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Did Kerry Turn Over Full File To The Boston Globe? (CQ, Malkin weigh in)
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Posted on 06/07/2005 7:54:01 AM PDT by Sir Gawain

June 07, 2005

Did Kerry Turn Over Full File To The Boston Globe?

The Boston Globe claims this morning that John Kerry has finally made his entire service record publicly available, at least to them. Michael Kranish, who wrote unquestioning articles about Kerry's service in Viet Name before and during the presidential campaign, proclaims that the release vindicates Kerry -- but even Kranish can't add up why Kerry kept the file secret:

Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records.

The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.

The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry's military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions. An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign because it contains a number of reports lauding his service. Indeed, one of the first actions of the group that came to be known as Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was to call on Kerry to sign a privacy waiver and release all of his military and medical records.

But Kerry refused, even though it turned out that the records included commendations from some of the same veterans who were criticizing him.

On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ''The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."

Kranish then goes on to describe several commendations and memos of praise. Interestingly, though, Kranish remains silent on several points of controversy that the secrecy of the files helped stoke. Namely, Kranish doesn't mention anything about Kerry's discharge, and why it took him until 1978 to get it, while he quit serving in 1972. He doesn't mention any assignment or attachment to an intelligence unit that would corroborate his later explanations of Christmas In Cambodia or gun-running to the Khmer Rouge. Kranish also doesn't reveal anything about the timeline of events or command assignments that would answer whether he tried to steal part of Tedd Peck's service record in order to provide cover for David Alston to lie about their time together during the political campaign.

It did, however, contain Kerry's academic record from his four years in college. Despite the claims of his supporters, who seemed eager to paint Kerry as a towering intellect while castigating Bush as a moron, the two earned almost identical grades while at Yale:

During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

In fact, the two men have so much in common, it's almost uncanny. Their grade points are almost identical, and both struggled through their freshman years before buckling down and working for their education. Both entered military service after graduating, and both went back afterwards for a higher degree (Bush - Harvard, MBA; Kerry - BC, law degree). Both appeared to be somewhat adrift when they did so.

The key difference, of course, is that Bush never pretended to be a great student at college, just as he never pretended to be a war hero. Nothing that Kranish reports relates to those issues. This release by Kerry still doesn't answer key questions about what he's claimed about his service and the conflicts in his narrative first exposed by the Swiftvets. Let Kerry make the entire record public, so we can all see the answers to these questions.

Michelle Malkin has a great roundup of links to this story.

UPDATE: Er, yes, a law degree is a higher degree. Mea stupida culpa. I've changed the post accordingly. Hat tip: Ted V.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerryrecord; lurch

1 posted on 06/07/2005 7:54:01 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain

File sanitation takes time.


2 posted on 06/07/2005 7:57:12 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Sir Gawain
yes JoKe signed the 180.
I also signed a check for one hundred billion dollars for the Hitlery 08 campaign.

(Neither one of us actually will ever turn it in though.)

P

He's Got A Plan

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3 posted on 06/07/2005 7:58:08 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Man, You should have seen them, kickin Edgar Allen Poe! Koo Koo Kachoo)
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To: Sir Gawain

If his discharge papers from 1972 aren't in there, then this is NOT a complete release of his records.


4 posted on 06/07/2005 7:59:02 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: sarasota

Yeah, especially when you have to cut them into 4" squares for sanitation use.


5 posted on 06/07/2005 8:00:44 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Sir Gawain
Okay, Michelle was mentioned.

What about the rule?


6 posted on 06/07/2005 8:00:57 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: So Cal Rocket
Can we all say selective release. more here
7 posted on 06/07/2005 8:01:17 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: bill1952

BTW, who would think nothing of a document release only to the Globe?


8 posted on 06/07/2005 8:02:10 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: So Cal Rocket
He signed the 180 on May 20th and already has his records? from the NARA website

NARA

Order Processing Time

Response times for records requested from the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) vary greatly depending on the nature of the request. For example, the NPRC Military Records Facility currently has a backlog of 180,000 requests and receives approximately 5,000 requests per day. Routine requests for separation documents currently require only 2-4 weeks for servicing. However, requests that involve reconstruction efforts due to the 1973 fire or older records which require extensive search efforts may take much longer. The average turnaround time on all requests is currently running at approximately 12 weeks
9 posted on 06/07/2005 8:04:27 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: bill1952

can you imagine if W released his papers only to Fox News?


10 posted on 06/07/2005 8:06:34 AM PDT by tazannie
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To: Sir Gawain

Kranish just gave it a pass... that is... if he's even seen all the information. He's a tenured, Kerry rumpswab. If Kerry DID sign the form, all the information will become available.


11 posted on 06/07/2005 8:07:59 AM PDT by johnny7 (PREDICTION; Bill Clinton will die of 'Arafat's Disease'.)
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To: Sir Gawain
Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ''The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."

I call total BS on that. I don't think there's any way he wouldn't have released this during the campaign if he knew it didn't have any bad news in it. This creep would have done whatever it took to win. I'll bet all the papers aren't in there and he knows it.

The questions are:

1. What's missing?
2. Where did it go?
3. Who took it?

12 posted on 06/07/2005 8:09:14 AM PDT by Reagan is King (Never go to a gun fight with a handgun that uses ammo that doesn't start with a "4")
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To: Sir Gawain; MeekOneGOP

13 posted on 06/07/2005 8:10:27 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Fierro-san)
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To: Reagan is King
The questions are:

1. What's missing?
2. Where did it go?
3. Who took it?

Anyone seen Sandy Berger lurking around the National Personnel Records Center?

14 posted on 06/07/2005 8:12:05 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: tazannie

Better yet, only to Rush?


15 posted on 06/07/2005 8:12:16 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: So Cal Rocket

lol, probably last seen wearing a big trenchcoat with lots of pockets and oversized socks.


16 posted on 06/07/2005 8:14:29 AM PDT by Reagan is King (Never go to a gun fight with a handgun that uses ammo that doesn't start with a "4")
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To: Sir Gawain

Kerry and Bush both went on to be accepted to highly competitive graduate programs with "C" averages. How many more worthy kids were rejected because the spoiled rich kids got in? Legacy admissions are worse than affirmative action because it is affirmative action for people who don't need the degrees anyway.


17 posted on 06/07/2005 8:19:01 AM PDT by Soliton (Alone with everyone else.)
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To: Registered; Prime Choice

Photoshop Bait @ #13


18 posted on 06/07/2005 8:22:00 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Fierro-san)
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To: rawcatslyentist

"During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago."

Why not say that Kerry had LOWER grades than Bush?


19 posted on 06/07/2005 8:26:17 AM PDT by Holicheese (Timmy like windmills!)
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To: Sir Gawain
This issue requires a deeper look at not only Kerry but Kranish himself. Last year Kranish and the Boston Globe explained that Kranish assisted with writing Kerry's autobiography but it was on his own and in no relations with the BG. Now the CYA begins. Kranish knows that there is further information that would bring question to his "autobiography" and discredit the BG further if found out. Kranish begins to sugar-coat the records with some crap about "why did it take so long" with nothing new because Kerry is about to bring up some "impeachable" memo to the Congressional floor for consideration. Once he does this all yells will be for Kerry's SF-180 but he now says the BG has them and has already reported on it, partially satisfying some critics and for the BG, Kranish and Kerry's sake enough to weasel the issue any farther even though there are more documents that ruin them all.
20 posted on 06/07/2005 8:26:43 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: Soliton
No legacy admits for Harvard GRAD schools, only undergrad. Note that Kerry did not get into the upper tier law schools and had to go to BC.
21 posted on 06/07/2005 8:32:11 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: Sir Gawain

If I read this story correctly, kerry signed a form 180 with limitations. All the records were released to one of his pet monkeys from the Boston Globe, the New York Times's leftmost subsidiary.

In other words, the records are still not public. They are still being carefully weeded out by his flunkies. The navy may have released all the records to his flunky, but his flunky has not released all the records to the public.

So this is meaningless.


22 posted on 06/07/2005 8:32:27 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: martin_fierro

23 posted on 06/07/2005 8:39:01 AM PDT by New Perspective (Proud father of an 17 month old son with Down Syndrome)
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To: Sir Gawain
It did, however, contain Kerry's academic record from his four years in college

This is actually a pretty plausible excuse for not releasing these records earlier.

24 posted on 06/07/2005 8:43:00 AM PDT by neutrality
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To: Sir Gawain
it should be easy to prove... before the election the Navy said there were about 100 pages of his record withheld from public view, so... the NEW record should have about 100 pages MORE than the previous release, right???
25 posted on 06/07/2005 8:44:00 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Sir Gawain
"Did Kerry Turn Over Full File to Globe"

Wrong headline and wrong question. The Navy turned over the file to the Globe based on an existing FOIA request and Kerry's signed SF-180. The second paragraph of the Globe article states exactly that.

The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.

I don't trust the Globe's, especially Kranish's, analysis. I want to see Kerry's signed SF-180 to see what restrictions or limitations were placed on the authorization. I want to see all the info supporting his first PH. Once the SBVFT get these records, we will have a far better analysis of what is in them. Until then, I take the Globe's analysis with a grain of salt.

26 posted on 06/07/2005 8:53:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sarasota

"File sanitation takes time"


Exactly!!


27 posted on 06/07/2005 9:22:45 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Poincare

How do you get into Harvard Law with a C average then?


28 posted on 06/07/2005 10:06:46 AM PDT by Soliton (Alone with everyone else.)
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To: boxerblues
He signed the 180 on May 20th and already has his records?

When they told him 12 weeks, he said, DO you know who I am?

And they rushed the files right out.

29 posted on 06/07/2005 10:14:18 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Sir Gawain

Did he turn over whole file?

No.

(But, then, that HAD to be a rhetorical question.)


30 posted on 06/07/2005 10:15:17 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: martin_fierro

OMG...he looks just like Lurch..


31 posted on 06/07/2005 10:19:21 AM PDT by mystery-ak (Day 2 Jury Watch....run Michael run!)
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To: kabar

Exactly.....I have a feeling that this stack of papers are what they had to begin with...covering once again for the traitor....sign the F180, Kerry!


32 posted on 06/07/2005 10:23:12 AM PDT by mystery-ak (Day 2 Jury Watch....run Michael run!)
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To: Sir Gawain

Le F'in genius, rumored to have served in Viet Nam where he acquired mucho medals ...


33 posted on 06/07/2005 10:35:08 AM PDT by Babu
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To: Cicero

Your observations are very astute.

I think in the Nixon White House, this was called a 'modified limited hang out.'

They released a bit of new info, even something that could be labeled 'bad,' but really isn't so much. Now, it's all old news.

I agree with your take that he signed the form to release the file to a known flunky, who would cull out anything damaging, rather than release the records to any who inquire. That's what Bush did.

I call, "Shenanigans!"

Pinz


34 posted on 06/07/2005 10:55:35 AM PDT by pinz-n-needlez
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To: kabar; All

Are Veteran Administration educational payments subject to FOIA?
If he didn't collect them at BC, he walked with bad paper.
No way would he have passed them up! His Daddy married the poor side of the Forbes family. (A mistake he noted and did not repeat)


35 posted on 06/07/2005 11:14:40 AM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: martin_fierro

Looks like Douglas Neidermeyer from Animal House.


36 posted on 06/07/2005 11:17:16 AM PDT by a_screen_name
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To: investigateworld

Good point and question. Did Kerry attend BC using Veteran's benefits?


37 posted on 06/07/2005 11:29:20 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Thanks, Letter out today. Did Mass. offer any sweeteners? I know Cali did for subjects who entered service from there. I just know there is an original copy of his DD 214 floating around.
38 posted on 06/07/2005 11:32:54 AM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: neutrality

I don't know why people thought a less-than-honorable would have been so embarassing for Kerry. His story was that of a man who had to suffer because of his opposition to Nixon. He would have just said a Nixon flunkie would have given him the LTH.


39 posted on 06/07/2005 11:53:16 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "LOL!!!" -- MikeinIraq; "Bravo" -- EODTIM69)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

'modified limited hang out.'

Yes, now you quote that, I remember it very well. It became a buzz in the press, kind of like gore's "no controlling legal authority."


40 posted on 06/07/2005 2:33:08 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

The beauty of middle age is that I remember some of the Nixon reporting better than much of the Clinton reporting.

LOL I count that a blessing! Espcially since Mr. Felt's daughter is shining light in some new murky places. ;-)

Pinz


41 posted on 06/07/2005 2:55:05 PM PDT by pinz-n-needlez
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To: traderrob6


Can we all say selective release? Will "reporters" look into this? Will Dan Rather care?


42 posted on 06/07/2005 3:02:45 PM PDT by GOPJ (Merit matters. Okrent earned respect. Arthur Sulzberger Jr picked the right parents.)
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To: martin_fierro; Sir Gawain; PhilDragoo; devolve; Happy2BMe; yall


43 posted on 06/07/2005 4:14:03 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Soliton

>>>How do you get into Harvard Law with a C average then?<<<

Generally you don't. Kerry didn't. But sometimes admissions officers will admit on the basis of some especially outstanding life experience.

As for business school, and I don't know what the criteria were in '68, today they value some life experience over grades. A 4 point in mathematics Columbia grad that I know applied to Harvard Business School and they told him to get some real world business experience and then come back. Perhaps W got in for learning to fly that supersonic flying coffin and/or working on political campaigns in Texas and Alabama.


44 posted on 06/08/2005 10:10:21 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: kabar

I agree!


45 posted on 06/09/2005 4:22:01 AM PDT by chainsaw
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