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Lutheran Group Backs Gay Ordination (WI)
AP via Madison.com ^ | June 6, 2005 | Staff Writer

Posted on 06/06/2005 1:06:41 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

Bishop: We're united amid differences

MILWAUKEE, WI (AP) - The Greater Milwaukee Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has passed a resolution recommending the Churchwide Assembly permit gays and lesbians in committed relationships to be ordained.

Bishop Paul Stumme-Diers said it was important to maintain unity within the church.

"We are committed to remaining united even amid our differences, recognizing our center is not on our opinions but rather it is in Christ," he said.

The recommendation was passed at its annual meeting Saturday.

It is one of up to 65 that are expected to be delivered to the Churchwide Assembly, which in August will consider whether to bless same-sex unions and whether to allow homosexuals to serve as pastors, associates in ministry, deaconesses and diaconal ministers.

(In Madison, a representative of the South Central Synod of Wisconsin said that the group did not take up the issue during its annual meeting last month.)

The issue of homosexual unions and pastors has been discussed by the Greater Milwaukee Synod since the late 1990s. Homosexual issues have also been intensely debated by other denominations and were controversial in the recent presidential election.

Nearly 20 synods held regional meetings this weekend, and it was unclear how many other synods have passed similar resolutions, said John Brooks, a national spokesman for the ELCA, whose headquarters are in Chicago.

The resolution components that will be recommended to the Churchwide Assembly are:

• That individual congregations be allowed to disagree about whether to accept homosexual members and pastors.

• That homosexuals in committed relationships be allowed to serve as leaders.

• That individual congregations be allowed to decide whether to bless committed same-sex unions.

Pastor Jennifer Thomas, 32, of Lake Park Lutheran Church in Milwaukee, said she was pleased with the results.

"I believe the Gospel of Christ calls us to fully include everyone in the church. Homosexuality is not a sin," Thomas said.

But Pastor Jay Thorson, 45, of Shepherd of the Hills Lutheran Church in Hubertus, disagreed with the vote and said homosexuality is a sin.

"I see the entire Bible as the inspired word of God. (Ordination of homosexuals) violates our understanding of the use of Scripture," he said.

For the Churchwide Assembly to revise national ELCA policies, two-thirds of the 1,100 voting delegates would have to approve a change.

The ELCA has 96,000 baptized members and 141 congregations in the Greater Milwaukee Synod, making it one of the largest Christian denominations in the area, second to the Catholic Church.

Nationwide and in the Caribbean, the ELCA has 5 million baptized members and 11,000 congregations.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: apostacy; apostasy; apostate; cino; elca; homosexualagenda; lutheran; lutherans; mainlineprotestant; religiousleft; samesexmarriage
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I left the Lutheran Church two years ago because it looked like it was leaving me. And leave me it did. :(
1 posted on 06/06/2005 1:06:41 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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It's really sad what they're trying to stick on Christ these days.


2 posted on 06/06/2005 1:07:32 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Egads!


3 posted on 06/06/2005 1:08:04 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

And the Lutheran's show again that they haven't been on message since Martin Luther himself...


4 posted on 06/06/2005 1:09:08 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay; TonyRo76

***And the Lutheran's show again that they haven't been on message since Martin Luther himself...***

Let's not confuse the ELCA with the LCMS.....


5 posted on 06/06/2005 1:11:04 PM PDT by Gamecock (We don't beat "nice" people to a bloody pulp, nail them onto a cross and then watch them suffocate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Come home to Rome, Lutherans.
6 posted on 06/06/2005 1:11:04 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Looks like God's separating the sheep from the goats.


7 posted on 06/06/2005 1:11:39 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: blueblazes

"I believe the Gospel of Christ calls us to fully include everyone in the church. Homosexuality is not a sin," Thomas said."

Well, the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. But why believe the Bible - let's just all make up our own rules to live by. By the way, does anyone know if the Lutheran Church is growing in the US or going down hill? I go to a Baptist Church and we welcome everyone but no way we would ever ordain a homosexual minister.


8 posted on 06/06/2005 1:13:06 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

This is sad. I have come to the opinion these folks work with the ACLU mentality. They know it will take decades but they will keep hammering at American churches until they allow the ordination of homosexuals as "normal" behavior. Which of course splits the denominations. So a sad day indeed. I doubt they get the 2/3rd's vote this time. But this will not be the last we hear of this. They will stay at it for the long haul.I hope the church is prepared for that.


9 posted on 06/06/2005 1:13:53 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: wideawake
Come home to Rome, Lutherans.

This one did, about 23 years ago. And it truly did feel as if I came home.

10 posted on 06/06/2005 1:13:57 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Where did you go? I've about had it with the ELCA myself.


11 posted on 06/06/2005 1:13:57 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
My Mom and Dad were Lutherans for about 15 years. The Lutheran churches in our area are nothing but a bunch of religious country clubs, where the focus is less on Christ's teachings than on your social status - the type of car you drive, how expensive your home is, your net worth, etc.

They quit in disgust and never went back. They became members of an Assembly of God church and couldn't have been happier.
12 posted on 06/06/2005 1:15:14 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The theory of evolution is the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century - Michael Denton)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I recently left a Lutheran Brethren (you're up north, are you familiar with them?) congregation for the ELCA church I was baptized in down here in Texas. They seem pretty conservative to me. I guess I just got the luck of the draw.


13 posted on 06/06/2005 1:15:22 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (<a HREF="http://www.democraticunderground.com">Fruits and Nuts</a>)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
>I left the Lutheran Church two years ago because it looked like it was leaving me. And leave me it did. :(

So? The church will lose
thousands of Christians. It will
gain dozens of gays!

14 posted on 06/06/2005 1:15:26 PM PDT by theFIRMbss (:-)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Good for Pastor Jay! Another denomination down the tubes.


15 posted on 06/06/2005 1:16:19 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Homosexuality is not a sin

Hmmmm.... someone's in for a surprise.

16 posted on 06/06/2005 1:16:29 PM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: wideawake

Rome has its share of homosexuals, too.


17 posted on 06/06/2005 1:16:55 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: mlc9852

An SBC church opened up here recently, I might give it a look see. My old country Lutheran church is as it always was, very conservative, but it's an hour drive out there and I tend to be a bit groggy on Sunday mornings from time to time. I've been attending a local Lutheran, but it's almost as bad as this Milwaukee synod looks to be.


18 posted on 06/06/2005 1:17:10 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: reagan_fanatic

And it's probably livelier, too! I was episcopalian (and other denominations until I found the one I'm in now) and I couldn't be happier to be out of the 'so called' mainstream.


19 posted on 06/06/2005 1:18:45 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Bishop Paul Stumme-Diers said it was important to maintain unity within the church

Yeah, hold hands with a fister who just explored someone's you-know-what and sing Kumbaya.

20 posted on 06/06/2005 1:19:19 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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