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Tenth Amendment intact after pot ruling
Denver Post ^ | 6/8/05 | Al Knight

Posted on 06/08/2005 6:54:42 PM PDT by Crackingham

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To: thoughtomator

Aaackkk Phphhhhttt!!! See previous post. Tho' yes, I know. It's a pretty easy cop-out...


41 posted on 06/09/2005 6:52:01 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: green iguana
how about carrying guns in a school zone?

NOT a Federal concern. Have you re-read Article I, Section 8 or Amendment X lately?

42 posted on 06/09/2005 7:27:57 AM PDT by FreeKeys ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Crackingham
"Not only is it impossible to distinguish 'controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate' from 'controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate'

State do that every day with liquor. California has elaborate safeguards regarding registered medical marijuana - and is someone is not a registered user, their pot cannot be used legally by a non-registered user. Nothing changes the larger law.

This is a strawman argument used to justify controlling activity that is neither interstate or commerce.

43 posted on 06/09/2005 7:30:41 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: FreeKeys

Dude... He was asking for an example of an activity that the Feds couldn't regulate, and I (without naming it) gave the example of US v. Lopez. Read the postings before you fire off a nasty comment please.


44 posted on 06/09/2005 7:49:43 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: An.American.Expatriate
"As the court explains, tomatoes which are grown at home and possessed for personal use are never more than an instant from the interstate market and this is so whether or not the possession is for nutritional use or lawful use under the laws of a particular state."

When the precedent the Court appeals to is almost identical to a reductio ad absurdum of the argument they used, it's a bad precedent.

45 posted on 06/09/2005 7:51:54 AM PDT by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: green iguana

oops. sorry.


46 posted on 06/09/2005 7:53:34 AM PDT by FreeKeys ("Rules, laws - always for other fellow." -- Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress)
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To: green iguana
green iguana said: "I don't support the decision, but to answer your question, how about carrying guns in a school zone?"

Perhaps I am mistaken, but didn't Congress turn around and pass almost identical legislation after the Supreme Court struck down the law, including additional language attempting to make the case that "interstate commerce" was somehow affected? Isn't there a federal law on the books now which prohibits carrying in a school zone?

47 posted on 06/09/2005 10:15:34 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

I did not think so - I'll look into it. I know there are plenty of state and local ordinances tho'.


48 posted on 06/09/2005 2:35:45 PM PDT by green iguana
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To: Publius6961

I agree that medical marijuana is a waste of time.

Let the legalization be legalization, not this half-ass lawbreaking through misrepresentations to doctors. "Kaff, koff, I'm sick, gimme some THC, doc!"

That said, this was still a mistaken ruling. If pot grown and consumed in one state can be part of the ICC considerations, there is nothing that cannot be. I'd love to see them apply logic like this to the recusals of judges.

"I cannot sit on this case between Citibank and American Express because if Citibank loses, their rates will go up, that will affect the rates of banks nationwide, and that will affect my bank rates, and that means I have an interest. On the other hand, if American Express loses, their rates will go up, that will affect the rates of credit cards nationwide, and that will affect my credit cards, and that means I have an interest. In fact, I can't sit on any cases because I might somehow affect someone who may affect the market which might affect me."


49 posted on 06/09/2005 3:45:13 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: billbears

"As intact as it was before, which is to say dead and buried, right where it's been since April 1865."

Bump to that. Sadly.


50 posted on 06/09/2005 3:46:43 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: William Tell

Well I'll be... They did. If I'm reading this article on the NRA's site correctly tho', it is a watered-down version of the previous attempt and contains language that subordinates it to local and state laws (I think.) Here's the link:

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/factsheets/read.aspx?ID=62


51 posted on 06/10/2005 10:16:15 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
This is a clear example of the difference between Scalia and Thomas. Scalia is much more willing to bow to precedent, even if the precedent (in this case, abuse of the interstate commerce clause) is wrong.

People long ago should have woken up to the fact that Scalia is no friend of limited government constitutional conservatives. He is a statist and will resort to any precedent to justify maximum powers for the federal government.

Scalia's strength is clarity and logic, which he will follow even to an absurdity such as this expansion of the interstate commerce clause to regulate anything that could conceivably become interstate commerce.

52 posted on 04/17/2011 5:45:57 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

Wow, blast from the past!

I don’t think I would go quite as far as you in your description of Scalia — his votes are often right on the money constitutionally. After all these years, though, I remain convinced that his deference to precedent poisons his thinking too frequently.


53 posted on 04/17/2011 7:52:58 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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