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Lutheran Group Backs Gay Ordination (WI)
AP via Madison.com ^ | June 6, 2005 | Staff Writer

Posted on 06/06/2005 1:06:41 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

Bishop: We're united amid differences

MILWAUKEE, WI (AP) - The Greater Milwaukee Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has passed a resolution recommending the Churchwide Assembly permit gays and lesbians in committed relationships to be ordained.

Bishop Paul Stumme-Diers said it was important to maintain unity within the church.

"We are committed to remaining united even amid our differences, recognizing our center is not on our opinions but rather it is in Christ," he said.

The recommendation was passed at its annual meeting Saturday.

It is one of up to 65 that are expected to be delivered to the Churchwide Assembly, which in August will consider whether to bless same-sex unions and whether to allow homosexuals to serve as pastors, associates in ministry, deaconesses and diaconal ministers.

(In Madison, a representative of the South Central Synod of Wisconsin said that the group did not take up the issue during its annual meeting last month.)

The issue of homosexual unions and pastors has been discussed by the Greater Milwaukee Synod since the late 1990s. Homosexual issues have also been intensely debated by other denominations and were controversial in the recent presidential election.

Nearly 20 synods held regional meetings this weekend, and it was unclear how many other synods have passed similar resolutions, said John Brooks, a national spokesman for the ELCA, whose headquarters are in Chicago.

The resolution components that will be recommended to the Churchwide Assembly are:

• That individual congregations be allowed to disagree about whether to accept homosexual members and pastors.

• That homosexuals in committed relationships be allowed to serve as leaders.

• That individual congregations be allowed to decide whether to bless committed same-sex unions.

Pastor Jennifer Thomas, 32, of Lake Park Lutheran Church in Milwaukee, said she was pleased with the results.

"I believe the Gospel of Christ calls us to fully include everyone in the church. Homosexuality is not a sin," Thomas said.

But Pastor Jay Thorson, 45, of Shepherd of the Hills Lutheran Church in Hubertus, disagreed with the vote and said homosexuality is a sin.

"I see the entire Bible as the inspired word of God. (Ordination of homosexuals) violates our understanding of the use of Scripture," he said.

For the Churchwide Assembly to revise national ELCA policies, two-thirds of the 1,100 voting delegates would have to approve a change.

The ELCA has 96,000 baptized members and 141 congregations in the Greater Milwaukee Synod, making it one of the largest Christian denominations in the area, second to the Catholic Church.

Nationwide and in the Caribbean, the ELCA has 5 million baptized members and 11,000 congregations.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: apostacy; apostasy; apostate; cino; elca; homosexualagenda; lutheran; lutherans; mainlineprotestant; religiousleft; samesexmarriage
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I left the Lutheran Church two years ago because it looked like it was leaving me. And leave me it did. :(
1 posted on 06/06/2005 1:06:41 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; All

It's really sad what they're trying to stick on Christ these days.


2 posted on 06/06/2005 1:07:32 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Egads!


3 posted on 06/06/2005 1:08:04 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

And the Lutheran's show again that they haven't been on message since Martin Luther himself...


4 posted on 06/06/2005 1:09:08 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay; TonyRo76

***And the Lutheran's show again that they haven't been on message since Martin Luther himself...***

Let's not confuse the ELCA with the LCMS.....


5 posted on 06/06/2005 1:11:04 PM PDT by Gamecock (We don't beat "nice" people to a bloody pulp, nail them onto a cross and then watch them suffocate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Come home to Rome, Lutherans.
6 posted on 06/06/2005 1:11:04 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Looks like God's separating the sheep from the goats.


7 posted on 06/06/2005 1:11:39 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: blueblazes

"I believe the Gospel of Christ calls us to fully include everyone in the church. Homosexuality is not a sin," Thomas said."

Well, the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. But why believe the Bible - let's just all make up our own rules to live by. By the way, does anyone know if the Lutheran Church is growing in the US or going down hill? I go to a Baptist Church and we welcome everyone but no way we would ever ordain a homosexual minister.


8 posted on 06/06/2005 1:13:06 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

This is sad. I have come to the opinion these folks work with the ACLU mentality. They know it will take decades but they will keep hammering at American churches until they allow the ordination of homosexuals as "normal" behavior. Which of course splits the denominations. So a sad day indeed. I doubt they get the 2/3rd's vote this time. But this will not be the last we hear of this. They will stay at it for the long haul.I hope the church is prepared for that.


9 posted on 06/06/2005 1:13:53 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: wideawake
Come home to Rome, Lutherans.

This one did, about 23 years ago. And it truly did feel as if I came home.

10 posted on 06/06/2005 1:13:57 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Where did you go? I've about had it with the ELCA myself.


11 posted on 06/06/2005 1:13:57 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
My Mom and Dad were Lutherans for about 15 years. The Lutheran churches in our area are nothing but a bunch of religious country clubs, where the focus is less on Christ's teachings than on your social status - the type of car you drive, how expensive your home is, your net worth, etc.

They quit in disgust and never went back. They became members of an Assembly of God church and couldn't have been happier.
12 posted on 06/06/2005 1:15:14 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The theory of evolution is the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century - Michael Denton)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I recently left a Lutheran Brethren (you're up north, are you familiar with them?) congregation for the ELCA church I was baptized in down here in Texas. They seem pretty conservative to me. I guess I just got the luck of the draw.


13 posted on 06/06/2005 1:15:22 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (<a HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com">Fruits and Nuts</a>)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
>I left the Lutheran Church two years ago because it looked like it was leaving me. And leave me it did. :(

So? The church will lose
thousands of Christians. It will
gain dozens of gays!

14 posted on 06/06/2005 1:15:26 PM PDT by theFIRMbss (:-)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Good for Pastor Jay! Another denomination down the tubes.


15 posted on 06/06/2005 1:16:19 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Homosexuality is not a sin

Hmmmm.... someone's in for a surprise.

16 posted on 06/06/2005 1:16:29 PM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: wideawake

Rome has its share of homosexuals, too.


17 posted on 06/06/2005 1:16:55 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: mlc9852

An SBC church opened up here recently, I might give it a look see. My old country Lutheran church is as it always was, very conservative, but it's an hour drive out there and I tend to be a bit groggy on Sunday mornings from time to time. I've been attending a local Lutheran, but it's almost as bad as this Milwaukee synod looks to be.


18 posted on 06/06/2005 1:17:10 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: reagan_fanatic

And it's probably livelier, too! I was episcopalian (and other denominations until I found the one I'm in now) and I couldn't be happier to be out of the 'so called' mainstream.


19 posted on 06/06/2005 1:18:45 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Bishop Paul Stumme-Diers said it was important to maintain unity within the church

Yeah, hold hands with a fister who just explored someone's you-know-what and sing Kumbaya.

20 posted on 06/06/2005 1:19:19 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: theFIRMbss

What's with all of these
Haikus? Are you going for
a record or what?


21 posted on 06/06/2005 1:19:39 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (<a HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com">Fruits and Nuts</a>)
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To: Marysecretary
Rome has its share of homosexuals, too.

Of course. In an organization of a billion people it's hard to avoid.

But the Church's pastors haven't issued any statements recommending such folks for leadership.

22 posted on 06/06/2005 1:19:41 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: lightman

LOL


23 posted on 06/06/2005 1:20:16 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

Uhhhh....has someone discovered a Commandment that reads "If it feels good, thou shalt do it?" Or perhaps one that reads "Thou shalt bugger thy neighbor"? Just curious......


24 posted on 06/06/2005 1:20:31 PM PDT by NRA1995 (Support your local Minutemen)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Try the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS).
It’s a Lutheran church that still believes what Martin Luther did.


25 posted on 06/06/2005 1:20:40 PM PDT by tractorman
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To: wideawake

They just turned the other way and let them keep on preaching.


26 posted on 06/06/2005 1:21:17 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (<a HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com">Fruits and Nuts</a>)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I have to post this every time another Lutheran synod goes over to the dark side. These liberal synods are only a part of the Lutheran denomination.

I am a lifelong Lutheran in the LCMS (Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod) which is holding firm in the faith of our fathers.

Those who are leaving the liberal synods should immediately join a LCMS congregation to remain on the light side.

I love the Catholic Church also, but the Lutherans have better hymns, LOL.

Leni

27 posted on 06/06/2005 1:21:33 PM PDT by MinuteGal (I Feel Like I'm Diagonally Parked in a Parallel Universe)
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To: ladtx

Good. We need guys like you.


28 posted on 06/06/2005 1:22:59 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: mlc9852

I think in general the truly conservative churches are GAINING members and the more liberal ones are losing. Can you imagine Martin Luther's reaction if he could see what his church was looking like nowadays?


29 posted on 06/06/2005 1:23:33 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: Jim 0216

This separates those who entered the ministry because they loved God and God's righteousness from those who entered the ministry because THEY wanted to be loved and admired.


30 posted on 06/06/2005 1:24:42 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: SoDak

"Where did you go? I've about had it with the ELCA myself."

Haven't found a home, yet. My mom went Methodist years ago, but that was only because she was kicked out of our Lutheran church for her "affair" with a guy she later married. (I'm so proud! *Rolleyes*) I've attended her church and there is too much goofing around for me. All potatoes, no meat.

If you think of something, let me know. Not sure if I can go the whole Catholic length, but it's under consideration.


31 posted on 06/06/2005 1:24:52 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: MinuteGal

Hey, my Catholic hymnal has "Nun Danken wir Gott" and "A Mighty Fortress" and just about every Protestant hymn I can think of.


32 posted on 06/06/2005 1:25:56 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: MinuteGal
I love the Catholic Church also, but the Lutherans have better hymns, LOL.

As a former Lutheran and now a Catholic I agree. ;o)

33 posted on 06/06/2005 1:26:34 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: mlc9852
But why believe the Bible - let's just all make up our own rules to live by.

They apparently saw the title "Living Bible" and got confused.

34 posted on 06/06/2005 1:30:48 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: MinuteGal

Leni:

I agree about the hymns. Why don't you come back to Rome and lend your song to us! :)


35 posted on 06/06/2005 1:31:26 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: tractorman

Thanks. I've heard of them, and there is a church in the area. Yippee! I can be an real "Evangelical" instead of just being accused of being one by my socialist BIL, LOL! ;)


36 posted on 06/06/2005 1:33:29 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
They just turned the other way and let them keep on preaching.

Correction: some turned the other way and we heard it in the newspapers.

But there were no newspaper articles about the ones who took steps to prevent such individuals from corrupting the ministry.

We all know about how Cardinal Law failed. We never hear about how Bishop Bruskewitz succeeded.

37 posted on 06/06/2005 1:34:07 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; All

This reminds me of one of my favorite NT passages, Matthew 7-19: 21. "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." I guess Christ foresaw the Lutherans.


38 posted on 06/06/2005 1:34:08 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

We Catholics would welcome you with open arms (a former Congregationalist)! My opinion is somewhat like Ben Franklin -- we Christians had better hang together -- or hang separately! Christians are under seige!


39 posted on 06/06/2005 1:35:30 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: wideawake
We never hear about how Bishop Bruskewitz succeeded...

Some of us are quite aware of Bp Bruskewitz' success. Trouple is, some of the hierarchy don't want to hear about it.

40 posted on 06/06/2005 1:37:04 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Pastor Jennifer Thomas, 32, of Lake Park Lutheran Church in Milwaukee, said she was pleased with the results. "I believe the Gospel of Christ calls us to fully include everyone in the church. Homosexuality is not a sin," Thomas said.

How does Jennifer explain what happened to Sodom and Gommarah(sp?)

41 posted on 06/06/2005 1:37:48 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (June 14th Defeat a Dewine. OH-2 www.gobrinkman.com)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Does this mean Lutherans are converting to Episcopalianism?


42 posted on 06/06/2005 1:39:14 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Not sure if I can go the whole Catholic length, but it's under consideration.

As a former Lutheran I can say, give it some serious thought. I was born and raised a Lutheran and stayed that way until I was 36 and converted to RC. I'm glad I did. Do a little research into it with an open mind and I think you will be glad you did. (I'll get off my soapbox now) :o)

43 posted on 06/06/2005 1:39:14 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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I'll tell you. Her pat answer is that Sodom and Gomorrha were destroyed because of their poor hospitality to their guests.

This is the generic answer from these individuals.

44 posted on 06/06/2005 1:39:20 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

Once you get started
with this Haiku posting form,
it's darned hard to stop!


45 posted on 06/06/2005 1:39:24 PM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Please try it, you won't be sorry.

If you wouldn't mind, FReepmail me after you go and give me your thoughts.

Regards,
tractorman


46 posted on 06/06/2005 1:42:41 PM PDT by tractorman
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To: wideawake
Well, seeing as the sin of Onan was reinturpreted to mean disobedience

I guess changing the sin of Sodom to 'lack of hospitality' isn't any more or less ridiculous.

47 posted on 06/06/2005 1:42:56 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (June 14th Defeat a Dewine. OH-2 www.gobrinkman.com)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

"It was fun being Christian but we've decided to move on(.org)."


48 posted on 06/06/2005 1:45:36 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: theFIRMbss

Yes, but gays are invaluable for organizations such as churches which gain so much of their income through bequeathing. Gays typically have a lot of money, no children or spouses, and they die quickly.


49 posted on 06/06/2005 1:46:16 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Stick to WI Synod you be aww'ite

That liberal Milwaukee Synod try to run ole Navy-Marine Tet 68
Chaplin Stuebe out years ago...for bein' too Lutheran like.

IIRC


50 posted on 06/06/2005 1:46:49 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Taglines often reveal a lot about the inner person...)
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