Islam Is Gaining a Foothold in Chiapas

Der Spiegel (Ger.) ^ | 05/28/05 | Jens Glüsing

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

I stand corrected. My pre-coffee brain wasn't firing on all cylinders. Of course there is a "caste" system within Dar-es-Islam, with Arabs being at the top of the heap. Plus, there is extreme animosity between the various factions (Sunni, Shia, etc.).

I think this Mayan fellow's bubble would burst pretty quickly if he tried to live in the Middle East.

[A Ruckus of Dogs]

"In Islam, the Indians rediscover their original values," claims Esteban Lopez, the Spanish secretary general of the Muslim community."

Why don't they rediscover their original values by going back to worshipping Kulkulcan?

[A Ruckus of Dogs]

Speaking of which, who are all these white people the article mentions? Are these hispanic Mexicans temporarily given the "white" monicker by the author because they're racist, or are there Caucasian subcultures living in the area?

The Caucausians are the direct descendants of the original Spanish colonists who have not intermarried with the Indians. They tend to be wealthier and therefore do not migrate to the US. Turn on any Mexican soap opera on the Spanish language channels - you'll see that they get most of the leads.

[Gritty]

But the Indians have no interest in political extremism... and they preach a literal interpretation of the Koran

These are mutually exclusive agendas!

[Destro]

"In Islam, the Indians rediscover their original values," claims Esteban Lopez, the Spanish secretary general of the Muslim community. "The Christians destroyed their culture."

Does he mean human sacrifice to the moon god?

[purpleland]

Chiapas, I beleieve, has not been so much Catholic in the regular sense, but more of the Marxist Liberation Theology religion which is CINO (Catholic In Name Only). The politicized Christ never lasts more than one generation.

***Chiapas is a Trotsky (communist) holdout.
Old Trotskites plus Muslims = Bad News
Mexico's President Fox deserves a Trotsky/Muslim uprising.

[cloud8]

> Poor indigenous Mexicans can't afford to make several trips to the Middle East, and this article indicates he's made at least one.

Excellent point. We're still paying off the Disneyworld trip from 4 years ago, and haven't been anywhere since :) I wonder who is funding the poor indigenous Chiapa Indians?

[Dajjal]

Jihad ping

[I got the rope]

I've been there. Lots of poor Indians have been enslaved by Catholic mysticism, curanderas, etc. The place is ripe for protestant evangelism and armed insurrection.

The government has been stealing their land and abusing these people for a loooong time with the help of the Catholic church.

[G-Man 1]

Read THE LIFE AND RELIGION OF MOHAMMED THE PROPHET OF ARABIA, by Rev.J.L. Menezes can be purchased from Human Events paper. Will curl your hair.

[muir_redwoods]

Great, Muslim Mexicans. Now can we deport the illegals?

[NYer]

Catholic Ping
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[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Islam has always been a great unifier for killing and stealing off everybody else. That is why it is so seductive. The details such as rituals are a way to tell "us" from "them", but could have been anything. The important thing is to create an "us" and a "them".

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Why don't they rediscover their original values by going back to worshipping Kulkulcan?

Don't you understand that "Kulkulcan" was brought to America by babylon-exiled Jewish sailors and imposed on these people who were all originally pure Adamic Muslims?

At least that will be the official dogma five minutes after one of them reads this ;-)

[stripes1776]

"In Islam, the Indians rediscover their original values,"

The Indians find their original culture in a puritanical Arabic, Islamic culture? This is laughable. What they find is revenge for Europeans supplanting their own inferior culture.

There I go. I committed the supreme heresy of multiculturalism and diverity ideology. I placed cultures in a hierachy, judging one superior to another.

[AdmSmith]

They belong to the Sunni, Murabitun sect that was founded by the Scotsman Ian Dallas and is seen as an offshoot of a Moroccan religious order. The Murabitun followers represent a sort of primal Islam: Earning interest profits through money lending is a no-no and they preach a literal interpretation of the Koran.

"The see themselves as restorers of Islam," says the anthropologist Gaspar Morquecho.

In a Koran school, children learn Arabic and five times a day they pray in the backroom of a residential building.

This is a strange sect:

In 1991, Vadillo and Dallas had produced a "Fatwa Concerning the Islamic Prohibition of Using Paper-Money as a Medium of Exchange."

http://www.livingislam.org/o/murb_e.html


But what Vadillo objects to, and in no uncertain terms, is modern money itself. "After examining all the aspects of paper money," he writes, "in the Light of the Qur'an and the Sunna, we declare that the use of paper money in any form of exchange is usury and therefore haram."

Naturally, you can't comply with the fatwa merely by paying with plastic instead of paper. Paper money is a usurious cheat, Vadillo argues, largely because it has become "nothing but a pure symbol with no reality attached except the imposition of law." And since that same unreality undergirds the entire monetary system, the only honest way to escape its taint is to strive for the entire system's destruction. The fatwa, in short, is a call to financial jihad, and the struggle, Vadillo predicts, will be an unconventional one. Muslim information warriors will hack into banking networks and "transfer money at random." They will create dummy companies and "absorb debt that will never be paid back." They will "raid" the diamond and gold markets, which, according to Sheikh Abdalqadir's way of thinking, represent the hoarded wealth of the world's great usurers, the Jews.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.01/egold.html?pg=4


read more about them at this site http://murabitun.cyberummah.org/ written by a former Murabitun member.


The Spanish Murabitun community,the Comunidad Islamica en Espana http://www.cislamica.org based in Granada, Spain, where it helped finance the Albaicín mosque inaugurated in July 2003 has the strongest ties to the Mexican community. The Spanish missionary Mohammed Nafia, now emir of the Comunidad Islamica en México, arrived in the Mexican state of Chiapas shortly after the Zapatista uprising. After some unsuccessful attempts at converting members of the Zapatista movement, he managed to convince Domingo Lopez Angel, the leader of a Protestant organization whose members or their parents had been expelled from their homes in nearby San Juan Chamula by Catholic traditionalists, to convert to Islam and join the Murabitun movement. Members of this community now live in the poorest areas of San Cristóbal.

[nuconvert]

"This is a strange sect"

I'll say.
"Sunni, Murabitun sect that was founded by the Scotsman Ian Dallas and is seen as an offshoot of a Moroccan religious order"

That was enough to convince me.

"Members of this community now live in the poorest areas of San Cristóbal."

And with their weird money phobia, they'll stay that way.

[Varda]

My husband was on a missionary trip to this area last year. It is still Catholic, this despite the influence of the leftist Catholic clergy that likes to go down there.

Three hundred people converting to Islam in YEARS of proselytizing doesn't seem like much of a story.

[jec1ny]

"Jesuits will be dispatched to end the heresy."

Jesuits are not the bastion of orthodoxy they once were. They are a good example of the axiom that the higher one climbs the farther you can fall. The Jesuits are are among the most liberal orders in the Catholic Church today.

[sheik yerbouty]

In fact, there is bigotry within Islam. Arabs look down on non Arabs, and to the dismay of some black African Muslims in the Sudan, they are referred to, and treated as "abed" which means "slave". In Arabic, it is synonymous with "black". There are also numerous other instances of intra Islamic bigotry.
I would describe "dar al Islam" as "Anarchic Tribalism", in which to outsiders they are one ummah. Within themselves, it's "I against my brothers; my brothers and I against my father....etcetera.