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Reporting for Duty - (John Kerry's signed 180 release is a fast shuffle; complete info not public!)
AMERICAN SPECTATOR.ORG ^ | JUNE 8, 2005 | THE PROWLER

Posted on 06/08/2005 8:34:39 AM PDT by CHARLITE

MISSION UNACCOMPLISHED

So with the exception of seeing Sen. John Kerry's middling grades at Yale, what was achieved by his signing of the SF-180 document?

If it was about releasing his military record, that wasn't achieved.

If it was about clarifying his reserve activities upon his return from his short stint in Vietnam, that wasn't achieved.

If it was to perhaps further obscure the truth about his service and post-Vietnam activities, mission accomplished.

It is unclear exactly what was released by the Navy late Monday to the Boston Globe. On its face it appears that aside from the Yale transcript and some commendations, little new appeared.

"I don't know what everyone expected," says a former Kerry campaign staffer. "We said this was the complete file months ago. The Senator pointedly requested that the grades not be included in the documents released during the campaign."

"I don't know what everyone expected," says a former Kerry campaign staffer. "We said this was the complete file months ago. The Senator pointedly requested that the grades not be included in the documents released during the campaign."

And there lies the rub. At no point has Kerry requested a full, nonredacted release of his military record from the National Personnel Record Center, which has custody of Kerry's complete record.

According to Steve Jones, a principal of Lyon Research, and a respected researcher, who specializes in culling data at the National Archives, the Library of Congress, and various military and museum repositories across the country, Kerry's full file could contain a number of other documents not released on Monday, such as documents that verify his status in the Reserves up to 1978.

But redirecting media and the public away from his full file appears to have been Kerry's plan all along, because he submitted his SF-180 to the wrong entity.

"It doesn't make sense that he is going through the Navy," says Jones. "Applying through the Navy gives this scenario the appearance of a personnel shuffle. Kerry said he applied to the Navy and the Boston Globe said they received his record from the Navy and that makes no sense when the relevant records are at the National Personnel Record Center, a part of the National Archives. By going through the Navy Kerry makes it appear that he is using the Navy to screen his file; he added a layer of bureaucracy when all he needed to do was sign an authorization allowing a third party to look at his record at the NPRC."

What is the difference between the Navy and the NPRC?

The Navy, which created the documents to begin with, is legally obligated to protect the privacy of the veteran. If, as many conspiracy theorists have posited, negative material was expunged from Kerry's file, the Navy could most likely only include the final version of a document.

For example, if an individual were to have a received a less than honorable discharge, but then gained a full, honorable discharge some years later, only the honorable discharge order might appear in the Navy file, while both discharges might appear in the individual's file at the NPRC in St. Louis, Mo.

Jones, who has worked extensively at the NPRC and the National Archives, says that were Kerry to sign an SF-180 and authorize a third party full access to his NPRC records, more fodder would likely be found. "There is no way to know what is in his file unless an independent party looks at the file at the NPRC," says Jones.

But there is hope. The NRPC can open the file to the public ten years after a famous individual dies.

As to what could possibly be in the full files, the former Kerry staffer insists it's time that Republicans and anti-Kerryites got a life. "The man lost. He's now had to admit that he was [crappier] student than Bush and yet you keep hounding the man. Nothing will ever satisfy you people. I guess you're all going to go camp out back down in Mena for Hillary's 2008 run. Good luck with that."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 180; form180; johnkerry; kerryrecord; medicalrecord; military; national; navy; personnel; recordcenter; records; release
"And there lies the rub. At no point has Kerry requested a full, nonredacted release of his military record from the National Personnel Record Center, which has custody of Kerry's complete record."

We will see his complete records when pigs fly.

1 posted on 06/08/2005 8:34:41 AM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE
He's now had to admit that he was [crappier] student than Bush and yet you keep hounding the man.

Yep. 'Cause he's a traitor and a liar.

Hounding led to him admitting that he was never in Cambodia. No telling what more hounding will lead to.

2 posted on 06/08/2005 8:39:26 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: CHARLITE

I need no more proof to support my conclusion that Kerry is an idiot, a liar, a traitor and a useless human leech.


3 posted on 06/08/2005 8:39:41 AM PDT by RushCrush (Never give in! Never, never, never, never! Never yield in any way great or small.)
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To: CHARLITE
The latest from PowerLine: Thomas Lipscomb is a reporter with JWR.....

On the mixed-up files of John Kerry

Reader John Boyle writes:

I have been yelling since last year that the Navy does not have Kerry's records, nor does DoD.

The Navy has always been Kerry's hide-out. The Navy is covered by the Privacy Laws. You're a lawyer, right? The SF 180 is generically addressed to the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. These records are 30 to 40 years old. They are history! They do not stay at Navy Personnel Command forever.

It seems to me that all of Kerry's tortured rhetoric on this subject attests to the fact that he was having his records vetted, in spite of the public claim to openness. How to accomplish this? Tell the NPRC, on the SF 180, that the designated recipient of the records is to be a federal Agency (subject to the Privacy Laws) - the Navy!

Then, Kerry or his people get to vet the records at the Navy's offices, allow release of what they want by another required waiver separate from the SF 180, withhold what they don't want out there, and the Navy cannot comment on the process, their holdings - or their withholdings!

The trick is in whom he designated to receive the outflow from NPRC. Read the opening of Kranish's article again:"The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe..."

This is not rocket science, yet no one seems to understand what was done here.

Boyle followed up with the following message:

I want to give you another shot on this, just to be sure you understand. It is crystal clear obvious to me, yet very few people seem to get it...is it how I 'splain it?

The SF 180 is actually a request for "Report of Separation" and all such documents are in the sole custody of the National Personnel Records Center, in St. Louis - not the branch in which the veteran served (in this case the Navy). And the character of Kerry's "separation" (discharge) from the Navy is obviously the document(s) that are hot.

The SF 180 directs the National Personnel Records Center to release records, at the request of the documented veteran, and send them to whomever he designates (usually himself) - period. What is the Navy doing in the middle of this? The Navy must have been the designated recipient, on this specific SF 180 (not the Boston Globe, as Kranish explicitly admits). As a Federal entity, the Navy is then subject to Privacy Laws and any release by them had to be additionally waived by Kerry - or not. He could then easily not waive specific documents for release that he found damaging. What the Boston Globe got was the remainder of whatever the Navy received from NPRC, less what Kerry wished to withhold.

It may be that the Globe is unaware of this game; although I wrote about this at length last week to their reporter Joan Vennochi, who had written that Kerry's 180 was in the pipeline, in order to alert the Globe to what was afoot.

A real shell game.

We have it on good authority that ace reporter Thomas Lipscomb is working the story of the Globe and Kerry's records as well. Until Lipscomb's stories surface, we'll try mull over Boyle's explanations.

4 posted on 06/08/2005 8:40:46 AM PDT by Jay Howard Smith (Retired(25yrs)Military)
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To: Nam Vet; EagleUSA; Former Military Chick; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; King Prout; ...
For your interest. Ping

Char

5 posted on 06/08/2005 8:41:09 AM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE
"Reporting for doody"
6 posted on 06/08/2005 8:41:53 AM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: RushCrush
"I need no more proof to support my conclusion that Kerry is an idiot, a liar, a traitor and a useless human leech." Not even this?
7 posted on 06/08/2005 8:42:29 AM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: CHARLITE
"I guess you're all going to go camp out back down in Mena for Hillary's 2008 run."

That's not a bad idea!

</sarcasm>

8 posted on 06/08/2005 8:42:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: CHARLITE
Nothing will ever satisfy you people. I guess you're all going to go camp out back down in Mena for Hillary's 2008 run. Good luck with that."

As a Dim insider, he apparently knows where the corpses are buried...

9 posted on 06/08/2005 8:43:52 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: CHARLITE
At least he told us that Mary Cheney is a lesbian.
10 posted on 06/08/2005 8:44:15 AM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: RushCrush

"useless human leech."

You mean, he didn't marry Taraaazaa for her looks?


11 posted on 06/08/2005 8:46:10 AM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: CHARLITE; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; Blue Scourge; Cool Multiservice Soldier; ..

Swift Boat Veteran For Truth John O'Neill Comments on Kerry's 180 'Release'
6/7/05
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418592/posts

"Live" with TAE: John O'Neill (in-depth interview with a leader of Swift Boat Vets)
American Enterprise Online ^ | April 2005 issue

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1363400/posts

O'NEILL: ...None of us will ever forget the day Kerry testi-fied before Congress. It was like the Kennedy assassination.
And so we just couldn't live in the United States if we didn't make a statement about his testimony in 1971...."


There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS

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Polipundit even tells you how to install it on your own page!

Swift Boat Veteran For Truth John O'Neill Comments on Kerry's 180 'Release'
6/7/05
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418592/posts


12 posted on 06/08/2005 8:50:32 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!


13 posted on 06/08/2005 8:52:24 AM PDT by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: Jay Howard Smith

Signup number 72 ! Everybody here is "boot" to you, amigo!


14 posted on 06/08/2005 8:54:51 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (I don't drink and FReep...it just looks that way)
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To: CHARLITE

The healine of this article should be:

Kerry staffer hints that Republicans should direct their attention to Hillary's "Mena" connection.


15 posted on 06/08/2005 8:55:04 AM PDT by rod1
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To: Onelifetogive

This is one time that I don't regret saying "I told you so!" This way, the Dims can stick to their story of smear. Too bad we don't have a mole in the Archives.

He will never allow his complete file to be released as it documents his first discharge and revocation of his medals. DoD does not re-issue discharge and medal papers unless there is a bureaucratic reason to do so, such as amnesty. That is why the dates on his released records are so screwy.


16 posted on 06/08/2005 8:56:48 AM PDT by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: CHARLITE
We need a "deep throat". Come on, someone with the ability, give it to us. The hell with Kerry. We know he is a traitor, but would be nice to confront him.
17 posted on 06/08/2005 8:57:07 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: CHARLITE

After everything the bloggers have done to unmask the left's half-truths and outright lies, did this nit-wit actually think that he could get away with a limited-modified hang out?

What a maroon!


18 posted on 06/08/2005 8:57:49 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: CHARLITE
Kerry said he applied to the Navy and the Boston Globe said they received his record from the Navy and that makes no sense when the relevant records are at the National Personnel Record Center, a part of the National Archives.

That explains everything.

Kerry's discharge is in Sandy Berger's pants.

19 posted on 06/08/2005 8:58:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The gift of life is the first gift. The right to life is the first right.)
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To: Coop

Hopefully a treed Kerry as with any hounding.


20 posted on 06/08/2005 8:59:19 AM PDT by cav68
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub


21 posted on 06/08/2005 9:03:46 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: EternalVigilance

Please, please, please reword the last sentence of your post.


22 posted on 06/08/2005 9:08:49 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: CHARLITE
Does this pathetic loser (Kerry) actually believe he's fooling anyone? "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we attempt to deceive" (or something like that)
23 posted on 06/08/2005 9:09:19 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: CHARLITE

You mean sKerry pulled a fast one? I'm shocked! Shocked I tells ya!

Anyone expecting that Kerry will come clean needs a reality check. The yellow-striped,lily-livered, VC-lovin', commie SOB can't reveal the depth of his treachery because he'd lose his job... not that he ever really does it anyway.


24 posted on 06/08/2005 9:10:27 AM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Our legal system is in a PVS. Time to remove it from the public feeding trough.)
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To: EternalVigilance
"That explains everything.

Kerry's discharge is in Sandy Berger's pants."

LOL, now that was Funny!

25 posted on 06/08/2005 9:12:56 AM PDT by txroadkill
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Kerry Treason Bump!!


26 posted on 06/08/2005 9:14:58 AM PDT by smoothsailing (QuiNhon6869)
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To: CHARLITE

As I pointed out yesterday, to a few people who should be looking into this so-called "release", these are the remaining relevant questions.

Is the public getting a copy of the Form 180 that Kerry says he submitted? Why does that matter?

It matters because the pertinent part of the form that deals with the release of documents is in item 2 of section 2 of the form. Knowing what Kerry wrote, in item 2 of section 2, would tell us a lot. The form is not designed so that the mere submission of the signed form creates an automatic release of everything in the file. What is "released" is whatever the requester asks to be released, and nothing more.

For instance, before he submitted the Form 180, his last public comment had been that his staff was looking into the issue. Why? Just sign the form? Think back to what I just said. One could guess that they were making a list of what had already been given to the public.

In order to affect a worthless release (containing no new public information) all that Kerry had to do was to type "see attached" in item 2 of section 2, and then attach a list of the only documents he wanted to let the public see (the ones he had already let us see). His "release" would have been phony, because the only thing the Boston Globe or anyone else would have gotten were Navy "copies" of the "copies" they already had from Kerry himself, and nothing else.

Someone with the personal/corporate means, money and access to a media venue needs to continue this pursuit.

The place to start is to get a copy of the Form 180 he claims he submitted.

Here's a job for Drudge.


27 posted on 06/08/2005 9:21:22 AM PDT by Wuli (The democratic basis of the constitution is "we the people" not "we the court".)
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To: EternalVigilance

Why is the Navy expending the resources to screen and release records from an individual that left the service early in 1970?

Any other Sailor has to go through NPRC! I wonder who is the high ranking DNC mole at the Department of the Navy. Sounds like laws are being broken here.


28 posted on 06/08/2005 9:25:21 AM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: CHARLITE

They mean by not posting Kerry's grades his psuedo intellectual pose might be threatened. I doubt it; it's still intact.

However, don't expect to see Kerry's full record. He isn't going to let his anti american pose or stance be broadcast for all to see.


29 posted on 06/08/2005 9:28:30 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: George Smiley

;-)


30 posted on 06/08/2005 9:28:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The gift of life: The first gift. The right to life: The first right. Fight for life and liberty!!!!)
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To: CHARLITE; Jay Howard Smith; EternalVigilance; George Smiley; All
"A real shell game."

Sure looks that way...but he can't even pull that one off, apparently!

E.V., thanks for the laugh re: Berger's pants, and G.S., thanks for the bigger laugh, pointing out the particular "phraseology" re: Berger's pants...ROFL!!

31 posted on 06/08/2005 9:29:29 AM PDT by 88keys
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping, Tonk.

Kerry is such a waste of space and air that I actually repect my dog more than this algae.


32 posted on 06/08/2005 10:14:44 AM PDT by El Gran Salseron ( The comments of this poster are meant for self-amusement only! Read at your own risk! :-))
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

JF'nK is a lying traitor ~ Bump!

Be Ever Vigilant!


33 posted on 06/08/2005 1:15:38 PM PDT by blackie
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; CHARLITE; ALOHA RONNIE; mhking; Vets_Husband_and_Wife; MeekOneGOP; ...

Bump/ping.


Swift Boat Veteran For Truth John O'Neill Comments on Kerry's 180 'Release'
6/7/05
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418592/posts


34 posted on 06/08/2005 1:23:05 PM PDT by JLO
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To: Jay Howard Smith

great post.


35 posted on 06/08/2005 3:50:21 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: Coop
No one is hounding Kerry any where near what the POWs got hounded because of Jane Fonda and John Charley Kerry. No one is hounding veterans like John "Charley" Kerry hounded veterans in his day of infamy in front of Congress!!!
36 posted on 06/08/2005 5:16:04 PM PDT by mountainlyons (alienated vet)
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To: CHARLITE

I'd love to see his records just to gloat and use one of my favorite phrases, "I told you so!"

(I get to use it so seldom)

But, really, it doesn't matter any more. Kerry will never, ever, never, ever be a candidate for president again, unless it's in an extremely weird parallel universe.


37 posted on 06/08/2005 5:39:23 PM PDT by altura
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To: altura
".........unless it's in an extremely weird parallel universe."

.....one inhabited only by himself and Mz. Heinz--z-z. Those two make one very weird couple, IMO.

Char :)

38 posted on 06/08/2005 6:05:11 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE

Give Hanoi John Effin Kerry an ordinary enema and the remains would fit in a standard issue matchbox. FACT.

Sign the SF-180 for REAL, John-Boy!

That is IF you have the "stones"......and I'm betting that ya don't.


39 posted on 06/08/2005 8:37:06 PM PDT by Howie66 ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.")
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To: El Gran Salseron

"Kerry is such a waste of space and air that I actually repect my dog more than this algae."

I have far more respect for the life that clings to the inside of my septic tank than I do for this craven lickspittle.


40 posted on 06/08/2005 9:05:43 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: Gator113
"I have far more respect for the life that clings to the inside of my septic tank than I do for this craven lickspittle."


41 posted on 06/08/2005 10:22:43 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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