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On the mixed-up files of John Kerry
http://powerlineblog.com ^ | 6-82005 07:54 AM | Scott Johnson

Posted on 06/08/2005 9:28:19 AM PDT by Deetes

Reader John Boyle writes:

I have been yelling since last year that the Navy does not have Kerry's records, nor does DoD.

The Navy has always been Kerry's hide-out. The Navy is covered by the Privacy Laws. You're a lawyer, right? The SF 180 is generically addressed to the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. These records are 30 to 40 years old. They are history! They do not stay at Navy Personnel Command forever.

It seems to me that all of Kerry's tortured rhetoric on this subject attests to the fact that he was having his records vetted, in spite of the public claim to openness. How to accomplish this? Tell the NPRC, on the SF 180, that the designated recipient of the records is to be a federal Agency (subject to the Privacy Laws) - the Navy!

Then, Kerry or his people get to vet the records at the Navy's offices, allow release of what they want by another required waiver separate from the SF 180, withhold what they don't want out there, and the Navy cannot comment on the process, their holdings - or their withholdings!

The trick is in whom he designated to receive the outflow from NPRC. Read the opening of Kranish's article again:"The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe..."

This is not rocket science, yet no one seems to understand what was done here.

Boyle followed up with the following message:

I want to give you another shot on this, just to be sure you understand. It is crystal clear obvious to me, yet very few people seem to get it...is it how I 'splain it?

The SF 180 is actually a request for "Report of Separation" and all such documents are in the sole custody of the National Personnel Records Center, in St. Louis - not the branch in which the veteran served (in this case the Navy). And the character of Kerry's "separation" (discharge) from the Navy is obviously the document(s) that are hot.

The SF 180 directs the National Personnel Records Center to release records, at the request of the documented veteran, and send them to whomever he designates (usually himself) - period. What is the Navy doing in the middle of this? The Navy must have been the designated recipient, on this specific SF 180 (not the Boston Globe, as Kranish explicitly admits). As a Federal entity, the Navy is then subject to Privacy Laws and any release by them had to be additionally waived by Kerry - or not. He could then easily not waive specific documents for release that he found damaging. What the Boston Globe got was the remainder of whatever the Navy received from NPRC, less what Kerry wished to withhold.

It may be that the Globe is unaware of this game; although I wrote about this at length last week to their reporter Joan Vennochi, who had written that Kerry's 180 was in the pipeline, in order to alert the Globe to what was afoot.

A real shell game.

We have it on good authority that ace reporter Thomas Lipscomb is working the story of the Globe and Kerry's records as well. Until Lipscomb's stories surface, we'll try mull over Boyle's explanations.

UPDATE: Reader John Gershwin has directed us to the succinct explanation posted here, and reader Randy Moss (if that's his real name, I'm pretty sure he's not the former Vikings wide receiver) refers us to the Spectator's "Mission accomplished."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: coverup; form180; kerry; kerryrecord; lyingtraitor; navy; sf180; teresashorse; teresaspuppy; traitor; treason; vileswine

1 posted on 06/08/2005 9:28:19 AM PDT by Deetes
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To: Deetes

Tin hat time. The records have been released and people need to move on.


2 posted on 06/08/2005 9:30:21 AM PDT by StrangerInParadise (Immutable Rules of Warfare: Pillage First, Then Burn. Do Not Attempt in Reverse Order.)
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To: Deetes

Regardless, Kerry has been branded and marked as to what and who he is. We should move on -- and let Kerry just keep proving what he is. Just another classic representative of the corrupt, vile, evil far-left that has infested America.


3 posted on 06/08/2005 9:35:42 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: StrangerInParadise

NO, not tin hat time.
Kerry disallowed the full release fo ALL the records.
Simple.

History that Kerry admitted to shows that he is a traitor.
Kerry made his military service a point of interest, since he was running on it, and has done everything he could to avoid the issue.


4 posted on 06/08/2005 9:35:44 AM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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To: StrangerInParadise
Tin hat time. The records have been released and people need to move on.

I think must people will let the Kerry records matter rest once, we actually see a photo copy of the Form 180 he allegelly signed and the actual records release to a third party.

You don't actually expect people to trust a "D" student do you?
5 posted on 06/08/2005 9:35:57 AM PDT by BlackRain
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To: StrangerInParadise

Selectively released. Non-friendly journalist have not been allowed direct, non-filtered, access.


6 posted on 06/08/2005 9:40:16 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: BlackRain
I think must people will let the Kerry records matter rest once, we actually see a photo copy of the Form 180 he allegelly signed and the actual records release to a third party.

If MSM had any respect for Investigative Journalism, some of the top reporters in the country would be digging for this information right now. But, alas, the days in which everyone talked about "how great Woodward and Bernstein are" are long past ... oh, wait a minue ...

7 posted on 06/08/2005 9:42:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Deetes
I can't believe they let his chainsaw killer picture slip through.


8 posted on 06/08/2005 9:43:36 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: StrangerInParadise
"Tin hat time. The records have been released and people need to move on.

This issue if FAR from being over. When all the unfiltered records get released to all news sources this issue will be over, and we'll then move on. Until then we'll keep maximum pressure on.

9 posted on 06/08/2005 9:58:41 AM PDT by Rabble (Just When is John F sKerry going to release all his military records ?)
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To: EagleUSA

As long as my idiotic neighbor keeps her Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker on her car, I have a right to ask for Kerry's records.
Fair enough!


10 posted on 06/08/2005 9:59:22 AM PDT by newcthem (Use Allah Urinal Cakes)
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To: Deetes
John Kerry is an arrogant man who must yell about his perceived accomplishments, especially when there are questions about the very war records he so loudly proclaims are a record of heroic adventures.

Kerry lied to congress;
Kerry lied about his medals;
Kerry consorted with the enemy while still in uniform with no orders to do so;
Jimmy Carter most likely has something to do with the cover up of Kerry’s missing records – that, or Sandy Berger has them…………………and NO, Iam not moving on as long as this man is in the Senate and saying the mendacious things about President Bush he does...none should move on, Kerry is the poster boy of what is wrong with the Senate. He is trying to effect the same out come for Iraq as he did for Viet Nam. Don't let him do it!

YOU MOVE ON! I AM STAYING RIGHT ON KERRY'S TAIL!

11 posted on 06/08/2005 10:01:29 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Deetes

This isn't going to fly. The same people who were on kerry's case before are going to be on it again. The MSM will gladly cover for him, but the blogosphere won't.

The man is a jackass. Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam. He's the jerk who kept bringing that up, who kept posing as a war hero, who kept saying that he had released all his records, who kept bitching about President Bush's National Guard Service (which Bush has never boasted about). If kerry hadn't done that, they could have said it was old history.

Sorry, kerry, it won't fly. Where's your discharge record?


12 posted on 06/08/2005 10:03:14 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: StrangerInParadise
"Tin hat time. The records have been released and people need to move on"

No they haven't. Remember, this liar and treasonous traitor is still a lawmaker in this nation. He must be exposed for what he is and thrown out.

13 posted on 06/08/2005 10:10:35 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Deetes

"I'm John Kerry, and I'm reporting for Duty!" (Hand salute)

Move on, my royal Irish derriere.


14 posted on 06/08/2005 10:11:54 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa
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To: Deetes
Kerry chose Vietnam as his vehicle to the White House.
There were medals galore, then medals oh no ribbons were flipped, saga's of revealing this 180, all without follow through.
What did Kerry really have to run on with a Senate absentee record of 75%, never introducing legislature nor proposing anything worthwhile while doing his other 25%.
Give him credit for his bluster of having made it that far.
Then again whom did the Party have?
Oh yes it was the current democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean endorsed by Al Gore and this Iowa Senator Harkin, plus attested by his Vice President the hairy...forgot his name already.
What a shell game this country had been presented and saw right through it.
15 posted on 06/08/2005 10:12:53 AM PDT by hermgem
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To: Deetes
Bullshit. Kerry has released carefully edited and redacted files. His 1972 discharge (under other than honorable conditions) is still being hidden. His "records" contain an "Honorable" 1978 discharge -- six years after he was really discharged -- given to him via Jimmy Carter.

Kerry remains the lying, opportunistic Marxist he always has been.

16 posted on 06/08/2005 10:14:47 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Darksheare

Read his/her posts since signing up


17 posted on 06/08/2005 10:17:54 AM PDT by Minnesoootan
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To: newcthem

We need a bumper sticker that says that Kerry's grades have proven to be lower than W's. That should bring a few of them up short if they have any honesty in them.


18 posted on 06/08/2005 10:18:42 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: Minnesoootan

Saw them.
Sounds fishy.


19 posted on 06/08/2005 10:20:20 AM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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To: newcthem
CBS and Rather admit to spending 5 Years in desperately trying to find something, anything, in George Bush's National Guard records to hang around his neck. 5 Years! Let see how much perseverance the media has with Kerry's records.
20 posted on 06/08/2005 10:38:14 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: All
Tin hat time.

Wha?!?!? Why? He hasn't released his records. He's a lying POS, and to say "Tin hat time" is to pretend that Hanoi John has done what was asked of him.

Bush released his. Bush senior did. Bob Dole did. Even our least favorite RINO McCain did. But here's effin Hanoi John pretending he is someting more than a lying lawyereese speaking POS.

He's still a teenage boy trying to pretend he's smart. The conversation goes something like this...

FATHER: Son, did you bathe?

SON: Yes, I did!

FATHER: (After taking a whiff) I want you to go upstairs into the bathroom. REMOVE your clothes. Put them INTO the hamper. CLOSE the lid on the hamper. Step INTO the shower. TURN ON the shower. DO NOT avoid the stream of water! Get completely wet. Use SOAP! Wash your body with soap! Scrub your private areas well! Get your hair wet! The hair on your head! Wash your hair (the hair on your head) with shampoo! Completely RINSE the shampoo molecules from the hair on your head. Place conditioner in your freshly rinsed hair on your head! Massage it into the hair on your HEAD! Wait one minute of TIME, equal to sixty seconds on MY WATCH! Completely rinse the conditioner molecules from the hair on your head! Turn off the water! Use a TOWEL! A CLEAN TOWEL! Dry your body all over with a clean towel, including the hair on your head. DO NOT remove your dirty clothes from the clothes hamper. Put on clean underwear, socks, pants and shirt, where "clean" is defined as living up to the standards previously set forth by YOUR MOTHER in document 234.56.78.

And that is what needs to happen to Hanoi John! Someone needs to spell out every single eventuality or else he'll weasel until the cows come home.

I wonder how many hundreds of gallons of urine that has been saved for Hanoi Jane's grave will now be divvied up for the both of them?

21 posted on 06/08/2005 10:39:24 AM PDT by MarineBrat (We are taxed twice as much by our idleness. -- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Old North State

your taking Dan and See B.S. to literally-

they actually have been attacking Bush since he ran for
Governor-

Remember always--( Dan did fundraising for the Demonrats !)

Dan's daughter is a PAID consultant of the Demonrat party.

The rather "Clan" hates America


22 posted on 06/08/2005 11:10:52 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: Darksheare
Sounds fishy.

Agreed. A real tightrope walker...

23 posted on 06/08/2005 11:23:53 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky

Yeah, he does quite a balancing act there.
I like his defense of Kerry.
That alone is distasteful enough.


24 posted on 06/08/2005 12:02:12 PM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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To: Warthogtjm

LOL


25 posted on 06/08/2005 12:41:29 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops)
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To: yoe
YOU MOVE ON! I AM STAYING RIGHT ON KERRY'S TAIL!

Right on!!! He need to be in PRISON !!!!

26 posted on 06/08/2005 12:42:51 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops)
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To: StrangerInParadise; Darksheare; metesky
Tin hat time

Put my zotter detector hat on !!!??? :-)))

27 posted on 06/08/2005 12:49:49 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops)
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To: Deetes; StrangerInParadise

Yeah, he can keep the lightning rod on his head.
;-)


28 posted on 06/08/2005 12:51:48 PM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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To: StrangerInParadise
Move on??? That's nuts. Not a day goes by that I don't think about JFnK (and Kennedy for that matter) getting voted out of office! Kerry might have quite a senate race on his hands in 2006, and I'm hoping he has to be on the defensive at every turn of that race, (which we all know he can't handle).

That man makes my stomach turn. Him getting into office in the first place was a crime. This man (monster) has a hand in federal laws. His records have not been released and moving on is not an option!
29 posted on 06/08/2005 1:03:56 PM PDT by lorris
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To: Deetes
The Sound of One Hand Clapping

Our item yesterday on John Kerry*, his military records and his Yale transcript prompted this criticism from a reader:

Your failure to acknowledge that John Kerry's Navy records contained praise from (future) members of the Swift Boats outfit demonstrates your lack of integrity and your fundamental dishonesty. You are a shill. Congratulations.

"The Swift Boats outfit," of course, is the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, and sure enough, yesterday's Boston Globe did say this:

The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service. . . . An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign because it contains a number of reports lauding his service.

OK, so we goofed. We should have noted this yesterday. The reason we didn't is that we remembered reading in the paper that the Swift Boat guys were a bunch of liars, so we assumed their praise was not to be trusted.

Now that their credibility has been re-established, let's check in on what they're saying about the release of Kerry's records. Blogger Matt Margolis has the following comment (scroll down to "Update III") from Swift Boat honcho John O'Neill:

We called for Kerry to execute a form which would permit anyone to examine his full and unexpulgated [sic] military records at the Navy Department and the National Personnel Records Center. Instead he executed a form permitting his hometown paper to obtain the records currently at the Navy Department. The Navy Department previously indicated its records did not include various materials. This is hardly what we called for.

If he did execute a complete release of all records we could then answer questions such as (1) Did he ever receive orders to Cambodia or file any report of such a mission (whether at Christmas or otherwise); (2) What was his discharge status between 1970 and 1978 (when he received a discharge) and was it affected by his meetings in 1970 and 1971 with the North Vietnamese? (3) why did he receive much later citations for medals purportedly signed by Secretary Lehman who said he did not know of them; (4) Are there Hostile Fire and Personnel Injured by Hostile Fire Reports for Kerry's Dec. 1968 Purple Heart (when the officer in charge of the boat Admiral Schacte, the treating Surgeon Louis Letson, and Kerry's Division Commander deny there was hostile fire causing a scratch) awarded three months later under unknown circumstances.

Remember, O'Neill heads a group whose members praised Kerry, so he can hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan.

* No, actually the asterisk isn't part of his name.

-- BEST OF THE WEB TODAY
30 posted on 06/08/2005 2:48:28 PM PDT by OESY
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To: Deetes

bump


31 posted on 06/08/2005 2:56:50 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: Deetes; johnny7; TomGuy; maryz; Lonesome in Massachussets; JLO; gidget7; nopardons; Kenny Bunk; ...

LT ping


32 posted on 06/08/2005 5:21:41 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: OESY

John Kerry, Please Stop Calling Me

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/06/08/175154.php


"I gave money to John Kerry's campaign in the 2004 election. I still receive calls to this day asking for money. Either its kids needing healthcare or Kerry needing a tutor in foreign policy (see my post about Kerry's undergrad grades) - it seems like its always something my tax dollars, or Senator Kerry, can't fix without an additional $50 from me.

To Senator Kerry: With all do respect, we aren't stupid. We all know you are running again in 2008. When you have your people call us to ask for money, why don't you just have them say it's for that. At least then we can get a laugh out of it and don't have to think about impoverished children all day long.

Sincerely, An Independent thinker who was never impressed with you in the first place and is less impressed with you now.

P.S. Please stop calling me.



33 posted on 06/08/2005 5:25:08 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: newcthem
As long as my idiotic neighbor keeps her Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker on her car

Does your neighbor keep her car in the garage. I have a neighbor who plans to keep his Kerry yard sign out until after the 2008 election.

And he didn't like it too much when I told him he could have his choice of either calendar - The RNC calendar with GWB on each page, or a Ronald Reagan calendar my daughter gave me, to mark down every day he had that loser sign in his yard. Some people just can't get over it.

34 posted on 06/08/2005 5:26:12 PM PDT by Bernard (Which gospel does your truth come from?)
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To: Rabble

I agree!


35 posted on 06/08/2005 5:41:04 PM PDT by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: Bernard
And he didn't like it too much when I told him he could have his choice of either calendar - The RNC calendar with GWB on each page, or a Ronald Reagan calendar my daughter gave me, to mark down every day he had that loser sign in his yard.

A really GOOD neighbor would give him 4 years of G. Gordon Liddy's "Stacked and Packed" calendars...

36 posted on 06/08/2005 5:41:14 PM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: StrangerInParadise

You don't REALLY believe what you just posted, do you? Where have you been? You don't want to see these doc's before you leap to the conclusion that they've been fully disclosed? You take Kerry's word for it that they have? What were you thinking?


37 posted on 06/08/2005 5:53:26 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: StrangerInParadise

"Tin hat time. The records have been released and people need to move on."



There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS

Distribute these url's!

Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html


EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!

http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html

Full details on these url's!

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

Did you see this...?
(The 'Kerry's Promise Counter')
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=6628
Polipundit even tells you how to install it on your own page!

Swift Boat Veteran For Truth John O'Neill Comments on Kerry's 180 'Release'
6/7/05
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418592/posts


38 posted on 06/08/2005 7:32:44 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple; PhiKapMom; Mo1

Have ya'll seen this?


39 posted on 06/08/2005 9:22:35 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
No, I hadn't seen this. Thanks for pinging me!

I see that someone wants us to "move on." I wonder why?

Sooner or later those records are going to come out, one way or another. Someone will see them and blab, whether at the records center, the Pentagon, or the paper. Kerry can't keep dodging forever.

40 posted on 06/08/2005 10:26:21 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: StrangerInParadise

If Kerry has nothing to hide then why is he hiding it?


41 posted on 06/08/2005 11:19:23 PM PDT by Outraged (Time to put pressure on the party)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
What the Boston Globe got was the remainder of whatever the Navy received from NPRC, less what Kerry wished to withhold.

I suppose this is what The Boston Globe meant by "undeleted" copies

42 posted on 06/08/2005 11:21:57 PM PDT by Mo1 (Democrats = The Socialist Party)
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To: StrangerInParadise
"Tin hat time. The records have been released and people need to move on. "

NO! SOME records have been cleansed and released. Remember, this AH is a US senator. Enough said!

43 posted on 06/08/2005 11:26:21 PM PDT by de Buillion (Ready, Fire, Aim!)
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To: de Buillion; All

Shame on you all for feeding the troll. Does it need to be a neon flashing sign?


44 posted on 06/08/2005 11:34:28 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (When in doubt, cite the Commerce Clause)
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To: Minnesoootan
"Read his/her posts since signing up "

I did that very thing- so what? Didn't see anything radical or far out.......

45 posted on 06/08/2005 11:41:32 PM PDT by de Buillion (Ready, Fire, Aim!)
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To: Sir Gawain

I will accept your more senior judgement. I have trouble recognizing this one.


46 posted on 06/08/2005 11:45:43 PM PDT by de Buillion (Ready, Fire, Aim!)
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To: de Buillion

All I said is that I don't want to spend any more energy/time/resources revisiting the election. If JFK runs again for a national office, revisit. Otherwise, I'd rather see judges confirmed, GWOT successfully prosecuted, and Howard Dean continue to be the best friend the GOP ever had. If others want to continue to rehash his records, fine. Just not me.

SIP


47 posted on 06/09/2005 6:40:26 AM PDT by StrangerInParadise (Immutable Rules of Warfare: Pillage First, Then Burn. Do Not Attempt in Reverse Order.)
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