Posted on 06/10/2005 3:35:49 PM PDT by phoenix_004
That's ridiculous! You can't claim you're somehow opposed to the chicoms using US technology however they want, then in the same breath say you quote "support the GPL" which gives them software for free. Completely contradictory, and hypocritical.
I'm not in favor of trade with dictatorships of any kind. For some reason, the Linux zealots can't seem to get this through their skulls. Meanwhile, they continue to bash MS on one hand -- and parrot Stallman's party line about promoting "freedom" by giving software for free to China's military-industrial complex so that it can be used to oppress their own citizens. Talk about hypocrisy.
If it's your property, you can do what you want with it within the law.
If you don't like the technology transfer, get the law changed. Of course, you'd be up against Microsoft, Sun, IBM, Cisco, Intel and others. Until the law is changed, what they are doing is ok - legally. I guess you can protest by not buying any of their products: let me know when you begin to boycott all of these companies.
No one has said what any of these companies are doing is illegal: their crimes are moral crimes.
Say it with me, Iggle: "Microsoft (among others) is wrong to assist China in suppressing free speech."
How craven...
I comprehend just fine. You're the one twisted into a knot.
US technology shouldn't be going to totalitarian regimes, period, as far as I'm concerned. Giving it to them for free, as you endorse, is the highest possible infraction.
No snow in the weather forecast for hell.. Its just so dang easy to attack GPL w/out realizing with or without it MS would be giving (according to some) superior windows technology to China.. I would not expect the trolls to change their message in the face of their own obvious hypocrisy..
But MS selling it to them is ok?
Giving it to them for free, as you endorse, is the highest possible infraction. +++++++++++
Say it Iggle: "MS (among others)is wrong to participate in helping China to suppress the free speech of their citizens, which is a God-given right." It puts them on the same moral plateau as linux - if you think John Walker was more moral than Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.
Not if I had my way. Do you have ears, or not? Conversely, your admitted position is, Microsoft or anyone can do anything with their property they want, including give it away to the chicoms for free, so the chicoms can then do anything they want with it. All they have to do is license it under the GPL license, and you're pleased as punch. Don't try to deny it now, either, we already knew and you once again admitted it on here, you fully support the GPL and these free and legal technology transfers. Not just to China, either, but to ANY totalitarian regime there is, without restriction, or concern of what they use it for. That's what the GPL is all about, as you are fully aware.
I support the GPL...If it's your property, you can do what you want with it...If Red Hat is ok with China using their stuff and calling it Red Flag, I won't argue with them...If it's your property, you can do what you want with it...what they are doing is ok...
Just want any lurkers to see your real position on things, your attempts at blaming Microsoft being obviously nothing more than a failed attempt at distracting from your acutal position on technology transfers to communists and dictators.
The great firewall of China
You left out "within the law."
All of this is "within the law". The question is whether you support it or not. In your case, you already admitted you do, when the software is released via the GPL, which just so happens to give them complete and full access, not only to the source code, but the right to rename it, resell it, whatever they want to do with it. It's the ultimate giveaway, nothing else comes close.
Nailed him.
Yep, once again. It's obvious he's so consumed with hate for Microsoft he'll repeatedly endorse things that are ten times as worse, and doesn't even realize the fallacy of his argument. Oh well, those of us with a brain see right through it, every time.
Your Wookie is showing. The GPL is not an issue: non-GPL'ed software is being used here - remember, MS does not use the GPL.
Say it Iggle: "MS (among others)is wrong to participate in helping China to suppress the free speech of their citizens, which is a God-given right."
LOL, whatever.
lol...
Please see post 28 - it's a broad condemnation of the whole situation. As bad as it is for China to be getting free software - even if it only worth what you pay for it - an American company selling software and configuring filtering to surpress free speech is worse, IMO. That goes for MS, Google ("Don't be evil?"), yahoo, cisco, sun, ibm, red hat, novell, ect.
I would like to point out, again, linux/gpl'ed software is on, at the worst, the same moral plane as MS (among others) on this issue. I just want you to admit the same thing.
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