Posted on 06/09/2005 8:36:30 AM PDT by CHARLITE
A front page story in the Boston Globe claimed that: "Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records." In another Globe story Kerry had promised "The truth in its entirety will come out." But did it?
Kerry's election hopes faltered last summer and fall as accusations of fraudulent and incomplete military records were aired. The fact that Kerry repeatedly refused to sign a single-page military form called the Standard Form 180, that would have released all his military records to the public, was taken as proof he had something to hide.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth head John O'Neill, who raised many of the charges against Kerry during the campaign, was challenged by Kerry on "Meet the Press" in January. Kerry promised he would sign his Standard Form 180, but he wanted former Swift Boat officer O'Neill to sign as well.
All depends on how it's filled out
O'Neill did sign it and provided copies to the Chicago Sun-Times. According to O'Neill, "The Standard Form 180 could release 'the full military and medical records.' Or it could release just a few. It all depends on how it is filled out and where it was sent."
"There is nothing magic about signing a SF 180," said former Naval Judge Advocate General Mark Sullivan. "It is sort of like your checkbook. You can fill out a check for one dollar or a million. It is the same check form."
"And the Globe story says Kerry sent it to the Navy Personnel Command, which is only a limited storage location. So it is not surprising that the Globe then notes that what they received was largely 'duplication' of records previously released. The Navy Personnel Command primarily stores a subset of service records rather than a person's full military records. There is no doubt there are a lot of after-action records missing from what Kerry has released," said Sullivan.
Kerry's not talking
Washington Post reporter Michael Dobbs has already found a discrepancy confirmed by the Department of the Navy of "at least a hundred pages" missing from those already disclosed by Kerry.
"If you take a look at my SF 180," O'Neill said, "you will see I have authorized the total release of all my records to anyone requesting to see them. But without seeing how Kerry's SF 180 was filled out, everyone is only guessing about what was released."
So how an SF 180 is filled out is as important as signing it. But no one in the press has yet claimed to have seen a copy of Kerry's SF-180. When asked if she had a copy of Kerry's SF 180, the Globe's Managing Editor Mary Jane Wilkinson said, "I haven't seen it, and I don't know if anyone here has."
Kerry's Senate offices could not provide a copy of the Kerry SF 180 and would not answer inquiries. Is it possible that Kerry filled it out wrong or sent it to the wrong place?
O'Neill made Kerry an offer. "I'll be happy to bring one to Kerry's office and help him fill it out. And then we can take mine and his and deliver them to the right place together to make sure, as Kerry puts it, 'the truth in its entirety will come out.' "
Now that the Boston Globe has in its possession what it claims are Kerry's "full military and medical records," is the Globe ready to make these records available to the public? Wilkinson replied, "It is my understanding that Kerry will release these papers to anyone else now that he has signed the Form 180. The Boston Globe is not going to make available the papers we have received."
Thomas H. Lipscomb is a senior fellow at the Annenberg Center for the Digital Future at USC.
I love O'Neill
FYI ping
I've had a feeling for a while that Kerry has only partially revealed what is there.
Looks to me like Kerry never planned to satisfy the likes of John O'Neill, FR, and everybody else following this issue. The sole purpose was to do something to be used for talking points when the subject came up in the MSM, Sunday-morning news shows, future campaigns.
I just want to see the DD214.
Of course Kerry is unresponsive. He's been dead on arrival from the beginning!
He filled it out before he didn't fill it out.
What complete trash, and why now? He's chomping at the bit to start campaigning again. Misses the media attention. Wants to take advantage of the recent criticism of the war (bs prisoner abuse, etc.) He can't stay away from these incidiary issues and wants to re-live the '70s again.
His people still don't realize that it was his fellow vets who were his downfall. (and the families...and those currently serving).
He has no concept of the word honor.
(steely)
John Kerry, the storm continues to gather and it will not go away. I promise you that.
man...what kerri must be hiding- if he released the records that showed his GPA at Yale was worse then our President's could you imagine what else is there????
Do we need Kerry to sign a F-180 in order to see his F-180 he supposedly signed?
His DD214 is on he web-site - you might recall that he did not get accepted to Harvard Law because he was discharged with "less then honorable".
The admissions board noted that with that type of discharge, he would not be able to sit for the law exam and board in many states so, he was not accepted.
My understanding is the DD214 would reveal any disciplinary action he received as well as what kind of discharge he got...right?
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I don't remember but did W sign a Form 180 and if he did (I think he did) who did he release the records to? I'd like to know so that when a lib screams "Kerry signed his 180 and the GOP still isn't happy", I have something to rebuke them with.
The truth here is...that if a serious Vietnam War vet...chooses to run in the next Senate election against Kerry, and completely opens up all of his records...Kerry will have to open up his or face defeat. And Kerry can't afford to admit to the public that he was "booted" out of the navy, and that Carter's adminstration just wrote up a nice general discharge instead. It'll be black and white in the records...which you really wouldn't want to admit. I think we need to find a clean-cut Republican from Mass...who has a open history...and just let him run as a "open-book". Kerry wouldn't be able to debate the guy without this topic coming up.
Flaming lies and the liars who lie them.
Here is a blank SF 180 -- you can see that you can authorize release of only certain years, and release only to certain entities. (in.pdf)
You can even choose to have a "deleted" or "undeleted" version of the DD214. (see below)
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/standard_form_180.pdf
Kerry only released them to the Boston Globe and we have yet to see a copy of his signed 180, so we can see, which years did he allow to be released.
The DD214 is rather limited in what it would tell you. You can have your DD-214 modified after the fact by filing another SF-180 to have medals modified if they were issued after your initial seperation for example (IIRC).
You really need the whole record, including medical records to get the complete picture.
Bush signed the 180 way way back, which is how they got info to use against him in the campaign re: TANG, etc.
I don't know who it was he gave them to exactly tho.
He's Got A Plan
"I love O'Neill"
Ditto> What frosts me about all of this is where was the so-called MSM during Kerry's campaigning? They were so busy creating non-stories about Pres. Bush's National Guard service that they somehow didn't have time for "investigative journalism" about Kerry's service? Yeah, right. And we can't just let this go because the election is over. Almost half the country voted for this fraud, and they should know what they voted for.
"how the veterans in Massachusetts ever let this fraud stay in office all these years is mind boggling to me."
Hey Kelly, it's Mass. The same state that keeps on sending Teddy K back to Washington. Maybe not a majority of veterans as they tend to have a better B.S. meter than non-vets, but the voters in general.
Here is the original thread about the Boston Globe article with the big news of Kerry having released his records.
Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records (Navy provided them to Boston Globe)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1417940/posts
The more I think about it, the more I believe, that Kerry signed the 180 authorizing release of only certain years, and ONLY to the Boston Globe. I bet he and the BG had an agreement, that this will give cover to Kerry, so he can say he signed the 180, and the Boston Globe will NOT release an actual copy of his signed 180, so the rest of the world can see the limitations, nor will the BG publish anything, that wasn't already released by Kerry.
They must think we are all stupid.
Thank God for O'Neill for speaking up.
This isn't complicated. The Form 180 only has two options: request an undeleted or deleted version. It should be clear from the material received which version Kerry requested. This is from the form:
http://tinyurl.com/4rwky
SECTION II – INFORMATION AND/OR DOCUMENTS REQUESTED
1. REPORT OF SEPARATION(DD Form 214 or equivalent). This contains information normally needed to verify military service. A copy may be sent to the veteran, the deceased veteran's next of kin, or other persons or organizations if authorized in Section III, below. NOTE: If more than one period of service was performed, even in the same branch, there may be more than one Report of Separation. Be sure to show EACH year that a Report of Separation was issued, for which you need a copy.
An UNDELETED Report of Separation is requested for the year(s) This normally will be a copy of the full separation document including such sensitive items as the character of separation, authority for separation, reason for separation, reenlistment eligibility code, separation (SPD/SPN) code, and dates of time lost. An undeleted version is ordinarily required to determine eligibility for benefits.
A DELETED Report of Separation is requested for the year(s)
The following information will be deleted from the copy sent: authority for separation, reason for separation, reenlistment eligibility code, separation(SPD/SPN) code, and for separations after June 30, 1979, character of separation and dates of time lost.
Uh, it's lunch time here, thanks. Or it was, anyway.
Sheesh! Now I need an eye flush.
O'Neill is real-Kerry is as phony as a three dollar bill.
ewwwww -- sorry! Hadn't thought about it being lunch time
There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate
He is there illegally!
WAKEUP AMERICA!
For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.
Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen
Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html
And the FBI has proof of his treason.
Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files
May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.
(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)
http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html
a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS
Distribute these url's!
Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page
http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html
EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!
MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!
http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html
Full details on these url's!
http://stophanoikerry.150m.com
There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.
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Did you see this...?
(The 'Kerry's Promise Counter')
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=6628
Polipundit even tells you how to install it on your own page!
Swift Boat Veteran For Truth John O'Neill Comments on Kerry's 180 'Release'
6/7/05
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418592/posts
John Kerry was dishonorably dismissed from the Navy:
(statement from lawyers there at the time)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1406760/posts
bump!
Out frigging standing! Big momma there looks like she is going to stomp a mudhole in both their butts and then walk it dry. Thank you for giving me a good laugh today. NSNR
"O'Neill made Kerry an offer. "I'll be happy to bring one to Kerry's office and help him fill it out. And then we can take mine and his and deliver them to the right place together to make sure, as Kerry puts it, 'the truth in its entirety will come out.' "
OK, Mr. John F. Kerry -- so why don't you do it?
Gotta love O'Neill!
Thank God for his persistence and courage to continue speaking up.
(The preceding laugh was brought to you by www.strangepolitics.com)
""And the Globe story says Kerry sent it to the Navy Personnel Command, which is only a limited storage location. So it is not surprising that the Globe then notes that what they received was largely 'duplication' of records previously released. The Navy Personnel Command primarily stores a subset of service records rather than a person's full military records. There is no doubt there are a lot of after-action records missing from what Kerry has released," said Sullivan."
People should look at the damn Form 180. Sending the request to the Navy is not an option. For anyone from Kerry's years in the Navy the request has to go to code #14, which is the NPRC in St. Louis.
Also the Form 180 is really just a request for the "separation" details. There wouldn't be "after action reports" in it. For crying out loud.
This is typical of the sloppiness involved here.
Well, if you see a guy with a knife sticking out each eye, screaming in pain for help...
I'm the guy behind him rinsing his eyes out.
Rumors were floating around that Kerry had FBI problems due to his anti American Vietnam activity and that Carter helped wipe his slate clean. He used his 3 Purple Heart scratches to bolt from Vietnam and I am convinced it was planned. He had no intention of staying a full tour. I was amazed to see soldiers get one Purple Heart for numerous injuries that were serious. This joker Kerry manages to find 3 people that would award him medals? I would like to see the names of the 3 men signing off on the awards.
How can you be such a self-acknowledged Viet Nam War "hero", when you are such a sniveling coward when it comes to a little after action paper work?
Genuinely courageous people can look adversity squarely in the eye, and deal with the issues and consequences honestly, completely, and without flinching. (For an example of such a courageous person, you need look no farther than our President Dubya).
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