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What your grades don't say (Kerry v. Bush)
chicago tribune ^ | 5/9/05 | Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service

Posted on 06/09/2005 5:48:03 AM PDT by bitt

editorial,Chicago Tribune on Wednesday, June 8:

snip ....Grades do measure important attributes: tenacity, organization, calculation and, especially, persistence. They do not, though, reliably measure passion, kindness or integrity. No matter what our transcripts say, most of us come to realize that desire trumps talent - and that, if you have a lousy attitude, neither of those strengths will bring fulfillment, or much else.

(Excerpt) Read more at fortwayne.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; gwb2004; kerry; kerryrecord; lyingtraitor; yale
"No matter what our transcripts say, most of us come to realize that desire trumps talent - and that, if you have a lousy attitude, neither of those strengths will bring fulfillment, or much else."

Is the Tribune cranking on sKerry?

1 posted on 06/09/2005 5:48:03 AM PDT by bitt
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To: bitt

Of course standards are objective when they praise or uplift media darlings and other worldly wanna-bes and are subjective when they praise or uplift those who work against the heralds of this world. Old old story and the Trib needn't be ashamed: they're only doing their job for their boss.

-==Beleg==-


2 posted on 06/09/2005 5:50:06 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (I think, therefore I vote Republican)
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To: bitt
I've never been asked for my grades when applying for a job. Bush is President for cripes sakes. His grades are not even relevant at this time.

I'd sure like to see the differences in curriculum that Kerry and Bush took. I bet it's an eye opener.

3 posted on 06/09/2005 5:52:49 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: bitt

Thanks for posting this! Nice closing lines... >>>

"So, as we leave the stage with our diplomas, most of us are not yet the people we will be.

You can check that with George W. Bush, who got a high B in philosophy. Or with John Kerry, who finished with a high B in political science."


4 posted on 06/09/2005 5:53:41 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: BelegStrongbow; bitt

"the Trib needn't be ashamed: they're only doing their job for their boss."

"Is the Tribune cranking on Kerry?"

I'm pretty sure the Tribune endorsed Bush. Generally speaking, the paper is culturally liberal and fiscally conservative, though when push comes to shove it tends to endorse Republicans.


5 posted on 06/09/2005 5:54:18 AM PDT by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: bitt

While solid passing grades in school are important, what has been LOST in the whole process, due to learning institution failure, is "WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED?". Many kids today are not learning well, at all. That is what is important.

But I see this as an attempt by Kerry to water down the failures of the union-dominated government education system's massive failures. There is NO EXCUSE for what is, and who is responsible for it. We know the answers -- the libs will NEVER fix the educations system. A poorly educated public is the Socialist's dream machine.


6 posted on 06/09/2005 5:59:51 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: bitt

Not a bad article, I was expecting the worst. Please correct me if I am wrong but you just don't get a B+ in philosophy at Yale by being stupid, and you certainly don't win a second term against all odds mounted against you by being stupid.



7 posted on 06/09/2005 6:00:35 AM PDT by quesera (“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”)
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To: BackInBlack
ya, that was my take...


8 posted on 06/09/2005 6:01:43 AM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: Sacajaweau

"I'd sure like to see the differences in curriculum that Kerry and Bush took. I bet it's an eye opener."

Bush took business courses, Kerry took liberal arts courses. No suprise here.






9 posted on 06/09/2005 6:10:56 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: BackInBlack; All

from CaptainsQuarters:

'His spokesman David Wade gave this statement to the
Washington Times:

David Wade, Mr. Kerry's Senate office spokesman and former campaign spokesman, said the release of the records put the issue of his war record to rest.

"This issue is over, and what's clear for the 300th time is that the partisan smear artists who made the 180 the holy grail of attack politics are still liars," Mr. Wade said. "John Kerry has given unprecedented access to his military and medical records. In fact he has given more access than any candidate in modern history. End of story."

He said the campaign refused to sign the form last year because it didn't want to give in to calls from "the same partisan operatives who were lying about his record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media."
Mr. Wade did not say whether Mr. Kerry would authorize similar access for The Washington Times or other press outlets. '


10 posted on 06/09/2005 6:15:41 AM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: Sacajaweau

"I'd sure like to see the differences in curriculum that Kerry and Bush took. I bet it's an eye opener."

Excellent point. I was thinking the same thing. I think Bush was a business major, a much more rigorous course of study compared to French and polysci.


11 posted on 06/09/2005 6:22:08 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: bitt

If sKerry does not allow for impartial review of ALL his records the case is NOT closed! The Boston Globe has NO IDEA what to look for!


12 posted on 06/09/2005 6:27:20 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: bitt

I'm pleasantly surprised. I thought it was going to be another "grades don't count, Kerry is smarter anyway" thing. Leno did a routine along those lines last night. Infuriating.


13 posted on 06/09/2005 6:29:51 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: BackInBlack

Yes, the Tribune did endorse Bush.


14 posted on 06/09/2005 6:40:36 AM PDT by somerville
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To: Neoliberalnot

I don't believe you can major in business at Yale. Perhaps he majored in History ?Does anyone know ?


15 posted on 06/09/2005 6:41:36 AM PDT by somerville
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To: bitt
Key parts to include in excerpt:

So students of politics may have been surprised Tuesday to learn that Kerry's performance at Yale was no better - and perhaps slightly worse - than Bush's. The Boston Globe, citing records Kerry allowed the Navy to release, reported that Kerry had a cumulative grade of 76 during his four years at Yale, with several D's on his transcript. Under Yale's grading system then in effect, a score of 70 to 79 qualified as a C - which is better than freshman Kerry earned in geology, history or political science.

``I always told my dad that `D' stood for distinction,'' Kerry told the Globe on Monday.

It is notable that both of them got their lowest (D-range) grades in science classes (geology and astronomy), which might be a good indicator of why they are both so bad on those issues and quite hostile to good science.

16 posted on 06/09/2005 6:43:27 AM PDT by Gondring (The can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold dead hands.)
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To: bitt

If I remember correctly, weren't JFK's grades fairly mediocre?


17 posted on 06/09/2005 6:43:51 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: bitt

skerry has always thought of himself as the "movie star" politician. He thought looks ( ugly as dirt to me)would take him to the top. SURPRISE


18 posted on 06/09/2005 6:52:54 AM PDT by marty60
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To: Sacajaweau
I'd sure like to see the differences in curriculum that Kerry and Bush took. I bet it's an eye opener.

I heard on Fox News that Kerry's best grade was in FRENCH.

It figures.

19 posted on 06/09/2005 7:10:18 AM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: MizSterious

Give the Boston Globe its due, no matter their overarching biases they've dug up more dirt on Kerry over the years than any other paper. Theres a bit of a game between the Globe and the Boston Herald to see who can get the latest dirt on Kennedy and Kerry, the Globe usually wins. A lot of the groundwork for Kerry stories in the campaign came from old Globe articles.

As for Yale grades, it means nothing to me and clearly it hasnt hurt either man. I'd like to see more presidential canidates not connected to the ivy league old boy network. Since the 1940s the only non-ivy leaguers were Ike, LBJ, Carter and Reagan. Nixon is a toss up since Duke is essentially an ivy school.

Consider the likely 2008 canidates (thus far)

Ivy Leaguers - Hillary Clinton, Mitt Romney, Bill Frist, John Kerry

Non Ivy - John Mccain, John Edwards, Condi Rice, Newt Gingrich, Evan Bayh and believe it or not Jeb Bush!


20 posted on 06/09/2005 7:12:58 AM PDT by planetpatrol
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To: somerville

A quick search can set the record straight. I am fairly certain that Pres Bush got his MBA at Harvard. He is obviously highly intelligent. Contrary to the lying friends of Kerry Press Corp, they do not give these degrees away.


21 posted on 06/09/2005 7:14:39 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: bitt
If Kerry is chronologically 4 years older than Bush then why did he graduate from Yale in 1966 while Bush graduated in 1968. During the campaign Kerry's age was posted as 62. Bush was/is 58.

Was Kerry a six year undergrad?
22 posted on 06/09/2005 7:23:41 AM PDT by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: planetpatrol

Of all the people you mentioned, Condi and Newt are undoubtedly the most intelligent and informed-proof that Ivy League status means zilch when it comes to actual ability.


23 posted on 06/09/2005 7:29:30 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is not conservative!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Bush majored in history at Yale and got an MBA at Harvard.


24 posted on 06/09/2005 7:33:05 AM PDT by somerville
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To: xtinct

Both Kerry and Bush went straight to Yale after prep school, both spent 4 years there. They are actually 2.5 years apart, Kerry (12/11/63) and Bush (7/06/46). Any difference in educational timelines is probably due to a quirk of being X number of years old in august to enroll in kindergarten.


25 posted on 06/09/2005 7:37:15 AM PDT by planetpatrol
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To: RightWingAtheist

"Of all the people you mentioned, Condi and Newt are undoubtedly the most intelligent and informed-proof that Ivy League status means zilch when it comes to actual ability."

I don't doubt their intelligence, but, by what objective proof do you have they are the most intelligent?

I am sorry you are an atheist. So you think all of these complex life systems, the interstellar perfection required for life, are all just chance events? I suggest you know little about how complex life really is. By comparison, manmade objects are before primitive.


26 posted on 06/09/2005 7:47:53 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: Sacajaweau

I've been asked for GPA, and even transcripts, many times.


27 posted on 06/09/2005 8:09:06 AM PDT by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: planetpatrol
since Duke is essentially an ivy school.

Say what? I've never heard Duke mentioned as an Ivy-league school....

28 posted on 06/09/2005 8:10:57 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: Lou L

Its not Ivy in the literal sense, thats a closed circle of eight but in terms of standing its got to be right up there. I found out that West Point and the Naval Academy were once considered part of the Ivy League, so if you added them you could call Ike, Carter and McCain Ivy Leaguers as well.


29 posted on 06/09/2005 8:28:59 AM PDT by planetpatrol
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To: planetpatrol
Give the Boston Globe its due, no matter their overarching biases they've dug up more dirt on Kerry over the years than any other paper. Theres a bit of a game between the Globe and the Boston Herald to see who can get the latest dirt on Kennedy and Kerry, the Globe usually wins.

I think there's even more going on here than that. I think the MSM is trying to kill any chances he might have of going after Hillary in the Dem primaries. She's their choice.

30 posted on 06/09/2005 9:41:41 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Sacajaweau

Never asked?

Wow.

Most jobs ask for where you went to school (HS and college), what your major was and GPS.

Grades and class standing are not the defining criteria, what matter is what you do. . .and just sounding ponderous and serious doesn't mean you are intelligent (Kerry).


31 posted on 06/09/2005 11:09:58 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Neoliberalnot
I suggest you know little about how complex life really is.

Heck, nature in general...not just life...right?

32 posted on 06/09/2005 4:41:33 PM PDT by Gondring (The can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold dead hands.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I believe one of Bush's subjects was Japanese.


33 posted on 06/10/2005 3:41:48 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

As a side note of interest--Harvard is the nation's oldest university started in, I think the year was 1635, by a Christian minister.


34 posted on 06/10/2005 6:14:13 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: Lou L
Say what? I've never heard Duke mentioned as an Ivy-league school....

DOOK University (aka University of New Jersey at Durham) is often called "The Harvard of the South," just like Georgia Tech is called "The MIT of the South." FWIW, YMMV

35 posted on 06/10/2005 10:56:32 AM PDT by MikeD (What if the family turned to Jesus/Stopped asking Oprah what to do)
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