NAU, here we come...!
Posted on 06/05/2005 3:55:49 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch
For the U.S., Mexico and Canada, a secure and prosperous future hinges on an increased level of integration that would create a type of "North American Economic Community," Mexican presidential hopeful Jorge Castañeda told reporters during a speech in San Antonio on Saturday.
"I think the best possible alternative (to the status quo in North American relations) is an intensifying of NAFTA in the direction of a European Economic Community," said Castañeda, referring to the North American Free Trade Agreement and the European Economic Community, a treaty that worked toward the economic integration of several European nations and laid a foundation for the European Union.
Castañeda, who was secretary of foreign affairs of Mexico from 2000 to 2003, made his remarks to a group of about 25 journalists and other guests of the German Marshall Fund of the United States, which hosted its annual Transatlantic Journalists Forum outside of Washington or Europe for the first time.
Organizers said the forum's focus on immigration and borders made San Antonio a prime location for discussion.
Castañeda's vision is that the three nations can strike a "grand bargain" by tackling each country's most vexing problems simultaneously.
"The central issue is that the problems we face have not been solved by NAFTA," he said.
In its current form, NAFTA hasn't worked as its architects hoped, he said.
Productivity and growth rates for Mexico have been mediocre, and contrary to U.S. hopes, illegal immigration has reached an all-time high.
"It makes sense," Castañeda said. "The Mexican economy doesn't grow, the U.S. economy does grow, and well, people leave. It's not rocket science."
Another approach would be to take the biggest current issues — such as homeland security and immigration — and try to solve them from a North American perspective, rather than one country's, he said.
So if the U.S. wants Mexico's cooperation to secure its borders from terrorists, and Mexico wants the U.S.' help to ease the flow of migrants north and south of the border, there is an incentive to work together, Castañeda argued.
"Without security, nothing is sellable to the U.S., but without immigration, nothing is sellable to Mexico," Castañeda said.
He rapped the Bush administration's lack of urgency in reforming immigration.
He characterized the American perspective like this: "The migrants who come, come; the ones who die, die; the ones who are sent back are sent back, and they try again; and, what the hell, there's no real reason for changing something which does not seem in itself to be an unmanageable situation."
There should be urgency for immigration reform because America's security is tied to it, he said.
Terrorists will come to the same conclusion that the Mexican border is the easiest way to enter the U.S.
With more integration, Americans could have a more direct hand in screening passengers in Mexico before they reach the border.
"At some point, the security question will become a central one in the United States," Castañeda said. "The Mexican border is too porous from a security perspective."
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mcastillo@express-news.net
Jorge Castañeda gets it, why doesn't George Bush?
At some point, "We the People" are going to start shooting illegals as they try to enter. Take that to the bank.
And try to stop us.
Do you hear me, Mr. President? DO YOUR JOB!!
Shakedown time. They create the problem, then offer us a "solution".It's their way or the highway. Forget it! I don't want anything on these corrupt marixt scam artists terms. We CAN have our cake and eat it, too.
Mexican Presidential Ping!
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The border between the United States and Guatemala will be much more secure. Castañeda is right, let's just annex Mexico.
European economic model? Lordy...
Well, when those waves of people start DISAPPEARING instead of the status quo, something will change. No coyotes, no illegals getting through, no new ones to hire on this side. Then there will be the camps. Work camps. Doing what? Building a wall. Digging trenches. Putting in the initial defensive trace. All in humane conditions - but with NO PAY. Don't like it? Good, then go back home to Mexico. If we catch you again, we put you to work for longer. Each time for longer. Eventually, you will never be able to pay off the "company store", and we OWN YOU. Then what, pendejo?
He hears us, but he doesn't care what we think because his puppetmasters have spoken, and he obeys.
Mexico needs us, we don't them and Castañeda knows it. Calls for "integration" are being made because it's far easier to dump someone else's problems onto the USA then confront and solve them on their own.
That's what I thought when I read of using the EU model. Good Lord, don't these losers read the news? We're not talking about some rural Indian here, this guy's part of their government.
I agree with you, Janet - but exactly who "they" are becomes the question.
That is exactly what should be done!
What's it going to take to get us awake enough to remember that our forefathers made their livings by teaching Empires and Kings named George their limits?
Exactly! "without immigration, nothing is sellable to Mexico".
I call your attention to a very interesting post yesterday from MadIvan "A Throne in Belgium" that discusses the origins of the European Union concept. It's freightening:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1416528/posts
Tell Castenada we're not interested in becoming a welfare state for Mexico.
I think his Daddy is one of his elite globalist masters. GWB's destructive policies can't be a coincidence. I believe that our sovereignty will be a thing of the past if America doesn't wake up and see what's happening to us.
The North American Union is coming to the surface more and more. Funny there isnt anybody chiming in with tinfoil hat comments.
I missed it, thanks! We have to stop the flood of illegals. Jesse Jane and hedgetrimmer have posted lots of links on 'American integration'. In canada and mexico it's being discussed by the media. Not here.
As much as I am a little uncomforable with the sound of this, it's going to take a well ground charismatic with little aspiration for holding power, to hold our leader's feet to the fire. They have disgraced themselves and our nation and it's high time someone called them on it.
It's amazing how they forget the little guy in their calculations. Of course, there's the little guy named H5N1 that is looking larger in the rear view every day.
War of the Worlds, or The Stand. Take your pick. The globalists shall not win. Let me rephrase that: EVIL shall not win.
That's because it's gotten way too difficult to ridicule the obvious.
No revolution. No armed conflict. How about a Constitutional Convention? Put the politicians out to pasture, let the DoD guard the nation, and let's review the 225 years of toying with the founding documents. Throw out the things that aren't legal. Let's take back OUR POWER.
If that Cosntitional Convention would be attended and most importantly led by the caliber of people who were our founding fathers, I could sign on to the idea. Unfortunately, the CC would be led by the likes of John McCain and Ted Kennedy, our moderate elder statesmen. (Gag me with a pitchfork!)
That's why I state that a well grounded charismatic is going to have to make enough common sense to enough people, to herd them into some power plays that will shake the foundations of our political leaders. IMO, that's the only way.
I don't advocate violence either, but the time has come when we're going to either play major league hardball with our feckless leaders, or the nation will not be a shining city upon a hill.
This is like a destitute prostitute telling Bill Gates that they would both be better off if they were equal partners!
Won't happen.. but you do have a great idea.
NAU, here we come...!
Yep but I don't have to hed that way until Aug. Stay out of trouble HJ.
Why in the world would we want to integrate our economy and society with that disaster? What's in it for us?
Click on "they" and go to an interesting read.
Or we could help every farmer and rancher and land owner build a high, good quality fence on their land that fronts the border. We could ask hundreds of volunteers to man the sections of the border where fences aren't practical. Each group would serve for one month at a time and they would, of course, be stationed on our side of the fence for their safety. We do not have to take Mexico's miserable masses just because we are cursed with such irresponsible neighbors.
Illegals could also be *sentenced* to trash pick up along our borders. It's mostly their own countrymen leaving these TONS of trash along our borders.
Funny, tent jails are good enough for citizen criminals.....so why can't the feds build 'cheap' tent jails for illegals rather than keep on with the FAILED "catch & release" system ??
Just more proof that even illegal criminals have more US *rights* than the citizen criminals do.
Yeah just what the US *needs*........40 million MORE people in *our* welfare system.....& btw this is 40 million *according* to *mexico's poverty ratings.
Save your breath. He's not about to do anything that would slow down his globalist agenda! We've been sold out and betrayed! He could care less about the safety of our families, and when we get hit again, it's going to be his fault for not securing the borders on 9-12.
A Constitutional Convention can be a dangerous thing. There would be a very strong attempt to delete the Second Amendment. I am afraid that a convention would result in a second civil war and what with the makeup of the military today, they could be easily convinced to fire on American citizens.
The Stand - for America!
LBJ had his "great society" and Jorge (accent on the first syllable) has his "grand bargain".
In its current form, NAFTA hasn't worked as its architects hoped, he said.
Yeah, sometimes those great ideas just fall flat on their face when put into practice.
So if the U.S. wants Mexico's cooperation to secure its borders from terrorists illegal aliens, and Mexico wants the U.S.' help to ease the flow of migrants north and south of the border,...
Mexico wants to stop the flow heading north? And what is this about the flow going south? Are the Canadians storming into Mexico?
"Without security, nothing is sellable to the U.S., but without immigration, nothing is sellable to Mexico," Castañeda said.
"It's the whole enchilada or nothing," Castañeda said.
National Association of Hispanic Journalists
Phoenix, AZ
July 2001
never, ever go to "FREECREDITREPORT.COM", trust me on this.
ol' hoghead
Jorge Castañeda gets it, why doesn't George Bush?
George B DOES get it...He's the one allowing the border to be porous...
This Mexican fella is a little more honest than George...We've known for some time that George and his globalists want to unite this hemisphere into one 'state'...Funny this is, a vote by the Americans would never pass muster, like the EU is having to deal with, so George isn't bothering to have a vote...He's just doing it...
And he has the military and his Federal Police Force on his side...And anyone who opposes him is a terrorist, and at the very least, a vigilante (contrary to what Thomas Jefferson thought)...
If I might interject; If you do a little research on the Council on Foreign Relations and read some of the reports put out by the G7 (now G8) Group, you will see where the ideas come from...
If you look at some of these taxpayer and foundation funded 'Think Tanks' that we see mentioned in the MSM, you will see these people make up thousands of appointed positions in the Federal Gov't and they are all analisys and advice groups where the President gets his information from...
And there's one thing they all have in common...Globalsim...And this just touches the surface...
All you need then is a microphone, and maybe a little cash...;)
I agree with what you're saying here. These NGOs are very powerful and answer to no one.
I'm saving up... heh heh heh.
BTTT
Is this extortion? If we don't ease the flow of migrants, Mexico may let terrorists slip through?
What you said...bump!
I don't see Mexico doing anything to help America's economic growth. The Mexicans are taking good jobs away from American workers, and sending the money to Mexico. The idiot American politicians are demanding that the poor American taxpayers pay all the bills for the millions of illegals Bush has brought to the country, sucking us dry on every hand. Thanks but no thanks George and Jorge!
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