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What Howard Dean REALLY Said. (and why it's more scary than funny)
John K.

Posted on 06/08/2005 5:54:56 PM PDT by jsk10

"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for," former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean told Democrats gathered at a Manhattan hotel, in quotes picked up by the New York Daily News. Jan. 29, 2005

Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean on Wednesday defended his recent harsh criticism of Republicans, including his observation that they are "pretty much a white, Christian party." June 8, 2005

I know I'm not the only one to make the link, but I'm not sure everyone is as bothered as I am about this. Howard Dean states unabashedly that he hates Republicans. Fine, absolutely his perogative to hate whoever he wants. Then he characterizes Republicans as "white Christians". Despite the absurdity of the quote (I am exhibit A as to why that quote is so stupid), this guy is the de facto head of one of the two major political parties in the United States. If he hates Republicans and everything they stand for...and states unequivocally that they are made up of Christians, he is stating he hates Christians. Is this a reach? I don't think so. He hates Republicans, Republicans are Christians. His words, not mine.

I can not argue it any better than David Limbaugh's book Persecution, but the idea that the leader of the Democratic Party is so openly hostile to the predominant religion of this country is beyond a partisan argument. It threatens the absolute foundation of of this country, I honestly believe that.

On the flip side, I think Howard Dean actually does promote faith in one way. He is proof that God exists, God has a sense of humor, and that God smiles on Republicans.


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Fight the Good Fight - Keep the Faith
1 posted on 06/08/2005 5:54:56 PM PDT by jsk10
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To: jsk10

He just insulted whites, Christians, and Republicans all with one little sentence.

But at least he still likes guys who drive pickup trucks with Confederate flags....


2 posted on 06/08/2005 5:57:19 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: jsk10

Don't bother the enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself.

Go, Howard, Go!


3 posted on 06/08/2005 5:57:48 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: GoodEvilNoneOfTheAbove

I don't hate Democrats. Zell Miller seems like a nice guy.


5 posted on 06/08/2005 5:59:55 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: GoodEvilNoneOfTheAbove

Who's "we?" Otherwise, welcome to FR.


7 posted on 06/08/2005 6:01:44 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: jsk10

I think that's a reach, but so what? I just hope he keeps saying stupid things like this.

Dean for President/Senator/Representative/DNC Chair/God of the Democratic Universe, whatever. Just keep him in the limelight. It's great for R's.


9 posted on 06/08/2005 6:05:21 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: jsk10

A few weeks ago he said the democRATS would be competitive in all 50 states. I wonder what states he was talking about?


10 posted on 06/08/2005 6:06:07 PM PDT by putupjob
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To: zbigreddogz

yeah, it probably is. a little hyperbole can be good for FR. ;<)


11 posted on 06/08/2005 6:07:02 PM PDT by jsk10
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To: GoodEvilNoneOfTheAbove

Oh, well that's very different... Hating what Dems stand for is not the same as hating Democrats.

"beating around the bush...." Is that supposed to be a pun?


12 posted on 06/08/2005 6:08:05 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: GoodEvilNoneOfTheAbove

We despise their ideas. "Hate" is imprecise, and some of my best friends are democrats.

Having a liberal friend is like having a friend that's ruining their life with crack. You can try to persuade them, but if they want to self destruct there's no way to stop them.

I don't hate them. I pity them.


13 posted on 06/08/2005 6:09:58 PM PDT by Ramius (Don't get strung out... by the way I look...)
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To: GoodEvilNoneOfTheAbove

The President, VP, nor any Republican leaders speak with the distain, mocking or hatred that the Dems do, never.

And it has been that way for 40 years.



14 posted on 06/08/2005 6:10:16 PM PDT by roses of sharon (,)
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To: jsk10

Keep talkin' Howie there are some Christian democrats out there and they hear ya too.


15 posted on 06/08/2005 6:11:30 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: jsk10; All
Just remember those of good Christian faith, the bible tells us we're right.

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The wise man's understanding turns him to his right, the fool's understanding turns him to his left.

Let the fool speak, it will be his undoing.

16 posted on 06/08/2005 6:12:57 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: jsk10

There is no question that Dean hates traditional Christian believers.


17 posted on 06/08/2005 6:13:12 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: GoodEvilNoneOfTheAbove; Admin Moderator
We hate everything Dems stand for. Let's not beat around the bush.

"We?" Sign-up date 06/08/2005. Welcome to Free Republic. Hello, Viking Kitties!

18 posted on 06/08/2005 6:13:29 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: Howlin; Protect the Bill of Rights; MinuteGal; Goodgirlinred

Ping on my own post.

want your feedback! :)


19 posted on 06/08/2005 6:13:55 PM PDT by jsk10
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To: infidel29

I am embarrassed to say...I didn't know that scripture. But now I do, and it's one of my favorites! Thanks!!!!


20 posted on 06/08/2005 6:15:30 PM PDT by jsk10
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To: jsk10
I just heard it the first time this morning and had to verify it. Luckily I keep my bible on my desk for just such an occasion.

I'm embarrassed that I didn't know it as well, being a former altar boy and having been through 8 years of Catholic School.

21 posted on 06/08/2005 6:18:27 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: infidel29

Southern Baptist forever here. President of FCA in high school. Taught at VBS last year. And this past Sunday, had to ask wife if Ephesians was New or Old Testament. Oops.


22 posted on 06/08/2005 6:20:08 PM PDT by jsk10
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To: Inspectorette; GoodEvilNoneOfTheAbove

A 'slip of the tongue' crossed my mind.

Not much gets by folks around here, GENOTA.


23 posted on 06/08/2005 6:20:16 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: jsk10

Without looking....New?


24 posted on 06/08/2005 6:25:13 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: infidel29

I don't hate demonRATS. My best friend's {staunch pubbie} son is an independent that votes for the demonRATs. He is in his mid 30's and he and his wife have their own business and work very hard. I've known him since his birth and with this exception he is very level headed. I've tried talking to him but to no avail. Rather than make myself crazy, I've stopped talking politics with him. When he once asked me why I've stopped trying to convert him, I simply replied, " With your closed mind, you're not worth my time". I do not understand why seemingly intelligent people are swayed by propoganda.


25 posted on 06/08/2005 6:29:33 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: GoodEvilNoneOfTheAbove

"We hate everything Dems stand for"


Yes we do .. but we DON'T HATE PEOPLE - WE HATE THEIR POLICIES - and that is the HUGE difference.


26 posted on 06/08/2005 6:31:10 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: infidel29

Nice pick. You are truly blessed. :)

Obadiah - shortest book in Bible. I would have lost the bet that it was even a book.

Psalms - longest book.

"Thou shall remember the Taliban, to keep them holy" - book of Howard (Dean)


27 posted on 06/08/2005 6:32:23 PM PDT by jsk10
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To: putupjob
I wonder what states he was talking about?

state of confusion, state of denial, state of delusion, state of dementia, and 46 others (plus the District of Columbia).

28 posted on 06/08/2005 6:36:11 PM PDT by GoBucks2002 (MSM now stands for "Muslim Sympathizing Media." http://yankeered.blog.com)
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To: Ramius
Good evening.
"I don't hate them. I pity them."

Hate is a caustic emotion that generally hurts the hater as much as the target of the hatred.

Pity is much less harmful but I think many people would rather be hated.

Michael Frazier
29 posted on 06/08/2005 6:36:13 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Ramius
Good evening.
"I don't hate them. I pity them."

Hate is a caustic emotion that generally hurts the hater as much as the target of the hatred.

Pity is much less harmful but I think many people would rather be hated.

Michael Frazier
30 posted on 06/08/2005 6:38:05 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: jsk10
Hate, darkness, and tyranny go together; but, in America, in the Founding period, they were overcome with a philosophy of caring, light and liberty! Where in the world does Dean think the ideas of liberty that allow him the freedom to spew his partisan hatred came from?

Perhaps he ought to read the sermons of the Revolutionary Period, as well as the writings of the signers of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

His ignorance of America's philosophical foundations shouts so loudly one can hardly hear a word he's saying!

31 posted on 06/08/2005 6:39:32 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: jsk10

Well, I know we're not supposed to use Nazi analogies, but Howard Dean is the closest thing to Hitler that I've seen in sixty years.


33 posted on 06/08/2005 6:41:44 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: USS Alaska
I can honestly say I was a democrat although I've always been a registered independent. Now their politics, their collective elitism, and their general demeanor causes me extreme dislike for their party and the more militant members of it.

That being said my fiancee is a black democrat. She insists that she wants Kerry to run again so she can vote for him again. Nothing I've done so far has worked to change her mind.

34 posted on 06/08/2005 6:41:47 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: GoodEvilNoneOfTheAbove
Yeah but we hate DemoRATS so it's pretty much a wash right?

There's very little in this world that I actually hate. I disagree vehemently with much of the Dems' approach to this nation's policies. I flat out object to socialism and communism and any attempt to foist them on us. Hate? I hate the ideas that caused people to fly planes into the World Trade Center. I hate evil. And I hate deception, troll.

35 posted on 06/08/2005 6:41:53 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living affront to Islam since 1959)
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To: jsk10

36 posted on 06/08/2005 6:43:20 PM PDT by wolicy_ponk (If we're not the mainstream, how come we nearly control all three branches of Government?)
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To: angrylibertarian
"but that his problem is that he thinks the republicans don't go far enough to embrace minorities."

Oh really? Pardon me while I scoff at that idea, on the night that a Democrat Senator former KKK member, BYRD voted against Justice Janice Brown for confirmation as an Appeals Court Nominee. And that's just what happenned in the last couple of hours!

37 posted on 06/08/2005 6:46:32 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: jsk10
Emerson said, "the gospel of hatred must be preached". Dean is doing his emersonian duty as he perceives it. Dean needs to get born-again saved and recant from his hate-mongering, frothing at the mouth miscreancy.
38 posted on 06/08/2005 6:48:52 PM PDT by mindwasp
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To: mindwasp

can he wait til 2009 to do the right thing? til then...a few more years of howling howie wouldn't be so bad


39 posted on 06/08/2005 6:51:41 PM PDT by jsk10
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To: infidel29
Nothing I've done so far has worked to change her mind.

And nothing will. The less you try, the better off you'll be.

Realization must come from the self; people that have their identities wrapped around their politcal / philiosophical beliefs take a long time to change.

IMHO, of course.
40 posted on 06/08/2005 7:00:31 PM PDT by motzman (now whatda?)
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Oh, I agree with you, I generally try to not talk politics with her at all. The only time it comes up is when she makes a comment about the President or something she heard on network news. Just like Rush says I only defend.

The sad thing is she is right along with me on a lot of issues, but votes democratic because that's what she's always done, what her parents always did and all of her relatives have done. She won't accept that certain views are republican, and others that the dems used to stand for, they don't anymore.

41 posted on 06/08/2005 7:07:09 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: wolicy_ponk

Ya wanna know what's really funny? The brainiacs over at DU think that all our "thanks for Howie he's the best thing that ever happened to the GOP" rhetoric is just a transparent attempt to use reverse psychology on them. They think Dean makes us quake in our boots, and we've decided among ourselves that the best way to get rid of this terrible threat is to pretend we like them. No I'm not joking.

(steely)

42 posted on 06/08/2005 7:14:01 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: jsk10
Much as I love them, our conservative talk radio hosts are doggedly doing their best to get Crazy Howie canned from his DNC chairmanship. Rank and file conservatives even on these threads are doing likewise.

Unfortunately, we may get what we're asking for.....a rational, likeable, effective new chairman, if they can come up with one. I'm sure they could.

It's so delicious to knock Dean right at the moment, now. But later everyone will be kicking themselves if the worst (or best) happens and he's replaced.

(cripeys, I've got mixed emotions over this, myself, LOL).

Leni

43 posted on 06/08/2005 7:19:01 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Remember, Half the People You Know are Below Average)
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To: jsk10

The man has too much hate in his heart. He needs to repent.


44 posted on 06/08/2005 7:44:17 PM PDT by Chewbacca (My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead, and thats the way I like it!)
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To: MinuteGal
conservative talk radio hosts are doggedly doing their best to get Crazy Howie canned from his DNC chairmanship. Rank and file conservatives even on these threads are doing likewise.

Unfortunately, we may get what we're asking for.....

sometimes we are having so much fun, we dont learn by our mistakes: we drummed Howie off the Dem ticket in 04 (OK so he helped.... a lot! but we still shot ourselves in the foot).

45 posted on 06/08/2005 7:46:41 PM PDT by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here.)
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To: Steely Tom

exceeelent


idiots like Howie and the DUmmies are the reason I(and many friends and family) left the Dem party.


46 posted on 06/08/2005 8:00:12 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: USS Alaska
Do not give that which is holy to dogs nor cast your pearls before the swine. Even Jesus teaches that there comes a time when you must accept the poor decisions of good people
47 posted on 06/08/2005 8:00:43 PM PDT by kublia khan (total war brings absolute victory)
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To: jsk10
The demo slogan for 08:

Hate in 08

48 posted on 06/08/2005 8:27:39 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Wimpy Lindsay Graham, I am ashamed of you, you lied to me)
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To: Baynative

49 posted on 06/08/2005 8:30:07 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The theory of evolution is the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century - Michael Denton)
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To: jsk10

Yeah, the Dims are all negative on christians and their religion, but boy do they love to visit black churches and sing a different tune there. White christians=bad, black christians=good???? Not even subtle about it.

A lib friend firmly believes that W's goal is to turn the US into a theocracy. [roll eyes here]


50 posted on 06/08/2005 8:38:58 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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