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Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records (Navy provided them to Boston Globe)
boston Globe ^ | June 7, 2005 | Michael Kranish

Posted on 06/06/2005 11:05:28 PM PDT by FairOpinion

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To: FairOpinion

BWWWWWwwwwaaaaaaaHAAHAAAAaaaa ping!


151 posted on 06/07/2005 12:40:07 PM PDT by Solamente
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To: Itzlzha

WINNER! LOL!


152 posted on 06/07/2005 12:41:22 PM PDT by Solamente
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To: Auntie Dem

So typically, now the RATS can say "Look! The Republicans were wrong! Kerry released them, and they are clean!" It only took 2 years of cleaning them up enough to make them benign to his political career. Pathetic traitor, that Kerry. Nothing will convince me otherwise.


153 posted on 06/07/2005 12:44:53 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right!
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To: FairOpinion
Blogs For Bush quotes John O'Neill as follows:

We called for Kerry to execute a form which would permit anyone to examine his full and unexpulgated military records at the Navy Department and the National Personnel Records Center. Instead he executed a form permitting his hometown paper to obtain the records currently at the Navy Department. The Navy Department previously indicated its records did not include various materials. This is hardly what we called for. If he did execute a complete release of all records we could then answer questions such as (1)Did he ever receive orders to Cambodia or file any report of such a mission (whether at Christmas or otherwise); (2) What was his discharge status between 1970 and 1978 (when he received a discharge) and was it affected by his meetings in 1970 and 1971 with the North Vietnamese? (3)why did he receive much later citations for medals purportedly signed by Secretary Lehman who said he did not know of them; (4) Are there Hostile Fire and Personnel Injured by Hostile Fire Reports for Kerry's Dec. 1968 Purple Heart (when the officer in charge of the boat Admiral Schacte, the treating Surgeon Louis Letsos, and Kerry's Division Commander deny there was hostile fire causing a scratch) awarded three months later under unknown circumstances.

I think he's just been busted.

154 posted on 06/07/2005 12:56:53 PM PDT by MikeJ
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To: Carling
...and the MSM will actually report it if Queen Hillary's aides bring it to their attention.

That's what I am thinking. If there is anything to this it's the Clintoons that are behind bringing it out in the MSM.

Poor Johnny Boy was once the medias shinning star but.... alas.....he may now have been discarded by necessity.

155 posted on 06/07/2005 1:02:23 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: MJY1288

Good points, all, and a very nice summation.

Thank you!


156 posted on 06/07/2005 1:07:48 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: Justanobody; All
Ha!

Well that goes two ways, and I truly wish I had kerri here to defend that reasoning.

Or even Rush, for that matter.

Look, what type of idiot would withhold records on that basis when the failure to produce said records would produce an outcry and consequent repercussions that FAR outweigh a point or two in combined scores?

Something smells here, and I don't know what it is, but there is a break in the linear application of logic that would dictate Rush's explanation to be correct.

Again, the entirety of the Swiftboats punch would have been avoided by a simple explanation and coherent time-line of the historical facts.

All that is more than a simple mistake in strategy.
157 posted on 06/07/2005 1:28:11 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: FairOpinion
The records, ....., are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president,

Sounds like a load of BS if you ask me. But what do I know?......

158 posted on 06/07/2005 1:32:22 PM PDT by b4its2late
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To: MikeJ; FairOpinion; All

Worth repeating, from John O'Neill --- PING to this post for what REALLY was and was NOT released with Kerry's signed form 180:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1417940/posts?page=154#154


159 posted on 06/07/2005 2:10:36 PM PDT by CedarDave (A day late and a dollar short)
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To: astounded
Exactly. He's sending the records through a left-wing middle man mouthpiece. About as credible as hillary clinton talking about "truth".

[best irate Jack Nicholson voice] "TRUTH? You can't handle the truth!!!

160 posted on 06/07/2005 3:00:14 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru (June! It's bustin' out all over... ENJOY!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

"Something doesn't sound right. I don't think you can sign a 180 and limit who gets access to your records. Tonk, am I right on this?"

It's all BS!


161 posted on 06/07/2005 3:24:59 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Have you said Thank You to a service man or woman today?)
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To: OXENinFLA; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Tonk,

Your FOIA request went in when?


162 posted on 06/07/2005 4:11:36 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: CIBvet

'one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;" is ''the acknowledged leader of his peer group;" and is ''highly recommended for promotion."
You're right on ... standard boiler-plate on all OER's (Officer Efficiency Report)

The wording gets changed with different services, but like you said standard boilerplate on all ER's. The voices of experience speak.


163 posted on 06/07/2005 4:33:26 PM PDT by conshack ((Illegal immigration is the #1 threat to Homeland Security))
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To: Mo1

What exactly does an "undeleted" copy mean ??

It means "altered."


164 posted on 06/07/2005 4:49:27 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: Plutarch

He may as well released them to himself.


165 posted on 06/07/2005 4:54:32 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.

And including the numerous discrepancies and unresolved issues that were never explained by Kerry the first time around--for instance:

Forging a Paper Hero: The Mystery of Kerry’s Medals

. . .the paperwork for Kerry’s Silver Star contains puzzling discrepancies. According to the original Silver Star citation bearing Admiral Zumwalt’s signature, “Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY leaped ashore, pursued the man behind a hootch and killed him”. The original citation was later revised twice, and the two revisions omit any mention of Kerry shooting the man behind the hootch. The third version of the citation bears the signature of Reagan administration Secretary of the Navy John Lehman, who states, “It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me.”

166 posted on 06/07/2005 5:09:09 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: JakeINJoisey
Ditto for me (if you'll pardon the expression).

None necessary - carry on. ;*)

167 posted on 06/07/2005 5:18:30 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: FairOpinion

Once again, Kerry is daodging, and the Globe is covering.

The complete set of records for Navy Officers discharged before 1994 are held at the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) in St. Louis. The Navy would have only a partial set in its files. The Globe claims only the Navy release, not the NPRC.

Also, one would need to see this Form 180 to see what records were not to be included, as there is a section in the form for those exclusions. The Globe is coy in not revealing the actual form 180 and the details on it.

Still to be explained are Kerry's wilderness years, 1970-72 and 1974-78, where there seems to be no paper trail of what he did or his points/credit earned. There is also a missing DD 214 which is probably the most important document for a serviceman's records.

Looks like the Globe took a lesson from the Dan Rather School of Obfuscation and Denial.


168 posted on 06/07/2005 5:20:33 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: oldbill; All

Here is another opinion on what Kerry released.

http://lyonresearch.com/html/john_kerry_mil__records.html


169 posted on 06/07/2005 5:49:13 PM PDT by CaliGirl-R
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To: CaliGirl-R

Thanks for that link - jFsKerry has his own link. Unbelievable.


170 posted on 06/07/2005 6:03:16 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: FairOpinion
The ONLY way to obtain a true and complete version of the file is to have Senator Kerry sign a release and an SF180 allowing the bearer of the SF180 to obtain any and all of his Military Service Records from the National Personnel Records Center, a branch of the National Archives. The NPRC is the only Government organization that has and can release a copy of his complete personnel file.
171 posted on 06/07/2005 6:09:20 PM PDT by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return with Honor")
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To: CharlieOK1; Chieftain; OXENinFLA

Hey, this reminds me of my all time favorite movie..Animal House" with Kerry being that a..hole straight fraternity jerk! Forgot his name, but the end said he got fragged by his troops. ha.
anyone else see the similarity?


172 posted on 06/07/2005 6:11:57 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: FairOpinion
You know what I like?

I like that fact that I have recognized Kerry as a piece of human waste for twenty years at least, and it took the rest of the country, millions of you, to see what I have been talking about all this time.

This 180 release is BS. If Kerry's DD 214 says that he was HD in the late 70's then we can all safely rest assured that there has been a clean up on this section eight's aisle.
173 posted on 06/07/2005 6:17:46 PM PDT by Radix (Don't worry, I have Florida officials working on getting the goons who kidnapped my Tag Line.)
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MEET THE DEPRESSED, Jan. 30, 2005

MR. RUSSERT: Many people who've been criticizing you have said: Senator, if you would just do one thing and that is sign Form 180, which would allow historians and journalists complete access to all your military records. Thus far, you have gotten the records, released them through your campaign. They say you should not be the filter. Sign Form 180 and let the historians...

SEN. KERRY: I'd be happy to put the records out. We put all the records out that I had been sent by the military. Then at the last moment, they sent some more stuff, which had some things that weren't even relevant to the record. So when we get--I'm going to sit down with them and make sure that they are clear and I am clear as to what is in the record and what isn't in the record and we'll put it out. I have no problem with that.

MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY: But everything, Tim...

MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will. But everything that we put in it, Tim--everything we put in--I mean, everything that was out was a full documentation of all of the medical records, all of the fitness reports. And I'd call on those who have challenged me, let's see their records. I want to see the records of each of those people who have put up a challenge, because some of them have some serious questions in them, and it hasn't been appropriate...

MR. RUSSERT: So they should sign Form 180s for themselves as well?

SEN. KERRY: You bet.


174 posted on 06/07/2005 7:50:41 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: FairOpinion

Why NOW? Well, this dunderhead hasn't been in the spotlight for a while. Like the Sink Emperor, these enormous egos crave the adulation of the media, crowds, seeing their names in lights, in the newspapers, talked about on newsblogs, being the subject of the evening gossip on TV....

He wants his ego stroked... this could have been done before the election, but there wasn't time to get rid of the offending documents... someone is walking around a richer man...


175 posted on 06/07/2005 8:03:00 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: FairOpinion
Apparently he did sign the 180 -- but seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if some mole hadn't gotten in there and removed some incriminating ones, such as his original suspected dishonorable or at least general discharge.

We're talking the Boston Globe here. You don't actually think they're going to print the bad stuff, do you? Think about it. Kerry is a Senator for what state? Hmmm? Boston Globe is also a far left wing fish wrap.

We want ALL the records public. The Boston Globe should print them ALL.

176 posted on 06/07/2005 9:05:32 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: MikeJ
We called for Kerry to execute a form which would permit anyone to examine his full and unexpulgated military records at the Navy Department and the National Personnel Records Center. Instead he executed a form permitting his hometown paper to obtain the records currently at the Navy Department.

Kerry will never release ALL his records to the public. It'll damn his career. He's no hero, and he'll never allow the Navy to prove it. Never.
Thank God for the Swift Boat Vets, though. They got the real truth out before any serious damage was done.

When it comes to Hillary, we need the Universal Health Care Package she devised released to the public. She has to volunteer it, because a judge dictated those records be hidden, even though at the time she was not elected to any position by the American people - yet they paid for it.

177 posted on 06/07/2005 9:12:51 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: spageddie

PING!! like this one


178 posted on 06/07/2005 9:21:25 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: StAnDeliver

"But everything that we put in it, Tim--everything we put in"

Good catch!

This is one time he actually told the truth.

Someone should check those records against the typewriters of the time and against MSWord font.

Not to mention what was taken OUT.


179 posted on 06/07/2005 9:39:48 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

MISTER BLUTARSKY: 0.0!

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/quotes


180 posted on 06/07/2005 10:08:05 PM PDT by Columbus Dawg (Columbus: Where our mayor is not offended by rape, and our football players cause trouble.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

You mean Neidermeier?


181 posted on 06/08/2005 3:28:04 AM PDT by Chieftain (Thanks to the Swift Boat Veterans, Vietnam Veterans, and POW's for Truth for standing tall.)
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To: Columbus Dawg



Thank you so much for that link to Animal House quotes! You just made my day...correction...my week!
I have never gotten tired of that movie. And when they made that flick, the NEVER thought it would be anything big.ha.


182 posted on 06/08/2005 4:49:52 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: Chieftain

And you are the WINNER! Isn't there such a similarity between him and Kerry..just the same type.


183 posted on 06/08/2005 4:51:54 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: FairOpinion
Apparently he did sign the 180

And here's the rest of the story:

The rest of the story

184 posted on 06/08/2005 5:16:17 AM PDT by alnick (Rice 2005: We've only just begun to see what Freedom can achieve.)
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To: FairOpinion

Maybe he really did want to release the records but had difficulty filling out the paper work, he was a "D" student. Knowing your A B D's is hard on a fella! lol


185 posted on 06/08/2005 8:19:29 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline is currently being blocked by Congressional filibuster for being to harsh.)
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To: CFC__VRWC
You might want to read this on (powerline)....scroll down to this:
On the mixed-up files of John Kerry
Reader John Boyle writes:

"I have been yelling since last year that the Navy does not have Kerry's records, nor does DoD."

"The Navy has always been Kerry's hide-out. The Navy is covered by the Privacy Laws. You're a lawyer, right? The SF 180 is generically addressed to the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. These records are 30 to 40 years old. They are history! They do not stay at Navy Personnel Command forever."

"It seems to me that all of Kerry's tortured rhetoric on this subject attests to the fact that he was having his records vetted, in spite of the public claim to openness. How to accomplish this? Tell the NPRC, on the SF 180, that the designated recipient of the records is to be a federal Agency (subject to the Privacy Laws) - the Navy!"

"Then, Kerry or his people get to vet the records at the Navy's offices, allow release of what they want by another required waiver separate from the SF 180, withhold what they don't want out there, and the Navy cannot comment on the process, their holdings - or their withholdings!" more.......

Be sure to read the whole thing, very interesting.

186 posted on 06/08/2005 1:57:55 PM PDT by yoe
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To: FairOpinion
Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records

. . . because he is planning to run again in '08 and needs to have a super-sanitized version of his records vetted way ahead of time so it doesn't end up as an issue. Otherwise it makes no sense for him to release his records at this time -- or ever.

Looks like it took all this time to bullet-proof the vetting process. I think it's going to take some extra-ordinary work to piece the real truth together.

187 posted on 06/08/2005 2:22:19 PM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: FairOpinion

Does anyone still believe what they hear from the Boston Globe? What do you think they would say about their boy? Let me guess, "No news here."


188 posted on 06/08/2005 2:24:59 PM PDT by sefarkas (why vote Democrat-lite???)
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To: FairOpinion

Before I look at any documents, I would like to see, the signed and certified copy of the 180. If Kerry actually signed the authorization, any reporter ought to be able get everything. Screw the Globe.


189 posted on 06/08/2005 3:13:14 PM PDT by CharlieChan
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To: FairOpinion

The Boston Globe is the newsletter for the Hanoi Johnny Fan Club. Gimme a break.


190 posted on 06/08/2005 8:06:31 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: FairOpinion
Are there no termites in the woodwork, so to speak. . .that might share the truth of this 'sharing' of Kerry's.

How is it; these frauds continue to keep this system; at their disposal to enable their lies.

Why doesn't the Navy at least, offer that it is a less than complete record. . .they do not have to call this latest effort dishonest. . .just some truth here to fill in the potholes of Kerry's record. . .the ones that were there. . .and still remain.

191 posted on 06/08/2005 9:33:17 PM PDT by cricket
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To: MJY1288

...If he hasn't signed form 180, than this is simply more bullshiite from NVA John...

Likely the latter (more bs).

I'll believe he has signed and submitted form 180 when the Swift Vets say he has. Even then, I'll have to pinch myself to make sure I'm not dreaming.


192 posted on 06/09/2005 3:52:25 PM PDT by planekT (Go DeLay, Go!)
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To: b4its2late
Kerry getting ex-sponged!


193 posted on 06/09/2005 4:11:11 PM PDT by vger (freeping since '97!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Considering that he was portrayed as the straight, patriotic, Republican jerk off, no.


194 posted on 06/09/2005 4:41:39 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: FairOpinion
it has been long suspected that kerry got a less than hon. discharge. something to do with talking with the north viets in paris? hmm.you wont find anything about it because it has been washed. something about an upgrade under the carter admin.just thank your lucky stars for the swiftys.
195 posted on 06/09/2005 6:11:28 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE
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To: All

Send his DD-214 and discharge to Dan Rather.
No doubt in my mind that his discharge is fishy.


196 posted on 06/09/2005 8:35:08 PM PDT by hubno (hub)
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To: CharlieOK1

Is this pic of Kerry real? He looks like Gomer Pyle!


197 posted on 06/10/2005 6:28:37 PM PDT by boop (Testing the tagline feature!)
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To: FairOpinion

I want ALL his military records released.


198 posted on 06/10/2005 10:55:33 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: jdm
Maybe a poor analogy, I don't know.

I think it's a very good analogy. Hey, if you've got nothing to hide, you don't hide anything. That is particularly true when your missing records are causing political fallout for you. No kid ever hid his report card from his parents if the report card showed straight A's.

199 posted on 06/11/2005 5:09:30 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: FairOpinion
On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. "

Whoope Do! He didn't open his records, which one could do via the SF-180, but rather allowed his pet newspaper to have access to them.

200 posted on 06/12/2005 6:12:09 PM PDT by El Gato
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