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Amnesty Blinded By It's Hatred For Bush - (blatant anti-American reports; e.g. "gulags")

Posted on 06/05/2005 5:58:30 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Amnesty International's latest report didn't denounce conditions for U.S. troops captured and held in detention facilities in Iraq. That's because, as far as anyone knows, there are no camps for American prisoners of war in Iraq.

According to Pentagon sources, there is only one U.S. soldier listed as missing-captured in Iraq. Sgt. Keith Maupin, 21, has been missing since April 2004.

Terrorists in Iraq don't take prisoners. They fight to kill. Larry Greer, spokesman for the Pentagon's POW/MIA office, noted that while there is no way of knowing how the terrorists would treat U.S. detainees, it is clear how they treat hostages: "Their treatment appears to be torture followed by execution."

So Amnesty International cannot refer to a POW camp run by Iraqi and foreign insurgents fighting the U.S.-led coalition as it does to the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay -- as a "gulag of our times, entrenching the notion that people can be detained without any recourse to the law." The dead don't talk.

I do not believe that Amnesty International is indifferent to the carnage committed by what it calls "armed groups opposed to the presence of U.S.-led forces in Iraq." The group's 2005 report does cite "gross human-rights abuses which caused thousands of civilian casualties." It also reports that insurgents have engaged in kidnapping for ransom and, "Some kidnap victims, including children, were killed."

I do believe, however, that Amnesty is too easy on terrorists in Iraq, and too hard on the U.S. effort.

Note how Amnesty's language -- "armed groups opposed to the presence of U.S.-led forces in Iraq" -- cleanses the aim of the terrorists. Men who blow up mosques, kill children and butcher Iraqi police and military trainees are fighting more than coalition troops. They are fighting to keep Iraq from being free.

The Washington Post editorial page, among others, scolded Amnesty for comparing Guantanamo Bay to the Soviet "gulag." There is, after all, a big difference between thousands of concentration camps housing more than 20 million people over decades and a detention camp that houses some 500 captured enemy combatants. A more apt comparison would be Stalin's gulag to the prisons of Saddam Hussein.

I don't like bashing Amnesty International, which for years has done important work that shined the light on ruthless, bloody tyrants. But the group's leaders have wandered off the path if they think that President Bush is the planet's big bad guy. This is a man who has sent troops to risk their lives protecting U.S. interests, but also to free Afghans and Iraqis from tyrants. And Amnesty doesn't care.

No, the folks at Amnesty International are too pumped up with the conceit -- shared by some of my brethren in the media -- that without Amnesty International, U.S. troops would be torturing every prisoner in sight.

Indeed, Amnesty reported that "torture and ill-treatment by U.S.-led forces were widely reported." The word torture is being overused, and the fact that charges are "widely reported" does not make them all true.

Be it noted that the Pentagon already had investigated abuses and charged bad actors at the Abu Ghraib prison before the story broke. Ditto with soldiers involved in the wrongful death of two Afghan prisoners, a story featured in The New York Times last month.

Of course, the Pentagon acted quickly. Mistreatment of enemy combatants invites mistreatment of U.S. troops when captured -- if not in Iraq today, then somewhere else in the future. Some of the victims were completely innocent -- which makes their suffering doubly wrong. As Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. -- who as a former prisoner of war in Vietnam would know -- recently told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, "Torture doesn't work."

When a practice is morally wrong, dangerous to U.S. troops and ineffective, the Pentagon doesn't need to be told to eradicate it.

But there are other issues at stake -- like the war.

Amnesty called on the Pentagon to close Gitmo and either charge or release all the prisoners there. Bad idea, countered Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Twelve of the 200 detainees who had been released from Gitmo "have already been caught back on the battlefield, involved in efforts to kidnap and kill Americans." He has an obligation to his troops to not release back to Afghanistan or Iraq someone who will try to kill them.

Then there's Amnesty's insistence on pinning all mistreatment on the top brass, despite the fact, as noted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Richard B. Myers at a press conference last week, that abuses took place "on one shift in Abu Ghraib -- not the shift before, not the shift after, but one shift."

Another beef: The word torture is being overused. Amnesty now combines "torture and ill treatment," and lists as examples "beatings with hard objects" -- fair enough, that's torture. But it also adds "ill treatment during arrest, internment and interrogation" and "acts of humiliation with detainees being paraded naked."

That is poor treatment, to be sure. But it is not torture. It doesn't matter if these prisoners were trying to kill them and their buddies two weeks ago. It doesn't matter if Muslim terrorists are blowing up mosques. Still, American G.I.s have to show more respect for Islam than many Muslim fighters display.

It's odd how the left bemoans "the desecration of the Koran." An investigation found that five U.S. personnel may have mishandled the holy book. There has been no substantiation of charges that any American flushed the Koran down a toilet. Still, Bush-haters are outraged.

It wasn't too long ago that conservative Christians were enraged that the federal government funded an exhibition with a crucifix in urine. That was a matter of free speech, and woe to the taxpayer who dared to complain. So why complain if a U.S. soldier might have treated the Koran as poorly as a U.S.-funded artist treated the crucifix?

On Memorial Day, A&E aired "Faith of My Fathers," a television drama based on Sen. McCain's book about his 5-and-a-half-year stint as a POW at the Hanoi Hilton, the infamous prison in North Vietnam. The North Vietnamese beat McCain, they left him hanging by the arms, and in one scene, McCain's captors dunked his head into a trough filled with urine and excrement.

But at least they didn't throw the Bible in the trough. That would have been real torture.

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1 posted on 06/05/2005 5:58:36 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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Amnesty International is self-deluded.

2 posted on 06/05/2005 6:06:11 PM PDT by FreeRep
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Blinded by pathological hatred, driven by self inflated egotistical desire for importance, AI has delivered a fatal blow to it's own credibility.

If the US pulled the protection they are given, they wouldn't be able to hide from the real bad guys anywhere on this planet.

3 posted on 06/05/2005 6:08:06 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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Can someone please explain to me how such mentally retarded people have populated organizations like Amnesty and the UN?

4 posted on 06/05/2005 6:13:15 PM PDT by Tempestuous
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To: Tempestuous

Why would a sane person join either one?

5 posted on 06/05/2005 6:17:00 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Tempestuous
Communists look around for any place they can get a salary for spreading propaganda. They spend their whole lives waiting in line to fill such positions. They have no other function in life. Whenever the last idealist retires or the last time server gets a better job, the communist steps into his sinecure, and spouts lies for the rest of his life. Never leaving. Hiring others like him to take his place.

The strategy was detailed by an Italian communist named Gramsci way back in the 1930s, when the left concluded the proletariat wasn't going to back their world revolution voluntarily. The substitute was, systematic gradual infiltration of all institutions that form political opinion, from the schools to these sorts of non-goverment organizations to non-profit foundations to government bureaucracies.

The original model for this came from their take over of various labor unions. They just realized the tactics used for that would work for other institutions besides unions, and since the working class wasn't buying the revolution they were selling, they "generalized" the tactic to anything they could grab.

US academia went that way starting in the 1960s, and accelerating as those who got their degrees at that time, got tenure. They have been producing indoctrinated cadres since then. Journalism was a prime target - you can see what the MSM is like as a result. Our primary schools are failing because the same process wrecked educational realism with ideological curiculuum changes.

They've done the same thing to a number of so called "main line", aka "liberal", protestant churches. Liberation theology types tried to do the same in catholic organizations in some regions - though less so in recent years. They have also done it within political parties, dragging center left parties in the US and in Europe toward the hard left, over time.

Anywhere there is a position not accountable to a fair and open vote, nor to market discipline about efficiency and objective realism, that also promises any sort of political, cultural, or ideological influence, you will find them.

The present head of AI is a leftist Muslim woman from Pakistan.

6 posted on 06/05/2005 7:26:01 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC

Thanks for the info. Seems to me that it is high time the forces of truth to re-infiltrate these organizations and take them back. Best place to start is right here at home.

7 posted on 06/06/2005 3:45:56 AM PDT by Tempestuous
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To: Tempestuous
Sure. But what rational, productive person wants to live and work surrounded by hostile ideologues in a setting insulated from reality and objective measures of merit, after they have all the local institutional levers of power in their hands? The president of Harvard isn't a conservative, and you'd think a university president had some autonomy if not real influence over his own institution. But in fact, he is persecuted by PC know-nothings just for his thoughts. Do you want to sit through 20 years of faculty committee meetings with a diversity of mountebanks uniformly screeching the same worn out hyper political nonsense? Men who want to reseach might want an acacemic position, but they'd want it precisely to be free to do research, not this stuff. They exit (to industry, or think tanks), or look for a department in their specialty that hasn't been overrun.

It works simply by making life exasperating for anyone who isn't one of them. Serious people expect to accomplish something in their life, and avoid apparently avoidable confrontation. There was a time when politicians got interested and tried to root this sort of thing out - and ever since the left screams "McCarthy" at the slightest hint of accountability. To actually address it, you have to do unpleasant things like refuse cooperation on anything, with anyone with outrageous opinions. In practice what we do instead is build new parallel institutions and avoid the captured ones. In "new media" for example. Start a Fox, instead of trying to "capture" CNN.

8 posted on 06/06/2005 6:38:39 AM PDT by JasonC
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Besides being a Kennedy/Kerry supporter, the AI guy Wallace interviewed on Fox yesterday is a left-wing goofball/loony from way back. He is also an ordained Unitarian Universalist "minister", which is a left-wing pacifistic, un-American organization fronting as a church.

9 posted on 06/06/2005 7:08:26 AM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: DocH
As Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. -- who as a former prisoner of war in Vietnam would know -- recently told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, "Torture doesn't work."

Yes it does Johnny-BOY...

It makes you a brain-dead, ball-less RINO who will do what the communist North Vietnamese, and other such regimes around the world would LOVE to have, but can't accomplish themselves - the destruction of America...

albeit, slowly from WITHIN by INSIDE enemies posing as "Americans", instead of quickly in one fell swoop by our outside enemies.

10 posted on 06/06/2005 7:17:06 AM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: FreeRep
Of course, but this has nothing to do with Amnesty International.

It has to do with the LEFTIST DEM ORGANIZATIONS in NY, who have crowned themselves the MSM.

If they were really working for the public, they would have shot down this report as a partisan document.

Instead they reported it loudly, claiming AI was a "respected" human rights org.

This is/was planned and coordinated.

This is a civil war, and our soldiers lives and reputations are being smeared while we sit and do nothing.

The Pres and Rummy have said all they could, it is we who need to plan and become activists.
11 posted on 06/06/2005 7:18:03 AM PDT by roses of sharon (,)
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meant to post #10 to CHARLITE.

12 posted on 06/06/2005 7:18:28 AM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: JasonC
The present head of AI is a leftist Muslim woman from Pakistan.

Bears repeating...
13 posted on 06/06/2005 7:24:07 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (If you must filibuster, it's because you don't have the votes to win honestly)
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To: Tempestuous
>Can someone please explain to me how such mentally retarded people have populated organizations like Amnesty and the UN?< They're Liberals. Like all Libs, they're Internationalist, and they're Marxist/Socialist. What did you think?
14 posted on 06/07/2005 12:54:40 PM PDT by YHAOS
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