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CBS PETITIONED TO PROBE SHOWTIME
Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights ^ | 6-9-05 | Catholic League

Posted on 06/09/2005 11:50:50 AM PDT by Dancing Jane

CBS PETITIONED TO PROBE SHOWTIME

Catholic League president William Donohue explained today the league’s strategy for dealing with Showtime, the cable network that recently aired a hate-filled episode of “Penn and Teller”:

“On May 23, 24 and 27, Showtime’s ‘Penn and Teller’ aired the ‘Holier Than Thou’ episode that has so enraged Catholics, as well as people of all faiths (click here). The obscene assault on Mother Teresa, her Missionaries of Charity and the Catholic Church was arguably the most vicious anti-Catholic fare ever shown on television in the United States. An excerpt of this show was sent to 350 persons of influence, including every bishop who commands a diocese. Now we want results.

“Beginning today, we are launching a nation-wide campaign demanding that CBS initiate a probe into this matter. Why CBS? Showtime is owned by Viacom, and Viacom has many subsidiaries in the entertainment and communications industries, none of which is more prominent than CBS. Now it may be that those who work at CBS had nothing to do with the offending Showtime episode. Nonetheless, CBS bears corporate responsibility. Just as important, the famous CBS name has been sullied by what Showtime did.

“We are focusing our attention on two persons: Leslie Moonves, Chairman and CEO of CBS, and Nancy Tellem, President, CBS Paramount Network (Showtime is a Paramount TV studio that will remain with CBS even if Viacom splits into two entities this summer). The petition (click here) seeks justice: We want those responsible for this bigoted assault on Catholicism to be held accountable for the damage they have done.

“In addition to pushing this petition on our website, we will ask our members to get involved: the July-August edition of Catalyst, our monthly journal, will reprint the petition. We are most proud of the support that we have received from those outside the Catholic community. They know what’s at stake and they look to CBS to correct it.”


TOPICS: Announcements; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: anticatholicbigotry; catholicbashing; catholicleague; cbs; motherteresa; pennandteller; pennteller; showtime; trashtv; viacom; williamdonohue
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1 posted on 06/09/2005 11:50:50 AM PDT by Dancing Jane
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To: Dancing Jane

Sorry moderator, I meant to post to religion. Could you move it? Thanks.


2 posted on 06/09/2005 11:51:54 AM PDT by Dancing Jane
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To: Dancing Jane

Quit my subscription to Showtime over a year ago.


3 posted on 06/09/2005 11:52:50 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Dancing Jane
What all did Penn and Teller do exactly? I've never heard them do any religious material. Everything I've heard prior had been pretty non-confrontational and funny.

That being said, I don't get Showtime, so their new routine may be quite a bit different from what I've heard.

4 posted on 06/09/2005 11:53:52 AM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Salvation

Catholic ping.


5 posted on 06/09/2005 11:54:06 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: Dancing Jane

Isn't that petitioning "the pot" to probe "the kettle"?


6 posted on 06/09/2005 11:54:09 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Dancing Jane

Yeah, right, like CBS is a bastion of honesty & decency.


7 posted on 06/09/2005 11:54:41 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This is not your granddaddy's America...)
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To: Dancing Jane

Why isn't the Catholic League addressing the claims of Penn & Teller instead. Those being that her "hospices" provided no medical care, and that those dying at the hospices were not allowed to see their loved ones? That she thought it was important for those who were in the hospice to suffer?

No, let's just try to ban the show instead.


8 posted on 06/09/2005 11:55:15 AM PDT by Moral Hazard (Unfortunately the Golden Rule doesn't apply to sex.)
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To: Dancing Jane

This is extraordinary. How dreadful. Not insult is too low, apparently.

I did not see this "program" on Showtime. Anyone out there see it?


9 posted on 06/09/2005 11:55:45 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Anyone can see what's wrong, but can you see what's right?" -Winston Churchill)
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To: Moral Hazard

I thought the show was pretty good, myself.

Don't forget, they went after the Dali Lama and Ghandi as well.

Anyone see the show they did on PC in colleges?


10 posted on 06/09/2005 11:57:46 AM PDT by skip_intro
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To: Moral Hazard
Why isn't the Catholic League addressing the claims of Penn & Teller instead.

Um...because they're Penn & Teller.

11 posted on 06/09/2005 11:58:31 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: skip_intro
Don't forget, they went after the Dali Lama and Ghandi as well.

Penn is an atheist and derides anyone who follows any religion.

12 posted on 06/09/2005 11:59:41 AM PDT by retrokitten
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To: skip_intro
Anyone see the show they did on PC in colleges?

Yes, and I taped it. It was great and very true.

13 posted on 06/09/2005 12:01:06 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (In Mercuristan, such questions are not tolerated.)
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To: Moral Hazard
Why isn't the Catholic League addressing the claims of Penn & Teller instead.

Indeed. Donahue is just like some CAIR flack who sidesteps the issue of the dysfunctional terrorist-breeding Wahabi subculture and its state sponsors.

14 posted on 06/09/2005 12:02:52 PM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

I don't get Showtime, either, but I've really enjoyed Penn and Tellers 'myth bustin' series the couple of times I've seen it. I wonder if they did some Catholic myth bustin'. Bustin' myths would certainly harm Donahue's beliefs. That's enough reason for him to be afraid.


15 posted on 06/09/2005 12:03:03 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Moral Hazard
Why isn't the Catholic League addressing the claims of Penn & Teller instead. Those being that her "hospices" provided no medical care, and that those dying at the hospices were not allowed to see their loved ones? That she thought it was important for those who were in the hospice to suffer?

No, let's just try to ban the show instead.

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I didn't see anything in the article that stated that the Catholic League has called for the show to be banned.

Did I miss something?

16 posted on 06/09/2005 12:03:41 PM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: steve-b
... Donahue is just like some CAIR flack ...

Great analogy!

17 posted on 06/09/2005 12:03:57 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Dancing Jane

There is a web site that purports to debunk Mother Teresa and show that she was not as charitable as the media lets on.
I did not go into it so cannot give an opinion ( If I want your opinion I'll give it to you!).

If someone finds it it might shed some light on P&T's show.


18 posted on 06/09/2005 12:04:49 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Bella_Bru
The show is called Bullsh*t. If your ox isn't being gored it is pretty funny. It does have a liberal atheistic view point, but it hit whatever topic they are discussing pretty hard.
19 posted on 06/09/2005 12:05:13 PM PDT by glabbe
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To: Bella_Bru; Moral Hazard
It was great and very true.
It's true that Mother Teresa's "'hospices' provided no medical care, and that those dying at the hospices were not allowed to see their loved ones? That she thought it was important for those who were in the hospice to suffer"?
20 posted on 06/09/2005 12:09:23 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: steve-b
Donahue is just like some CAIR flack who sidesteps the issue of the dysfunctional terrorist-breeding Wahabi subculture and its state sponsors.

There are no such thing as Catholic terrorists. Actually, the Catholic League is more like the ADL than CAIR. Do you have a problem with the ADL?
21 posted on 06/09/2005 12:09:31 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: steve-b

"...dysfunctional terrorist-breeding Wahabi subculture and its state sponsors."

Interesting analogy between Islamic terrorists and Catholics. Thanks for the insight...into your mindset.


22 posted on 06/09/2005 12:12:06 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: glabbe

Penn is a libertarian...and like South Park, no cow is sacred to these guys and I don't mind...if they use equal jabbing...


23 posted on 06/09/2005 12:13:18 PM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich (It's all about the swagger......)
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To: eastsider
It's true that Mother Teresa's "'hospices' provided no medical care, and that those dying at the hospices were not allowed to see their loved ones? That she thought it was important for those who were in the hospice to suffer"?

Please. It would have been much better for those poor, diseased souls to die on the street being eaten by dogs than to have Mother Teresa's evil nuns taking care of them in their final hours. /sarcasm

For a fat, bloated lard like Mr. Penn to deride a woman who devoted her entire life to the poor in some of the most hideous conditions known to man--well, it's a joke, but it's not funny.
24 posted on 06/09/2005 12:13:18 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: Dancing Jane

To be fair, Penn and Teller did lampoon PETA earlier on Showtime.


25 posted on 06/09/2005 12:14:55 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: St. Johann Tetzel; Salvation; NYer; Claud; american colleen; Romulus; patent

Ping. Any of you see this?


26 posted on 06/09/2005 12:15:13 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: eastsider; skip_intro

I was referring to skip-intro's talking about the episode about PC on college campuses.


27 posted on 06/09/2005 12:17:56 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (In Mercuristan, such questions are not tolerated.)
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To: Antoninus

I don't know Penn's background, but those "claims" are straight out of ACT UP's handbook. Vile, disgusting lies.


28 posted on 06/09/2005 12:20:10 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: Antoninus

> a woman who devoted her entire life to...


Jet-setting around the world and collecting fat checks from thieves that didn't go for food and medicine for the poor.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12495017&method=full&siteid=50143

http://slate.msn.com/id/2090083/


> a fat, bloated lard like Mr. Penn ...

... a man who has done FAR more to advance the human condition than Mother Theresa. Penn (and Teller, and Randi, and Carson, and Houdini before them) has spent years exposing frauds and saving lives.


29 posted on 06/09/2005 12:23:05 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Dancing Jane; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


30 posted on 06/09/2005 12:23:40 PM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Antoninus

> There are no such thing as Catholic terrorists.

I'm sure there are some in Ireland who might argue with you.


31 posted on 06/09/2005 12:24:21 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Moral Hazard

> Why isn't the Catholic League addressing the claims of Penn & Teller instead.

Because they can't.


32 posted on 06/09/2005 12:25:04 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: orionblamblam
Mr. Penn ...

... a man who has done FAR more to advance the human condition than Mother Theresa.

That may be the most unintentionally funny thing I have ever read.

33 posted on 06/09/2005 12:25:06 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Dancing Jane

SHOWTIME? You can't mean that paragon of reason that cancelled the excellent "Odyssey 5" to be replaced with the execrable, gay-recruiting series "Queer as Folk"?


34 posted on 06/09/2005 12:26:00 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: orionblamblam
a man who has done FAR more to advance the human condition than Mother Theresa.

You'll have to forgive me. I can't respond right now because I'm laughing too hard...
35 posted on 06/09/2005 12:26:54 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: orionblamblam
I'm sure there are some in Ireland who might argue with you.

Really? So the IRA is encouraged by their religious leaders to kill the Northern Irish? Silly me, here I thought it was a political fight.
36 posted on 06/09/2005 12:28:16 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: Moral Hazard

All these things are apparantly true. There have been several from her organization that have spoken out about things like this but it has never received any press coverage.

Besides, Penn and Teller had a show a season or two ago where they bashed religion in general. No one was up in arms then. People only freak out when somone sneezes on a Qu'ran.


37 posted on 06/09/2005 12:28:41 PM PDT by auntyfemenist (Show me your papers...)
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To: Bella_Bru

Thanks for clearing that up, and my apologies for the misunderstanding. Having worked as a volunteer in Mother Teresa's AIDS hospice downtown, I see red when I hear her hospices being ridiculed rather than ACTUP's damnable lies.


38 posted on 06/09/2005 12:28:43 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: Dancing Jane

In spite of my enjoyment of Stargate SG-1, I abandoned Showtime after their first couple of left-wing political tirades posing as informative docudramas. One was the Clarence Thomas thing. I forget what the other one was.


39 posted on 06/09/2005 12:29:10 PM PDT by william clark
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To: auntyfemenist

They are lies.


40 posted on 06/09/2005 12:30:56 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: Moral Hazard
All P&T's Mother Teresa bashing followed a book written by Christopher Hitchens, conveniently published after her death.

Hitchens is a vehement atheist of the kind that is always offended by anyone's faith. His book has been charitably reviewed as being short on facts and largely consisting of his own opinions. He's an essayist with no pretense to being unbiased, and one thing that really made him mad was the 'rush' to beatify Mother Teresa. Although why a self-proclaimed socialist aethist would care is beyond me.:)

41 posted on 06/09/2005 12:30:59 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
What all did Penn and Teller do exactly? I've never heard them do any religious material. Everything I've heard prior had been pretty non-confrontational and funny.

Their "Bulls**t" shows on showtime take on certain topics, and then go about ripping them to shreds. Sometimes conservatives look upon these episodes favorably, and other times, well, you get the idea. It all depends on whos ox gets gored.

But these guys can get really extreme and offensive, which is something that they've always enjoyed in their act.

They had an episode on PETA, where they just tore PETA to shreds, which was pretty much univerally praised here.

Mark

42 posted on 06/09/2005 12:31:09 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: eastsider
They are lies.

What specifically are lies?

43 posted on 06/09/2005 12:32:03 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: MarkL
They had an episode on PETA, where they just tore PETA to shreds, which was pretty much univerally praised here.

Did you see the episode on recycling?

That must have really PO'd the greens!

44 posted on 06/09/2005 12:33:40 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: Antoninus

Her hospices weren't sporting any hospital beds, ice chips, pain relievers or other medication. These people died on mats on the floor in agony. The only thing different was there were no dogs.


45 posted on 06/09/2005 12:35:39 PM PDT by auntyfemenist (Show me your papers...)
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To: Antoninus

No, but they do kill people because of the victims religion. And a Catholic priest was in charge of an IRA squad that bombed Claudy.

The political fight is based on nationalism. People are targeted because of their religion.


46 posted on 06/09/2005 12:35:43 PM PDT by elc
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To: MarkL

Similar to Dennis Miller back when he was on HBO?


47 posted on 06/09/2005 12:35:51 PM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Antoninus

Yes, religion is a part of the problem in Ireland. Marching season is when most of the trouble occurs.


48 posted on 06/09/2005 12:37:42 PM PDT by auntyfemenist (Show me your papers...)
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To: auntyfemenist
Besides, Penn and Teller had a show a season or two ago where they bashed religion in general. No one was up in arms then. People only freak out when somone sneezes on a Qu'ran.

Really? Have Penn & Teller done a show on Islam yet? If not, one wonders when they will?
49 posted on 06/09/2005 12:38:20 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: Dancing Jane

Will Penn and Teller be doing a sequel on Islam anything soon. Scared to try that one I'll bet. What low lifes.


50 posted on 06/09/2005 12:38:43 PM PDT by marty60
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