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Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records (Navy provided them to Boston Globe)
boston Globe ^ | June 7, 2005 | Michael Kranish

Posted on 06/06/2005 11:05:28 PM PDT by FairOpinion

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To: FairOpinion

Unless this shows some explanation for the discharge and medal citations issued years after the fact, the record is not complete.


51 posted on 06/07/2005 2:15:52 AM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: FairOpinion
Any one here can submit a Freedom of Information Act request to the Bureau of Personnel in Millington, TN and ask for a copy of the record.
52 posted on 06/07/2005 2:18:45 AM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: FairOpinion
This is just another ploy by Kerry to stay in the news media weekly. If anything about this story is true, it"s an attempt to see what the reaction will be now rather than later on nearer to election time.

No one else here mentioned it so I guess I will. You don't send the SF 180 to the Department of the NAVY unless you are currently active duty. The request goes to the National Archives Center for retired military records.

Check out: www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/standard_form_180/pdf. (click on SF Form 180.)

If the Boston Globe got any records from the Navy Personnel Command they were not Kerry's Military and Medical Records Flies. The Navy simply does not maintain any records on non-active personnel.

This is another whitewash folks...
53 posted on 06/07/2005 2:31:50 AM PDT by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: MJY1288
IMHO we will never see his complete record for the simple fact that if his service was so honorable, he would have signed the form already.

That, I believe, says it quite nicely.

54 posted on 06/07/2005 3:19:28 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: FairOpinion
… including numerous commendations from commanding officers …

It must be different for Officers. Some time ago I requested copies of my military records. No commendations were sent. Very few transfer orders were sent. No citations for awards were sent. What I received were mostly my 210 file, DD214s and enlistment contracts
Maybe he had some help assembling the paperwork?
55 posted on 06/07/2005 3:58:51 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: FairOpinion

The DD 214 (Report of Separation from Active Military Service) posted on Kerry's website was issued several years after his release from active duty and apparently incorporates several changes that were made to the original. The big question: what does the original say? Specifically, what entries are in the blocks entitled "Narrative reason for separation" and "Character of service"? Anything other than "expiration of active duty obligation" in the first and "Honorable" in the second spells trouble -- and a lot of explaining.


56 posted on 06/07/2005 4:02:27 AM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: FairOpinion; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; ...
Now that's JF'nK signed the SF-180 can't anyone request the ALL the files under the FOIA?
57 posted on 06/07/2005 4:05:43 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

I would think those records would be gone over with a fine tooth comb, but I'll bet they've been "cleansed" and we won't find anything really interesting.


58 posted on 06/07/2005 4:10:32 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Mo1

Well since the Boston Globe now has them, I would suggest that someone go to the Globe and get the records.

They are now public domain and I would not be suprised if the Globe is doing the coverup.


59 posted on 06/07/2005 4:16:35 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: llama hunter
and it doesn't explain the NY Sun story about what a Harvard Admissions Committee member said about why Kerry didn't get into Harvard Law School

This is a new one to me. What was said in this regard?

60 posted on 06/07/2005 4:22:27 AM PDT by patj
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To: FairOpinion

Like a photo on a Coulter thread...

"Kerry Who?"


61 posted on 06/07/2005 4:33:52 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: FairOpinion
Nobody would have to remove anything. The records were released to the Globe where anything even slightly critical of a Kerrydy is completely ignored while the staff bows down in obeisance to the high priests of Socialism and corruption.

If the records were released to the Herald we would have a better chance of finding out what they say -- but not much.
62 posted on 06/07/2005 4:41:07 AM PDT by Cowman (Just when you hit the bottom of the stupid hole you notice the guy next to you is digging)
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To: FairOpinion

BTTT


63 posted on 06/07/2005 5:02:32 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Cowman; All
Until all of the records that went to the Globe are on the net, we will never know the truth. Just as in RatherGate, are they fakes? Have they been doctored or shopped? Or are they just incomplete.

It is too easy to get a document scanner and then alter, add or remove information. They have learned from cBS, that is why they are not on the net yet.
64 posted on 06/07/2005 5:02:51 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Hey, Kool Aid!)
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To: FairOpinion

The Boston Globe, sheesh that means they're forever protected by the Seal of the Confessional. Might as well have place them in a time capsule on an extragalatic trajectory.

It's not like the Boston Globe is going to go over them with a fine tooth comb and find any revealing details or even recognize them if they did. Post them on the internet and in 45 minutes eagle-eyed bloggers will spot the tell-tale hints requiring requiring a whole lotta 'splainin'.


65 posted on 06/07/2005 5:04:38 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: FairOpinion
"The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry's military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions."

This is akin to Saddam shipping off his WMD's to Syria, et el, prior to the war. Yet so many still wonder "if Saddam had no WMD's why didn't he prove it so that he could maintain his status/lifestyle in the Middle East?" It's because he did have them (WMD's).

Likewise, if John Kerry had nothing to hide, why has he refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions. It's because the documentation had to be altered/changed/moved first.

Saddam couldn't move fast enough to beat the UN deadline to move the WMD's to another country -- therefore, eventually war started -- and Kerry couldn't beat the Presidential election deadline to have his 180 cleansed.

Maybe a poor analogy, I don't know.
66 posted on 06/07/2005 5:04:41 AM PDT by jdm ("Gag me with an oil-for-food voucher." - governsleastgovernsbest)
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To: the_Watchman

Exactly. He's sending the records through a left-wing middle man mouthpiece. About as credible as hillary clinton talking about "truth".


67 posted on 06/07/2005 5:05:19 AM PDT by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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To: llama hunter

Is, among the documents released under Form 180, a copy of the signed Form 180 itself?


68 posted on 06/07/2005 5:06:05 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: WakeUpAndVote
"Just as in RatherGate, are they fakes?"

No -- they're not fakes. For the 100th time, they're not fakes!

69 posted on 06/07/2005 5:07:27 AM PDT by jdm ("Gag me with an oil-for-food voucher." - governsleastgovernsbest)
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To: FairOpinion

Don't worry, whatever will be released to the pubic (if anything ever really is), has already been scrubbed as to not damage Hanoi John in the next election.


70 posted on 06/07/2005 5:07:47 AM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: llama hunter
why Kerry didn't get into Harvard Law School

Could have something to do with receiving 4 D's his freshman year at Yale.
(Just heard it this am on the radio.)

71 posted on 06/07/2005 5:11:38 AM PDT by lizma
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To: MJY1288
If he hasn't signed form 180, than this is simply more bullshiite from NVA John

Exactly. And IIRC, he recently said he signed it, but he hadn't yet mailed it..... He just needs to pop it in the mail.

*rolls eyes*

72 posted on 06/07/2005 5:12:19 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (Please check out my new & improved profile page!)
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To: proud American in Canada

Is Kerry receiving any disability payments do to war wounds.

I don't think he can claim payments for brain damage because as you can see by his grades that brain damage was a pre-existing condition.


73 posted on 06/07/2005 5:16:57 AM PDT by MudSlide
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To: lizma
'Ol Horseface got a 'D' in two History courses, a Geology course and a Political Science course.

However... the miserable puke excelled in French!

74 posted on 06/07/2005 5:25:54 AM PDT by johnny7 (PREDICTION; Bill Clinton will die of 'Arafat's Disease'.)
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To: Peach

Commy bastards, dirty as they are, can only "sanitize" records. The left is as dirty as it ever was/will be.


75 posted on 06/07/2005 5:32:05 AM PDT by Issaquahking (.Yes I'd vote for Bush again, but let's stop criminals and terrorists at the borders!)
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To: MJY1288

"I read that story about him signing Form 180, but there has been no independent verification that he did sign it.. IMHO we will never see his complete record for the simple fact that if his service was so honorable, he would have signed the form already."

I served for many years...1980-2004, in both active duty and reserve components of the Army. I would not release my record. It's nobody's business.

SIP


76 posted on 06/07/2005 5:34:15 AM PDT by StrangerInParadise (Immutable Rules of Warfare: Pillage First, Then Burn. Do Not Attempt in Reverse Order.)
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To: FairOpinion

Is anybody here surprised that once released the records were "sanitized"?


77 posted on 06/07/2005 5:35:13 AM PDT by moondoggie
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To: FairOpinion

Has Kerry released the SF-180 itself? It might be interesting to see if there are any restrictions or conditions stated.


78 posted on 06/07/2005 5:37:33 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (NEWSWEEK LIED, PEOPLE DIED)
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To: FairOpinion

He released them because all incriminating information in them has been removed.

Even someone who votes a straight Democrat ticket can figure this out.


79 posted on 06/07/2005 5:40:37 AM PDT by sport
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To: FairOpinion

The Boston Globe is not a creditable source and must be considered as a propaganda purveyor rather than a publisher of truth.

The only acceptable reporting on this story must come from Fox News. When Brit reports it then it can be believed.


80 posted on 06/07/2005 5:43:18 AM PDT by bert (Rename Times Square......... Rudy Square. Just in.... rename the Washington Post March??)
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To: Howlin

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the Globe paid him for some document access. More tabloid journalism, perhaps?


81 posted on 06/07/2005 5:45:39 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: FairOpinion

What is at the bottom of the DD-214?


82 posted on 06/07/2005 5:46:46 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: FairOpinion

Je should have given them to the Boston Herald.


83 posted on 06/07/2005 5:48:11 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (If you must filibuster, it's because you don't have the votes to win honestly)
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To: FairOpinion

You know, I've never understood this stuff. I separated from the USAF in Dec 1984 after 2 terms. A couple months after my separation I received a package in the mail containing my complete original personnel record. I have no doubt that there are microfiched copies somewhere in USAF archives but I have the entire original file.

I would never consider running for any elected office but if I were to do so, I could hand any inquiring journalist my entire military record at my whim.


84 posted on 06/07/2005 5:48:18 AM PDT by NerdDad
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This is BS...just last week F180 was signed and laying on Kerry's desk...this week, a matter of days..it was sent in, documents returned to Kerry, and Kerry releases them to Globe....folks, it just doesn't happen this fast...he may be a VIP, but it would still take longer than a week for Kerry to get these docs.


85 posted on 06/07/2005 5:51:56 AM PDT by mystery-ak (Day 2 Jury Watch....run Michael run!)
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To: FairOpinion
So... what's the explanation of his being discharged from the Navy six years late (1978 vs. 1972)? Oh. I guess he hasn't released ALL his records, has he?
86 posted on 06/07/2005 6:06:08 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: StrangerInParadise

That's fine, just don't ever run for public office


87 posted on 06/07/2005 6:17:16 AM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: MJY1288

So glad you approve/sarc


88 posted on 06/07/2005 6:22:36 AM PDT by StrangerInParadise (Immutable Rules of Warfare: Pillage First, Then Burn. Do Not Attempt in Reverse Order.)
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To: bmwcyle
I would bet that the coding at the bottom of the DD-214 is separation for cause with no reenlistment. He may have received an honorable discharge based on a technicality. The Boston Globe needs to show the public not just tell them about it.
89 posted on 06/07/2005 6:51:52 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: StrangerInParadise

That's fine for you. Make it clear upfront you're not going to release and stick to it. Kerry said he would. He hasn't. He is a liar.


90 posted on 06/07/2005 6:58:05 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: NavVet

That was also my understanding of a form 180. It authorizes the release of all records to individuals so requesting ..... not just to the Boston Globe. That was the basis of all the FOIA lawsuits by media outlets to obtain information regarding Bush's NG service. Bush signed a 180, and after that, the media had a "right" to all of his military records.

Let's tap the breaks before we assume Kerry signed a blanket 180.


91 posted on 06/07/2005 6:59:52 AM PDT by LibertyJihad
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To: FairOpinion
I think he waited until after he sent in Sandy Berger to stuff the incriminating ones into his shoes and pants and remove them from the records.

I think there are problems in the records - but by staging this so that the Kerry-friendly Globe does the initial sanitized reporting, any subsequent revelations can be dismissed by the MSM as fabrications by the right-wingers.

92 posted on 06/07/2005 6:59:59 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: FairOpinion

"The lack of any substantive new material"

Is there no new material or is there new material the BG figures is not substantive?


93 posted on 06/07/2005 7:02:16 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: FairOpinion
Of course. That's why the calls to sign the 180 were pointless posturing. It was inevitable that, if and when he signed it, those who had been calling for his records would claim that they had somehow been sanitized.

Is there anything short of a document indicating that Kerry had been dishonorably discharged that would lead you to believe that the entire file had been produced?

94 posted on 06/07/2005 7:03:42 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: FairOpinion

vs


95 posted on 06/07/2005 7:07:36 AM PDT by CharlieOK1 (See http://www.alisrael.com/tamuz/ for what should happen to Iran)
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To: FairOpinion
If the Sheeple ever...see all Johnny Heinz's military records...I will say something nice about Hillary.
96 posted on 06/07/2005 7:09:46 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Hillary Clinton is about as welcome as an egg-sucking dog...in my neck of the woods.)
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To: Mo1

Probably means what is left after they deleted the bad stuff.


97 posted on 06/07/2005 7:12:30 AM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: lugsoul
Any finding of an original Dishonorable Discharge could be hard to find if a military judge or high ranking officer ordered the discharge changed and all records leading to the original discharge be permanently removed from the individual's file. The missing files may have even come as a surprise to Kerry himself or it may have been part of the agreement that Kerry will leave the military, without a fight, if he received an honorable and all negative records removed from his file?
98 posted on 06/07/2005 7:14:34 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: FairOpinion
"On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. "

If they're implying that this data dump is the result of Kerry signing his 180, that's bullcrap. When dealing with the NMPC, which keeps all military records, you're normally talking months to process any request. And we're supposed to believe they turned this one around in about two weeks?

Kerry's scamming us yet again, and the Globe probably knows this is a scam, but figures that yet again they can pull one off on us dumb sheep.

99 posted on 06/07/2005 7:14:59 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: CharlieOK1
I am going to have nightmares about that picture. He looks like someone crossed a picture of Lurch and a piranha.
100 posted on 06/07/2005 7:18:11 AM PDT by Sthitch
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