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Kerry's Slow 180 Turn; He raises as many questions as he answers!
Slate ^ | 6/9/05 | Mickey Kaus

Posted on 06/09/2005 11:21:42 PM PDT by ambrose

Wade's Wish: Boston Globe Managing Editor Mary Jane Wilkinson, explaining why her paper is not going to make public the Kerry military records it has received:

It is my understanding that Kerry will release these papers to anyone else now that he has signed the Form 180.

Wilkinson's understanding would be wrong, according to the New York Sun's Josh Gerstein, to whom Kerry denied the records.

A Navy spokesman, Lieutenant Commander Daniel Hernandez, said the waiver applied only to the Boston Globe and did not authorize release of Mr. Kerry's records to the public.

"Kerry controls the release of his records," Commander Hernandez said yesterday. "You have to talk to his office."

The senator also agreed to allow the Los Angeles Times to see his full record, Mr. Wade said yesterday. The spokesman did not respond to a question about why Mr. Kerry did not execute a broader release to all press organizations and the public. Asked whether the senator would permit release of the records to The New York Sun, Mr. Wade said, "The issue is over."

Not while Gerstein and Lipscomb are alive! ... Why would Kerry not just make a clean release to everyone? I suppose he might not want his enemies poring over the documents for discrepancies they can use to keep the story alive. But that consideration would seem to be outweighed by the suspicions the limited release creates. ... At the very least, as Lipscomb notes, Kerry should make public the Form 180 that fails to make public his records.  ... P.S.: Like Wade, I would like this to be over! (I would like Kerry to be over.) But it still smells a bit funny. A lot of clever thinking seems to have gone into that Form 180 signing.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: form180; kaus; kerry; militaryrecord

1 posted on 06/09/2005 11:21:42 PM PDT by ambrose
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P.P.S.: I emailed Michael Kranish of the Globe on Tuesday--

Polipundit speculates there were a hundred pages in the file but that you didn't get them all. ... [link omitted] I assume you did, but wanted to check--the article I saw wasn't clear. Did you get 100 pages?

I got back the following email:

this was in our story:

On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe.

Which doesn't exactly answer the 100 pages question, does it? Let's assume Kranish is jammed with work and not paying close attention. I've emailed him again. ... 1:32 P.M.

2 posted on 06/09/2005 11:21:53 PM PDT by ambrose (...)
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To: ambrose

Boston Globe is owned by New York Times.

One writer at the Globe did Kerry's autobiography.

NO WAY should they be considered an impartial source.

They are covering for him.


3 posted on 06/09/2005 11:29:26 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: ambrose

Man!

Kerry's "releasing" his 180 is so nuanced it's Clintonesque!


4 posted on 06/09/2005 11:32:26 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Fingers of Fury™)
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To: ambrose

This seems pretty clear. The Globe is a press organization. They should just print a supplement with everthing they received based on the form 180. I bet they did that with the Pentagon Papers?


5 posted on 06/09/2005 11:33:15 PM PDT by JLS
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To: ambrose
Boston Globe Managing Editor Mary Jane Wilkinson, explaining why her paper is not going to make public the Kerry military records it has received:

If ever there was a good example of liberal media bias the Globe is it.

If the 180 form were for a conservative politician how long would it take to get it into the paper?

6 posted on 06/09/2005 11:33:48 PM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Senate)
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To: Fenris6
This is getting old already. Who cares? Kerry is gone, never to return. He made such an ass of himself in the last election the Dems would never put him up again. Just like Gore, he is done.

Yup, next batter up is Hillary. No predictions here. Too early. But she scares the snots out of me.

7 posted on 06/09/2005 11:34:28 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: ambrose

The news of Kerry's bad grades at Yale and now this news about his (Partial) military file. All of this was released, basically, in the same time period.

This is Clinton all over again. Billy Jeff has to be proud.


8 posted on 06/09/2005 11:40:32 PM PDT by slowpipe (" I'll go to school if you want me to, Pa. But I won't take Symbolic Logic.")
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I'm bettin Kerry released a portion (from the Navy not the real deal from the Personel office) to the Globe only on the agreement they WOULDN'T release them.

Someone should ask the Globe if there was deal with Kerry on this.

Lurch would have been better off not doing anything than trying this transparent semi sorta limited hangout.

The dummy thought this would help?

No wonder he damn near failed poli sci.


9 posted on 06/09/2005 11:44:47 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr

I E-Mailed the Globe and asked the editors about the holes
in Kerry's File, after reading their on-line column about the release and they E-mailed me the dang column I was
referencing! That was their so-called answer.


10 posted on 06/09/2005 11:57:29 PM PDT by slowpipe (" I'll go to school if you want me to, Pa. But I won't take Symbolic Logic.")
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To: ambrose

The libs have fallen asleep on the snooze button of reality and common sense. To have a idiot such as Kerry for a hero is so ridiculous! Kerry still makes my blood boil, even more because he just won't go crawl away like a good little looser.


11 posted on 06/09/2005 11:59:17 PM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: ambrose

As Kerry says, "Ha Ha, I signed my Form 180 but I had my fingers crossed"


12 posted on 06/10/2005 12:14:20 AM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: slowpipe

Nice try anyway. I bet you would get the same treatment if you asked "is there any agreement you have with Kerry NOT to release or publish the records you did receive?"


13 posted on 06/10/2005 12:17:16 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: slowpipe

It's a coverup!


14 posted on 06/10/2005 12:22:35 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Washington State--Land of Court-approved Voting Fraud.)
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To: ambrose
"..A Navy spokesman, Lieutenant Commander Daniel Hernandez, said the waiver applied only to the Boston Globe and did not authorize release of Mr. Kerry's records to the public.

"Kerry controls the release of his records," Commander Hernandez said yesterday. "You have to talk to his office.".."

This is no waiver at all. The Boston Globe was the Kerry campaign secretarial service for all practical purposes. Their coverage was so pro Kerry they have no claim to objectivity, not that that is a problem for them.

15 posted on 06/10/2005 12:28:09 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: D-fendr
[Lurch would have been better off not doing anything than trying this transparent semi sorta limited hangout. The dummy thought this would help? No wonder he damn near failed poli sci.]



His serial displays of incompetence make me SOOOOOOOOOO glad he was not elected president. All our major cities would have burned down by now, and we'd all be practicing cannibalism by July 1st.
16 posted on 06/10/2005 12:28:57 AM PDT by spinestein ("I'm not a wise person but I play one on TV." --Any Hollywood actor who told us to vote for Kerry)
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To: ambrose

Sounds familiar:Kerry signed the release for the 180 before he told the Boston Globe not to use all of it.

This doofus is hiding more than a shameful 77 in French.


17 posted on 06/10/2005 12:30:31 AM PDT by Cincinna (BEWARE HILLARY and her HINO)
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To: ambrose

More proof that Kerry be a verifiable dummy. He should forget about moving up and start spending the loot-- before Madam Heinz give him the boot.


18 posted on 06/10/2005 12:55:55 AM PDT by CharlieChan
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To: ambrose

Also ask why the navy is filtering the release, instead of them coming through from the Personal office, where the complete, unedited records are.

What a con job Kerry pulled, again. The man is desperate to hide his life of lies.


19 posted on 06/10/2005 1:32:50 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: CharlieChan

Yeah, I'm surprised she still even let's him within whining distance of her.


20 posted on 06/10/2005 3:08:41 AM PDT by BillyCrockett
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To: ambrose
This "release" of Traitor John's "records" is a fairly lame attempt to dispel the questions regarding his self-proclaimed "War Hero" status. He released nothing that puts the questions about his alleged heroism and the nature of his discharge to rest.

All he did was to raise more questions. Come on, Hanoi John Kerry, what are you hiding? I think we all know anyway so why not get it all out in the open?

Oops I almost forgot, you're a dedicated leftist, so full disclosure is not in your vocabulary.
21 posted on 06/10/2005 3:24:19 AM PDT by MisterRepublican ("I am not at all comfortable going to Andy for confirmation of anything."-William Rivers Pitt)
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To: ambrose

ker-ry (ker' i) vi. kerried, kerrying 1 to change one's position for political advantage 2 to pander to special interest groups 3 to slander one's opponents 4 to boast of fraudulent heroism in combat 5 to bear false witness against one's comrades 6 to give aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war n. kerry 1 indecisiveness 2 demagoguery 3 treason


22 posted on 06/10/2005 3:42:07 AM PDT by MikeNJ (Lest we forget...)
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To: AGreatPer
This is getting old already

Ah, but now there's the angle about the papers. What did these journos know and when did they know it?

And why did they spike it?

This could make what Newsweek did look like a tempest in a teacup...

23 posted on 06/10/2005 3:46:50 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla

Paging their parent company's shareholders....


24 posted on 06/10/2005 3:47:40 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla

What's truly amazing is that Kerry and the MSM actually think they can get away with this. Shows you they learned nothing from Rathergate..They don't understand how their world has changed..


25 posted on 06/10/2005 4:08:54 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050
The MSM's shareholders better figure that out as well. Boy, if people ever find out just what the Globe, among others, have been sitting on....Their parent companys' stocks won't be worth a plugged nickel.
26 posted on 06/10/2005 4:13:43 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: All

i am sure if we were to look at his records we would find out he was dishonorably discharged.


27 posted on 06/10/2005 4:21:40 AM PDT by Kewlhand`tek (What the hell was that? I hope it was outgoing!)
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To: martin_fierro

Kerry does a 180 on his 180.


28 posted on 06/10/2005 4:54:35 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Sounds of laughter, shades of life are ringing through my open ears exciting and inviting me)
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To: ambrose

frenchie, living in the past, still thinks the ratmedia runs the new cycle in this country. He still believes he can open his mouth, have essentially nothing come out, and have the ratmedia clean it up. Remember when clinocchio used to claim he got "news" about him in the newspapers? He wasn't lying for a change. What he was really saying was "I don't know what lies they cooked up FOR me, I'll have to check." Foolish frenchie!:it's over and you and the ratmedia lost.


29 posted on 06/10/2005 5:06:02 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Dealing with liberals? Remember: when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and he loves it.)
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To: AGreatPer

"This is getting old already. Who cares? Kerry is gone, never to return. He made such an ass of himself in the last election the Dems would never put him up again. Just like Gore, he is done.

People care. I care. We almost had a President who could very well have been a Manchurian candidate. If you want to be a public figure you have to give everything asked of you.

Hiding his 180, Terayzahhs financials and who knows what else is a direct affront to the American people. Especially since it was these people that tried to bury a sitting President based on false documents and a missed dental appointment 29 years ago.


30 posted on 06/10/2005 5:26:32 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: AGreatPer

Fenris6

I agree with you. Many say Hillary is too left or too polarizing to go anywhere in 08. But unlike the vast majority of the visible Dems (Dean, Moore, Striesand, Boxer...) who are just raving lunatics, you have to give Hillary credit for being smart. She gets the picture and is already shifting to the right. Us hard rights recognize her for the huge phoney she is, but there are a zillion independants and moderates out there, who aren't paying quite as close attention, that are going to be fooled by it.
She is definately going to be a factor in 08, I fear.


31 posted on 06/10/2005 5:32:46 AM PDT by observer821
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To: ambrose

I signed the Form 180 before I didn't sign it.....

GROAN

I released my Navy documents before I didn't release my Navy documents.....

GROAN


32 posted on 06/10/2005 5:35:46 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (Ethiopia: The New Happiest Place on Earth.)
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To: mewzilla

"This is getting old already"

Actually, it is important to demonstrate to the Dems who voted for Kerry just how far they were willing to go to destroy the nation with this boob.


33 posted on 06/10/2005 5:39:07 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote

I agree. And the media angle, all the news that's fit to spike, is equally important.


34 posted on 06/10/2005 6:14:23 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: ambrose

This is the equivalent of GWB releasing his Air National Guard records to "The National Review." The rest of the Media wouldn't stand for this, and neither should we.

As others have observed, the Boston Globe is 'invested' in John Kerry. Kerry is hoping this cute little maneuver will bury the story so that he can shuck & jive through another election cycle. I don't think that it will work...even if he weren't competing with Queen Hillary.


35 posted on 06/10/2005 6:26:37 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Noachian

" I signed the Form 180 before I didn't sign it."


36 posted on 06/10/2005 7:59:19 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Kewlhand`tek

Just imagine if the story gets out on how the DNC/MSM almost propped a dishonorably discharged individual into the Presidency. It will be the end for them.


37 posted on 06/10/2005 8:59:53 AM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: FastCoyote

"This is getting old already"

Actually, it is important to demonstrate to the Dems who voted for Kerry just how far they were willing to go to destroy the nation with this boob."

True. It was the Bush TANG story that was getting old, at least until CBS started fabricating "fake but accurate" documents!

An honest comparison of the zeal with which the MSM went after Bush for this TANG service, and the comparative spiking of the Kerry/Swiftboat story is the most perfectly illustrative example of the liberal bias of MSM.

Bernie Goldberg should be all over this! It writes itself! He predicted it!


38 posted on 06/10/2005 9:10:35 AM PDT by SpinyNorman (Liberals are emablers for terrorists and other anti American groups.)
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To: observer821
I remember Clintons comments from his first run for the presidency. His comment was, "And just think of it, you get me and Hillary, a two for one deal". Sadly, me and many others bought into it. Now that statement is coming back to haunt us.

Your correct, fence leaners and those millions that just don't care, will not make up their minds until 1-2 weeks before the election.

Hillary is a very dangerous woman.

Shhhhhhh. If she wins, China almost immediately goes after Taiwan.

39 posted on 06/10/2005 6:54:56 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: Temple Owl

ping


40 posted on 06/10/2005 6:56:16 PM PDT by Tribune7
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