it!)
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To: Gabz; SheLion

You haven't pinged SL yet?

Hasn't she been the one to warn folks about this for some time now?

(Of course, back then it was only about smokers; non smokers didn't care. They may now, though.


23 posted on 06/05/2005 11:21:36 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: jimbergin
Look, you can't get good fighting cocks by mail anymore either. They've shut it down!

About the only place you can go these days to find a prime rooster is an Indian reservation.

(BTW, I was part of the "they" on that one ~ did you know that if you have a bunch of young chickens and you've not properly sexed them, and desexed the roosters, what will happen one days is you will wake up and have but one chicken left. Those little critters are nasty. They fight to the death.)

24 posted on 06/05/2005 11:22:50 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: agitator
Politicians are tax junkies.

Yep, you can bet your boots that it is not the people who support the tax, just the pols.

25 posted on 06/05/2005 11:24:04 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: olde north church

Don't tax me. Don't tax thee. Tax that man behind the tree.


26 posted on 06/05/2005 11:24:54 AM PDT by FreeRep
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To: olde north church

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."

- Ronald Reagan


27 posted on 06/05/2005 11:25:38 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: olde north church
The first step in the government removing the freedom of the internet. How long before they try taxing individual emails...or each post in a messageboard? The Dims are angry at how the blogs have been knocking out their heros such as Dan Rather. They will not be satisfied until the freedom of the blogs is diminished, and taxes will be the way they will try to do it.
28 posted on 06/05/2005 11:28:34 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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wtf is wrong with people who want to tax every single point of a money transfer. They tax you for what you earn, they then tax you for spending it now they want to tax sales on the internet.


29 posted on 06/05/2005 11:32:37 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: oblomov
So if 50 states agree, and laws are passed to allow collection of the tax, doesn't this mean that all of the internet businesses will simply incorporate in Bermuda or Monaco or whatnot? These states have no clue about basic economics.

Along with a sales tax there is a companion tax called a "use tax". Thus if any item witch would be taxable in you state is purchased from an out of state source without tax the the use tax is applicable and at the current sales tax rate.

30 posted on 06/05/2005 11:35:25 AM PDT by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....get over it.)
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To: RandallFlagg; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; KS Flyover; Cantiloper; ...
No No! The US Postal Service brought out that they will NOT baby sit the mail. They don't have the time or the help. Which is a very good think.

And I think the FEDS do not like being told what to do!!!! heh!

 

5-30-05

Congratulations to our United States Post Office for holding the line and respecting Federal law.  Now, if our federal government would only stand up to the State Attorneys General too and defend our Constitutional rights.....

"The Postal Service, citing concerns about the privacy of the mail and wary of putting postal clerks in the position of deciding which packages to accept and which to reject, is resisting the growing calls that it stop shipping cigarettes.

"Postal officials say that they are committed to fighting illegal activities conducted through the mail, but complain that their hands are tied. They note that Priority Mail, which officials say is most frequently used to ship cigarettes, cannot be inspected without a search warrant or the consent of either the sender or the recipient.

"Tobacco is a legal, mailable product," Mary Anne Gibbons, the Postal Service's general counsel, wrote last month in a response to the association of attorneys general. "It would be impracticable for postal acceptance clerks to make determinations on any given mailer's compliance with state excise or tax law or Jenkins Act filings."

The news that the United States Post Office will not stop delivering cigarette shipments was really great, but this story is even better!!!  I found it on the Smokers' Forum, and Samantha already has it recorded in the Smokers Club Newsletter, Inc.  It's a great start........

5-31-05 - PORTLAND, Maine -- A federal judge has struck down portions of a Maine law designed to prevent youths from smoking.

U.S. District Judge D. Brock Hornby said that while Maine's statute is laudable and well-intentioned, it runs afoul of federal interstate commerce laws by impeding delivery services.

Maine's 2003 law requires procedures to verify that those who purchase tobacco by mail are old enough to do so. It was designed in part to prevent youths from ordering cigarettes online and also to assist the state in collecting taxes that would otherwise be unpaid.

Under the Maine law, the person to whom the tobacco products are addressed must be at least 18 years old and must sign for the package. If the buyer is under 27, a government-issued identification must be shown at the time of delivery.

After the law was enacted, United Parcel Service announced it would no longer make consumer tobacco deliveries in Maine because it would have to modify its procedures for one product. The New Hampshire and Massachusetts motor transport associations, and Vermont Truck and Bus Association, whose members include cargo carriers, sued.

In his 37-page ruling Friday, Hornby agreed that Maine's law forces UPS to vary from procedures it uses in its international delivery system, which can affect the prices of its service and interfere with the orderly flow of packages.

The judge agreed that states may regulate the delivery of contraband, but only if it does not "significantly affect a carrier's prices, routes or services."

Hornby noted in his ruling that he had denied a preliminary request to block enforcement of the state law, but "now I conclude that two of the three challenged state provisions cannot survive the broad pre-emptive language of the federal legislation" and two recent decisions by the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The ruling traces federal pre-emption of interstate commerce to an 1887 law. While Congress has written into the law some areas that are exempt from federal pre-emption, the Maine Tobacco Delivery law "fits none of the exemptions," the judge wrote.

Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution for the United States of America prohibits taxation of interstate commerce.

 

31 posted on 06/05/2005 11:35:31 AM PDT by SheLion (I have a Free Republic stalker...........T.Smith)
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To: olde north church
Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution for the United States of America prohibits taxation of interstate commerce.
32 posted on 06/05/2005 11:37:21 AM PDT by SheLion (I have a Free Republic stalker...........T.Smith)
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To: olde north church
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."

- RONALD REAGAN

33 posted on 06/05/2005 11:38:01 AM PDT by SaveTheChief
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To: olde north church
This is dangerous. Sales tax will depend on its meaning. Is subscribing to a site that require a fee a sales tax. You bet your a@@ it will be. Currently they are trying to fool us by leading us to mean a sales tax on merchandise. I subscribe to many sites that require a fee for an ID and a Password. You have to watch these a@@holes. They are determined to tax us to death. For instance, remember the seat belt law. Only a ticket if you were stopped for a violation and were not wearing a belt. How did that go. Same thing here, government will just not leave us alone. Mark my words.
34 posted on 06/05/2005 11:40:37 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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Don't forget the air we breathe...it blows across state lines, clearly interstate commerce...tax it!!!


35 posted on 06/05/2005 11:42:36 AM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: olde north church
Yes, it is just one tax after another trying to get all of our money,no sense in letting us keep, we will just spend i on things we want! In California they are starting new ads to try and get people to give their old cars away "for the children" with breathing related illnesses. Just give your old polluting vehicle right here to the goobermint of CA and the State will be a better place for the children. What jerks!
36 posted on 06/05/2005 11:44:34 AM PDT by calex59
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To: DumpsterDiver

There is another factor that needs to be made about Colorado. We have TABOR and it limits how much the government can spend regardless of tax receipts. So, in the good years, the internet tax would simply increase our rebates. The state wouldn't be allowed to keep it.


37 posted on 06/05/2005 11:47:19 AM PDT by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
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To: olde north church

North Carolina already taxes internet sales. When one files his NC tax return, he is supposed to declare and pay a "use tax" on all internet purchases or telephone catalog purchases for which taxes were not charged by the vendor. I understand a number of other states also do this.


38 posted on 06/05/2005 11:50:41 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: DumpsterDiver

Wow! Now there's an idea that needs exposure to the light of day. Maybe if people ever understand that they are already taxed nine ways from Sunday they'll understand why no more taxes are needed.


39 posted on 06/05/2005 11:51:02 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: agitator
Politicians are tax junkies. "Just one more tax, only one more tax...."

No. Basically, our politicians are crooks. They are total low life, scum inferiors. Why we vote these crooks into office blows my mind.

40 posted on 06/05/2005 11:52:23 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: RandallFlagg
Thanks for thinking of me Randall. Your's is the first ping I received.

Thanks so much!!!

41 posted on 06/05/2005 11:53:42 AM PDT by SheLion (I have a Free Republic stalker...........T.Smith)
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To: SheLion

No prob. I'm just wondering when the rude folks who invade our Puff Threads will chime in about this.

They probably won't.


42 posted on 06/05/2005 11:56:00 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: JoeGar

"North Carolina already taxes internet sales. When one files his NC tax return, he is supposed to declare and pay a "use tax" on all internet purchases or telephone catalog purchases for which taxes were not charged by the vendor. I understand a number of other states also do this."

I believe I noted this on the Massachusetts tax forms (shocking, I know). I recall reading somewhere (FR?) that it is only a small percentage of filers who actually report this. Even the tax collectors understand that it is basically a voluntary act. The only way I could see this being a problem for someone who doesn't report the internet/catalog purchases is in an audit situation, but even then can they inquire into your actual purchases?


43 posted on 06/05/2005 11:58:19 AM PDT by LostInBayport (One Massachusetts conservative adrift in a sea of liberal lunacy...)
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To: RandallFlagg

You have FReep mail!


44 posted on 06/05/2005 11:59:12 AM PDT by SheLion (I have a Free Republic stalker...........T.Smith)
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To: RandallFlagg; SheLion

My apologies - I've been really distracted with some other stuff today.


45 posted on 06/05/2005 11:59:48 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: olde north church

No Way on Taxes for the Internet.

These damn blood sucking politicians believe they can take your money and do a better job of spending it for you.

Just Say No But Hell No.


46 posted on 06/05/2005 12:14:12 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: SheLion; Gabz
Check this out.
You might appreciate it.
47 posted on 06/05/2005 12:26:05 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: SheLion; All
Miss SheLion,
I apologize for not pinging. I don't have a ping list. NJ has a Use Tax.
Perhaps it's time for a "Tea Party" Ping List?
FReegards,
ONC
48 posted on 06/05/2005 12:48:36 PM PDT by olde north church (Opposed to spilling the blood of tyrants? I shall celebrate it!)
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To: agitator
Politicians are tax junkies.

Interesting take on it agitator, however "junkiie" is a mite bit extreme donchya' think?

After all, while on the campaign trail, most politicians have stated that they won't touch that 45% I get to keep all for my own.

Junkies? Nah, just self absorbed, careless criminals with a twisted mindset as to how to maintain their power.

I think you may have been a little harsh in your depiction. ; )

49 posted on 06/05/2005 12:52:12 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: SaveTheChief
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."

The man had vision didn't he?

Now, however "if it's corrupt, save it" can be added to his well thought out agenda.

50 posted on 06/05/2005 12:56:28 PM PDT by EGPWS
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