Skip to comments.Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records (Navy provided them to Boston Globe)
Posted on 06/06/2005 11:05:28 PM PDT by FairOpinion
Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records.
The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.
The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry's military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions.
(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...
So typically, now the RATS can say "Look! The Republicans were wrong! Kerry released them, and they are clean!" It only took 2 years of cleaning them up enough to make them benign to his political career. Pathetic traitor, that Kerry. Nothing will convince me otherwise.
We called for Kerry to execute a form which would permit anyone to examine his full and unexpulgated military records at the Navy Department and the National Personnel Records Center. Instead he executed a form permitting his hometown paper to obtain the records currently at the Navy Department. The Navy Department previously indicated its records did not include various materials. This is hardly what we called for. If he did execute a complete release of all records we could then answer questions such as (1)Did he ever receive orders to Cambodia or file any report of such a mission (whether at Christmas or otherwise); (2) What was his discharge status between 1970 and 1978 (when he received a discharge) and was it affected by his meetings in 1970 and 1971 with the North Vietnamese? (3)why did he receive much later citations for medals purportedly signed by Secretary Lehman who said he did not know of them; (4) Are there Hostile Fire and Personnel Injured by Hostile Fire Reports for Kerry's Dec. 1968 Purple Heart (when the officer in charge of the boat Admiral Schacte, the treating Surgeon Louis Letsos, and Kerry's Division Commander deny there was hostile fire causing a scratch) awarded three months later under unknown circumstances.
I think he's just been busted.
That's what I am thinking. If there is anything to this it's the Clintoons that are behind bringing it out in the MSM.
Poor Johnny Boy was once the medias shinning star but.... alas.....he may now have been discarded by necessity.
Good points, all, and a very nice summation.
Sounds like a load of BS if you ask me. But what do I know?......
Worth repeating, from John O'Neill --- PING to this post for what REALLY was and was NOT released with Kerry's signed form 180:
[best irate Jack Nicholson voice] "TRUTH? You can't handle the truth!!!
"Something doesn't sound right. I don't think you can sign a 180 and limit who gets access to your records. Tonk, am I right on this?"
It's all BS!
Your FOIA request went in when?
'one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;" is ''the acknowledged leader of his peer group;" and is ''highly recommended for promotion."
You're right on ... standard boiler-plate on all OER's (Officer Efficiency Report)
The wording gets changed with different services, but like you said standard boilerplate on all ER's. The voices of experience speak.
What exactly does an "undeleted" copy mean ??
It means "altered."
He may as well released them to himself.
And including the numerous discrepancies and unresolved issues that were never explained by Kerry the first time around--for instance:
. . .the paperwork for Kerrys Silver Star contains puzzling discrepancies. According to the original Silver Star citation bearing Admiral Zumwalts signature, Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY leaped ashore, pursued the man behind a hootch and killed him. The original citation was later revised twice, and the two revisions omit any mention of Kerry shooting the man behind the hootch. The third version of the citation bears the signature of Reagan administration Secretary of the Navy John Lehman, who states, It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me.
None necessary - carry on. ;*)
Once again, Kerry is daodging, and the Globe is covering.
The complete set of records for Navy Officers discharged before 1994 are held at the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) in St. Louis. The Navy would have only a partial set in its files. The Globe claims only the Navy release, not the NPRC.
Also, one would need to see this Form 180 to see what records were not to be included, as there is a section in the form for those exclusions. The Globe is coy in not revealing the actual form 180 and the details on it.
Still to be explained are Kerry's wilderness years, 1970-72 and 1974-78, where there seems to be no paper trail of what he did or his points/credit earned. There is also a missing DD 214 which is probably the most important document for a serviceman's records.
Looks like the Globe took a lesson from the Dan Rather School of Obfuscation and Denial.
Here is another opinion on what Kerry released.
Thanks for that link - jFsKerry has his own link. Unbelievable.
Hey, this reminds me of my all time favorite movie..Animal House" with Kerry being that a..hole straight fraternity jerk! Forgot his name, but the end said he got fragged by his troops. ha.
anyone else see the similarity?
MR. RUSSERT: Many people who've been criticizing you have said: Senator, if you would just do one thing and that is sign Form 180, which would allow historians and journalists complete access to all your military records. Thus far, you have gotten the records, released them through your campaign. They say you should not be the filter. Sign Form 180 and let the historians...
SEN. KERRY: I'd be happy to put the records out. We put all the records out that I had been sent by the military. Then at the last moment, they sent some more stuff, which had some things that weren't even relevant to the record. So when we get--I'm going to sit down with them and make sure that they are clear and I am clear as to what is in the record and what isn't in the record and we'll put it out. I have no problem with that.
MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?
SEN. KERRY: But everything, Tim...
MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?
SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will. But everything that we put in it, Tim--everything we put in--I mean, everything that was out was a full documentation of all of the medical records, all of the fitness reports. And I'd call on those who have challenged me, let's see their records. I want to see the records of each of those people who have put up a challenge, because some of them have some serious questions in them, and it hasn't been appropriate...
MR. RUSSERT: So they should sign Form 180s for themselves as well?
SEN. KERRY: You bet.
Why NOW? Well, this dunderhead hasn't been in the spotlight for a while. Like the Sink Emperor, these enormous egos crave the adulation of the media, crowds, seeing their names in lights, in the newspapers, talked about on newsblogs, being the subject of the evening gossip on TV....
He wants his ego stroked... this could have been done before the election, but there wasn't time to get rid of the offending documents... someone is walking around a richer man...
We're talking the Boston Globe here. You don't actually think they're going to print the bad stuff, do you? Think about it. Kerry is a Senator for what state? Hmmm? Boston Globe is also a far left wing fish wrap.
We want ALL the records public. The Boston Globe should print them ALL.
Kerry will never release ALL his records to the public. It'll damn his career. He's no hero, and he'll never allow the Navy to prove it. Never.
Thank God for the Swift Boat Vets, though. They got the real truth out before any serious damage was done.
When it comes to Hillary, we need the Universal Health Care Package she devised released to the public. She has to volunteer it, because a judge dictated those records be hidden, even though at the time she was not elected to any position by the American people - yet they paid for it.
PING!! like this one
"But everything that we put in it, Tim--everything we put in"
This is one time he actually told the truth.
Someone should check those records against the typewriters of the time and against MSWord font.
Not to mention what was taken OUT.
MISTER BLUTARSKY: 0.0!
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son.
You mean Neidermeier?
Thank you so much for that link to Animal House quotes! You just made my day...correction...my week!
I have never gotten tired of that movie. And when they made that flick, the NEVER thought it would be anything big.ha.
And you are the WINNER! Isn't there such a similarity between him and Kerry..just the same type.
And here's the rest of the story:
Maybe he really did want to release the records but had difficulty filling out the paper work, he was a "D" student. Knowing your A B D's is hard on a fella! lol
"I have been yelling since last year that the Navy does not have Kerry's records, nor does DoD."
"The Navy has always been Kerry's hide-out. The Navy is covered by the Privacy Laws. You're a lawyer, right? The SF 180 is generically addressed to the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. These records are 30 to 40 years old. They are history! They do not stay at Navy Personnel Command forever."
"It seems to me that all of Kerry's tortured rhetoric on this subject attests to the fact that he was having his records vetted, in spite of the public claim to openness. How to accomplish this? Tell the NPRC, on the SF 180, that the designated recipient of the records is to be a federal Agency (subject to the Privacy Laws) - the Navy!"
"Then, Kerry or his people get to vet the records at the Navy's offices, allow release of what they want by another required waiver separate from the SF 180, withhold what they don't want out there, and the Navy cannot comment on the process, their holdings - or their withholdings!" more.......
Be sure to read the whole thing, very interesting.
. . . because he is planning to run again in '08 and needs to have a super-sanitized version of his records vetted way ahead of time so it doesn't end up as an issue. Otherwise it makes no sense for him to release his records at this time -- or ever.
Looks like it took all this time to bullet-proof the vetting process. I think it's going to take some extra-ordinary work to piece the real truth together.
Does anyone still believe what they hear from the Boston Globe? What do you think they would say about their boy? Let me guess, "No news here."
Before I look at any documents, I would like to see, the signed and certified copy of the 180. If Kerry actually signed the authorization, any reporter ought to be able get everything. Screw the Globe.
The Boston Globe is the newsletter for the Hanoi Johnny Fan Club. Gimme a break.
How is it; these frauds continue to keep this system; at their disposal to enable their lies.
Why doesn't the Navy at least, offer that it is a less than complete record. . .they do not have to call this latest effort dishonest. . .just some truth here to fill in the potholes of Kerry's record. . .the ones that were there. . .and still remain.
...If he hasn't signed form 180, than this is simply more bullshiite from NVA John...
Likely the latter (more bs).
I'll believe he has signed and submitted form 180 when the Swift Vets say he has. Even then, I'll have to pinch myself to make sure I'm not dreaming.
Considering that he was portrayed as the straight, patriotic, Republican jerk off, no.
Send his DD-214 and discharge to Dan Rather.
No doubt in my mind that his discharge is fishy.
Is this pic of Kerry real? He looks like Gomer Pyle!
I want ALL his military records released.
I think it's a very good analogy. Hey, if you've got nothing to hide, you don't hide anything. That is particularly true when your missing records are causing political fallout for you. No kid ever hid his report card from his parents if the report card showed straight A's.
Whoope Do! He didn't open his records, which one could do via the SF-180, but rather allowed his pet newspaper to have access to them.