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Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's
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Posted on 06/07/2005 12:32:32 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

BOSTON - Sen. John F. Kerry (news, bio, voting record)'s grade average at Yale University was virtually identical to President Bush's record there, despite repeated portrayals of Kerry as the more intellectual candidate during the 2004 presidential campaign.

Kerry had a cumulative average of 76 and got four Ds his freshman year — in geology, two history courses and political science, The Boston Globe reported Tuesday.

His grades improved with time, and he averaged an 81 his senior year and earned an 89 — his highest grade — in political science as a senior.

"I always told my dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said in a written response to reporters' questions. He said he has previously acknowledged focusing more on learning to fly than studying.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade.

In 1999, The New Yorker magazine published a transcript showing Bush had a cumulative grade average of 77 his first three years at Yale, and a similar average under a non-numerical rating system his senior year.

Bush's highest grade at Yale was an 88 in anthropology, history and philosophy. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy, and improved his grades after his freshman year, the transcript showed.

Kerry, a Democrat, previously declined to release the transcript, which was included in his Navy records. He gave the Navy permission to release the documents last month, the Globe reported.

Kerry graduated from Yale in 1966, Bush in 1968.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gwb2004; johnkerry; kerry; kerryrecord; yale
Why did the media wait till now?
1 posted on 06/07/2005 12:32:32 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

They just got the records released from Kerry.


2 posted on 06/07/2005 12:33:44 PM PDT by sammycook
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To: sammycook

Why did Kerry wait until now . . . oh yea, because he's a self loathing dipsh!t.


3 posted on 06/07/2005 12:34:30 PM PDT by ruiner
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

It was in his Navy records, just released.


4 posted on 06/07/2005 12:35:18 PM PDT by RightWhale (Bush got better grades than Kerry)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Hilarious.

As if GPA had absolutely anything to do with intellect. Or leadership. Or wisdom, for that matter. Ivy Leaguers are over-rated from the jump anyway. If either Bush or Kerry had to compete without family ties, neither one would get accepted, especially today.


5 posted on 06/07/2005 12:36:59 PM PDT by griz74
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Kerry's grades were "similar", yet worse. If Bush's grades were worse, this headline would not read as it does.


6 posted on 06/07/2005 12:37:27 PM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Kerry had a cumulative average of 76...
...Bush had a cumulative grade average of 77 ...

Anyone want to bet that had these two been reversed, the headline would not have called them "similar", but would have instead said that Kerry's grades were better.

7 posted on 06/07/2005 12:39:02 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
No no no no no.... Bush got ONE D in four years. Kerry got FOUR D's in one year. That ain't SIMILAR.

It's likely the author of this piece had LOTS of D's.....

8 posted on 06/07/2005 12:39:53 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: RightWhale

I wonder what else was in Kerry's Navy records. He "released" the records to Boston Globe only. That looks a bit suspect.


9 posted on 06/07/2005 12:41:17 PM PDT by AdrianR
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Medved just explained that they CHANGED the way of grading in the midst of the last 2 years of Bush's time at Yale...and then, whomever wrote the story or analyzed his grades ASSIGNED the NEW scoring to the OLD scoring.....actually, Bush did MUCH better than Kerry at Yale. Typical MSM cr*p.


10 posted on 06/07/2005 12:41:49 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

ROTFLMPO !!!


11 posted on 06/07/2005 12:43:28 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: griz74
...had to compete without family ties, neither one would get accepted, especially today

That's true for anyone applying to school. Especially if going to the same school as a parent did.

12 posted on 06/07/2005 12:44:14 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: griz74
As if GPA had absolutely anything to do with intellect. Or leadership. Or wisdom, for that matter. Ivy Leaguers are over-rated from the jump anyway. If either Bush or Kerry had to compete without family ties

Cool. GPA related to family ties.

13 posted on 06/07/2005 12:55:05 PM PDT by RightWhale (Bush got better grades than Kerry)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Why did the media wait till now?

They didn't want to publish this picture before the election?


14 posted on 06/07/2005 1:03:04 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Similar to Bush's? Another example of the MSM twisting the truth. Lies, lies and more lies.


15 posted on 06/07/2005 1:08:22 PM PDT by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! Fox News Channel Rocks!)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

"Similar"? Not in this lifetime.


16 posted on 06/07/2005 1:09:40 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: siunevada
They didn't want to publish this picture before the election?

I wondered that myself.

17 posted on 06/07/2005 1:11:06 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("I'm not very dignified." - Howard Dean)
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To: lilylangtree
Rush said that his best class was french! What else?
One other thing as an Irish American, I don't see how in the world the dunces in Massachusetts looked at this guy and believed for a second that he was Irish. The fact that he is not is not important. The fact that he has been making up shiite all his life is.
18 posted on 06/07/2005 1:15:08 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Dealing with liberals? Remember: when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and he loves it.)
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To: griz74

GPA is only a measure of dedication to studies over a particular period and little else.


19 posted on 06/07/2005 1:29:38 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Remind Liberal Cowards Why America Freed Iraq: http://massgraves.info/)
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To: RightWhale

"Cool. GPA related to family ties."

LOL! It must have an adverse effect. Mine was higher than theirs and I don't know a soul. :)


20 posted on 06/07/2005 1:30:31 PM PDT by L98Fiero
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To: Hi Heels
I agree with you that ONE D in four years and FOUR D's in one year is not similar. Kerry was a slacker as a Freshman and improved; Bush was a middle-of-the-road student but CONSISTENT which I think is similar to his governance, a characteristic that is sometimes praised and often ridiculed as too rigid.

I ridicule it when it comes to things like his mindless dedication to open border policies.

21 posted on 06/07/2005 1:33:13 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Remind Liberal Cowards Why America Freed Iraq: http://massgraves.info/)
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To: newzjunkey

Still trying to figure that out myself.....


22 posted on 06/07/2005 1:44:19 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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someone wanna trek on over to DUland and paste some snippets of what they're saying?
i'm sure someone has already blamed karl rove for kerry's poor academic performance


23 posted on 06/07/2005 2:39:42 PM PDT by jer2911tx (john kerry doesn't like rice, or as he calls it 'weapons of ass destruction')
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To: siunevada

LOL... is this real?!


24 posted on 06/07/2005 3:14:23 PM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: jveritas
LOL... is this real?!

Right click on it and check the Properties. I believe boston.com is the Boston Globe.

25 posted on 06/07/2005 3:19:32 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
I like this title better: ( similar but not identical article)

Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student

And here is the article about his release of his Navy records, ONLY to the Boston Globe and who knows what other limitations he put in there. Why doesn't the Globe POST at least his signed 180?

Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records (Navy provided them to Boston Globe)

And here is what John O'Neill said about this:

John O'Neill's statement about Kerry releasing his records

26 posted on 06/07/2005 3:39:35 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: sammycook

Notice the headline reflects bias - if Kerry's grades had been better than Pres. Bush's we would read:

"Kerry's Yale Grades Higher Than Bush's."


27 posted on 06/07/2005 4:07:33 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: Hi Heels

"Bush got ONE D in four years. Kerry got FOUR D's in one year. That ain't SIMILAR."

Not only that, but Kerry had a *total* of FIVE D's to Bush's ONE. (Kerry also had a D as a sophomore.) I noticed the AP story carried on AOL today had a chart comparing apples to oranges, listing that Kerry had four D's his freshman year and Bush had one in his four years. If they compared apples to apples there, they would have listed that Kerry had five D's in his four years. Anything the MSM can do to make a Dem look better, they'll do...


28 posted on 06/07/2005 5:25:04 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: QQQQQ

Today's emphasis on Kerry's grades via Navy records is an almost surely planned "humorous" diversion from the refusal of Kerry to authorize release of the crucial military/medical information at the National Records Center.



29 posted on 06/07/2005 7:30:55 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: siunevada; potlatch; Smartass; devolve

D is for Dork. Ping to post #14.


30 posted on 06/07/2005 7:45:11 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: siunevada

Am I the only one who thinks this looks like Britt Hume?


31 posted on 06/07/2005 7:47:48 PM PDT by twntaipan ( I would sooner trust the North Koreans to keep their word than the Democrats --- Ann Coulter)
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To: twntaipan

Nope. When I saw that picture this evening on the screen beside Brit Hume as he was talking about it, I thought the same thing.


32 posted on 06/07/2005 7:50:35 PM PDT by texasflower (silent_jonny is the only one for me.)
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To: ntnychik
D is for Dork.

LOL, four D's make that 'Dirty Dumb Dem Dork!!

I had saved that picture from Drudge too, he really was a Dork!

33 posted on 06/07/2005 7:58:14 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: ntnychik
More like dumber than he really looks.   Shows, that a Yale diploma does mean you've been anchored with pre canned intelligence.
34 posted on 06/07/2005 8:06:33 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Well, I'm sure Kerry's peeps are busy working up an explanation, as if the DU needed one, no they wouldn't ask. But an explanation for all the rest of us. I'll bet it goes something like saying that Kerry's grades weren't as high as he had hoped because he spent so much time involved in civic causes that he just didn't devote as much time as needed to studying. In fact, if he could do it again, he would work harder on the grades, without sacrificing the volunteer work. (BTW volunteer work really means beer parties and ski trips.) And the DU explanation for the similarity between Bush and Kerry grades? Well, Bush is just not smart and Kerry just didn't try as hard as he should have. Barf.


36 posted on 06/26/2005 8:46:14 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: SmartenUp; Admin Moderator
Troll alert!!!

Finally, I get in before the Zot.

SmartenUp, you obviously missed the point. Your hero has been cast as so much more intelligent than Dubya. His proven record indicates that he is not.

Get over it...you lost anyway. Time for you to take your Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker off your Yugo.

So tell me, what handle did you sign in under before today?

37 posted on 06/26/2005 8:49:07 AM PDT by Night Hides Not
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