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Root Causes, Homosexual Consequences
People Can Change ^ | 2004

Posted on 06/10/2005 4:10:52 PM PDT by scripter

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1 posted on 06/10/2005 4:10:54 PM PDT by scripter
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To: little jeremiah
Ping.

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2 posted on 06/10/2005 4:11:29 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Ping - Very interesting reading


3 posted on 06/10/2005 4:23:42 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

As a Dad who would die if one of his boys were gay, I've read this closely, and I'm in the process of following the advice therein.

I just kicked my wife out of the house, and I'm about to go hug both of them.


4 posted on 06/10/2005 4:24:00 PM PDT by jra
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To: scripter

What a great article. I haven't even finished reading it yet but what I've read so far is what I've believed all along. Fathers are so very, very important to boys. Good, strong, loving, stable fathers. All you dads with sons - please be good to your sons. One good friend of mine who I grew up with is homosexual and has been since like 14 years old. Classic family patterns and he left home and went to live with a middle-aged homosexual. He took care of him and showed him love. That's what he needed. It is so sad really. I believe homosexuality could be reduced if we really work on building strong families.


5 posted on 06/10/2005 4:26:02 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: jra
Excellent.

Can I recommend a book? This book is excellent and what I'd call a must read for parents, especially fathers. Checkout: A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality. You'll be glad you did. There are other places that sell the book if you don't like buying from Amazon, and I can recommend those as well.

6 posted on 06/10/2005 4:30:27 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: mlc9852

Exactly. Strong families are what we need. Less divorce - a lot less. There's a new study out - families are far more important than we realize. Of course I'm being facetious, but sometimes I have to wonder...


7 posted on 06/10/2005 4:33:01 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: EdReform

Perhaps the most important article I've ever posted.


8 posted on 06/10/2005 4:38:50 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

Interesting reading.

Hmmm, I seem to have arrived before the pro-homo cheerleaders.

I'll try again later.


9 posted on 06/10/2005 4:40:44 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib
I seem to have arrived before the pro-homo cheerleaders.

I actually hope they stay off the thread. What can they say? Men who weren't happy as homosexuals have left the lifestyle and given their reasons.

10 posted on 06/10/2005 4:47:15 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
I encourage folks to follow the link at the end of the main article: False Starts: What Didn't Work

And from there, following the links at the end of that article.

Also, there's a number of excellent links I inserted as comments.

11 posted on 06/10/2005 4:50:45 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

bookmark


12 posted on 06/10/2005 4:56:57 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: scripter
Excellent article.
My former occupational partner interviewed one of Southern California's most prolific child predators. The Prep stated " when I hug a boy, I know instantly if he's mine". The boys he abused leaned into the hug, the one he gave a pass to, all leaned away.
The Prep stated this was due to the Father In The Home giving appropriate hugs to a young man.
13 posted on 06/10/2005 4:57:13 PM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: scripter
Here's a very good video on the subject: I Do Exist.

From the back cover:

This fascinating look into the lives of five former homosexuals answers many questions surrounding the possibility of change. Inspirational from start to finish, this documentary describes the process of how some people identified themselves as gay and then how they transitioned to a new heterosexual life. "I Do Exist" demonstrates that change involves more than self-definition. Those who tell their experiences on this film describe profound reorientation of sexual and personal feelings leading to a greater sense of self-awareness and satisfaction.

Supplementing the personal stories of change are the observations of psychiatrist Dr. Robert Spitzer, psychology professors Dr. Mark Yarhouse and Dr. Warren Throckmorton and ex-gay advocate Arthur Goldberg. These noted experts give the viewer thought provoking perspectives on the controversial issues surrounding transition of personal sexuality. "I Do Exist" inspires and educates concerning one of the most talked about issues of our time.


14 posted on 06/10/2005 5:04:49 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

Thanks for posting this. It was interesting. As a mom an only son that is sensitive, caring, loving and sweet, that just lost his dad to cancer six months ago it is also scary! Positive male role models I guess is the answer now.


15 posted on 06/10/2005 5:14:37 PM PDT by knak (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing)
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To: knak
I'm sorry for your loss 6 months ago and will be praying for you.

From your profile I see you're a homeschooler and like us, imagine you're part of a homeschool organization. If you are part of an organization, I hope somebody from the group steps forward as a positive role model for your kids...I certainly would if you were in my homeschool group.

Please let me know if I can help in any way.

16 posted on 06/10/2005 5:21:23 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Somehow, even as boys or young teenagers, we felt like we were never "man enough." We felt like we didn't live up to the masculine ideal. We saw ourselves as too fat or too skinny, too short or too awkward, not athletic enough or tough or strong or good-looking enough -- or whatever other qualities we admired in other males but judged to be lacking in ourselves. It was more than low self-esteem, it was low gender esteem -- a deficiency in our core sense of gender upon which our whole self image is built. Other males just seemed naturally masculine, but masculinity never came naturally to us. We aspired to it but were mystified by how to achieve it. Among other males, we felt different and lonely.

THIS is a very moving paragraph for me. This is a real concern, for both boys AND girls. It may seem like psychobabble at first, "low gender esteem", but what we popularly define as masculinity and femininity do NOT come "naturally" to all people.

There are many girls who are called "tomboys" growing up. I was one of them. I can definitely attest to feeling mystified by what made other girls "tick". I just wasn't interested in ANY of the things that interested them. I wasn't comfortable around them, wasn't accepted by them, and my mother was pretty distant. I always loved "guy" things like sports, and found that I had a really good rapport with boys, especially my older brother. But boys didn't really want me around either so in effect I was something of a loner. Even now, all of my best and closest friends have been men, and I still feel quite different from most women. But I'm more content with my femininity, even if it isn't what most think it should be.

I think women are beautiful yet in many ways mysterious and sometimes offputting to me. Whereas men make a lot of sense to me and when I was a child I wished I'd been born a boy. Now I'm glad to be what I am.

But what if I'd ever been victimized by one of the boys I hung out with? What if I'd met another girl or a woman who understood me, reached out to me, and perhaps introduced sex into the relationship? What if I'd attended college and tried to fit in by trying lesbian sex (which is really a form of mutual masturbation that is probably quite pleasurable and not painful like sex with men can be). What if I'd joined a sports team and emphasized the "masculine" parts of myself, and taken on more of the characteristics of men? Who knows?!

I had a strong, scriptural upbringing and was active in Christian pursuits from a very young age. I had two parents who stayed together, even though there were a lot of problems. I had a loving, Christian community that accepted me. I had goals that were more important to me (because they were important to God) than just playing sports or being accepted by the world. I've had good role models, male and female. I was taught boundaries and to seek kingdom interests first. I have a relationship with God.

It is also imperative that parents understand the distinction between character differences and personality differences. If you son is sensitive, tasteful, gentle, emotionally expressive and affectionate, these are part of his personality. They are not character defects to be beaten or worked out of him. If your daughter is strong, athletic, logical, autonomous, and doesn't care about shopping or shoes or clothes or makeup, she's not deficient in any way. These are NOT signs of homosexuality! I think treating these kids as if they're different and "gay" makes them more likely to act on those desires if they ever arise.

17 posted on 06/10/2005 5:46:18 PM PDT by DameAutour
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To: scripter

It seems with a little more progress, prevention will be a subject that can be discussed openly by more public media outlets.


18 posted on 06/10/2005 5:52:26 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: scripter; ArGee; lentulusgracchus; Lindykim; SweetCaroline; DBeers; ItsOurTimeNow; Coleus; ...
Sure is! Excellent!
19 posted on 06/10/2005 7:17:09 PM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: DameAutour
These are NOT signs of homosexuality!

Indeed! If same-sex attraction really is a result of environment and confusion as we think it is, there really is no such thing as signs of homosexuality.

I think treating these kids as if they're different and "gay" makes them more likely to act on those desires if they ever arise.

Exactly. They are only signs that people attribute to something we call homosexuality, when in reality, it has absolutely nothing to do with what we identify as same-sex attraction.

20 posted on 06/10/2005 8:28:51 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: longtermmemmory
It seems with a little more progress, prevention will be a subject that can be discussed openly by more public media outlets.

I think you're right. Of course there are die-hards that will deny deny deny. Even here on FR, but the subject will be openly discussed by the open minded.

21 posted on 06/10/2005 8:29:58 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
5. Other sexual experiences: 93% said they had had other sexual experiences -- including pornography, sexual fantasy and sex play with other boys -- as children or youth, and of those who did, 93% said they believed these experiences contributed to their SSA feelings

I believe there are lots of homosexual play that does not lead one to a homosexual lifestyle. However if one of the "players" is out and out homosexual, the play becomes more of a homsexual act and more likely to contribute. Expecially if opposite sex attraction is not a strong factor.

22 posted on 06/10/2005 8:40:03 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: latina4dubya

Excellent article, ping. Read the links to the study for even more information.


23 posted on 06/10/2005 8:40:30 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
I'm not sure what you mean by:

However if one of the "players" is out and out homosexual

Are you saying if one of the "boys -- as children or youth" is an out and out homosexual? If so, I guess I'm not sure how old an out and out homosexual child or youth would be and how they knew at such an early age that they were homosexual.

24 posted on 06/10/2005 9:06:16 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

EXCELLENT ARTICLE SCRIPTER!!


25 posted on 06/10/2005 9:30:09 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (Don't let aging get you down. It's too hard to get back up.....MAXINE)
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To: SweetCaroline

Why thank you. The article further demonstrates that sexuality is fluid - it can go from heterosexual to homosexual, and from homosexual to heterosexual, which is key in this cultural issue.


26 posted on 06/10/2005 10:05:48 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
We are born heterosexual. The sexual abuse of a child, especially between the ages of 3 1/2 and 8, distorts the persons boundaries and sexual identity. Homosexuality, later in life is the result of trauma in childhood.
27 posted on 06/10/2005 10:08:26 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: scripter
Rubbish. Sexuality is not fluid. Consciousness determines behaviour. A distorted, fragmented, unhealthy consciousness creates distorted, fragmented, unhealthy behaviour.
28 posted on 06/10/2005 10:10:08 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: scripter
Are you saying if one of the "boys -- as children or youth" is an out and out homosexual? If so, I guess I'm not sure how old an out and out homosexual child or youth would be and how they knew at such an early age that they were homosexual.

In my kids group, adolescents all, (8th-9th grade) there was one boy who sought out other boys for simulated homosexual sex. He would tug and pull at our jeans trying to do more than simulate. And later, as an adult he frequented the homosexual bars in SF. So I would say Yes, at adolescence he "knew" what he wanted to do and to whom.

In other situations we were playing "spin the botle" in the heterosexual sense. We were learning sex the tried and true way, in the dark while our parents thought us playing hide and seek.

29 posted on 06/10/2005 10:16:01 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
You probably don't understand the term as used. Saying sexuality is fluid merely means people can engage in both heterosexual and homosexual behavior. I often post that homosexual behavior and/or same-sex attraction is the result of confusion, but that doesn't mean sexuality isn't fluid.

To put it another way, some folks will state sexuality is fluid, but they are inconsistent and believe it only flows from heterosexual to homosexual. To them, stating sexuality can also flow from homosexual to heterosexual is to an impossibility, when we see a growing number of former homosexuals every day.

30 posted on 06/10/2005 10:23:39 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: KC_for_Freedom; John O

Thanks for the clarification. I'm sorry to hear that. It sounds like a kid who was sexually molested.


31 posted on 06/10/2005 10:26:41 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
Whoops - got a couple of typos there.

That last sentence should be:

To them, stating sexuality can also flow from homosexual to heterosexual is an impossibility, when in reality we see a growing number of former homosexuals every day.

32 posted on 06/10/2005 10:28:41 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Yes. Many homosexuals can be redeemed. The process is accelerating now.
33 posted on 06/10/2005 10:28:50 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: scripter

We never had that discussion, he moved to SF as soon as he could to get out of the home scene where his peers were decidedly not with him on this. It was my mom who caught him in the SF bar. She said Hi, then wondered why she and her friend were the only women in the bar. He quickly explained and that was the last contact.


34 posted on 06/10/2005 10:31:28 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

***Even if you have no time, bookmark this thread and read it later!!****

Vitally imporant article, replete with excellent links. Please take the time and read it all, save it, and help others learn the truth about homosexuality. You may save someone you know or don't know from the "gay" life.

Let me know if you want on/off this pinglist.


Thank you, scripter, for your contributions to the truth about homosexuality.


35 posted on 06/10/2005 10:53:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Gabz

After reading your exchanges with Scripter lately, I figured you might be interested in this article and discussion, lots of links.


36 posted on 06/10/2005 11:00:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: little jeremiah

Thank you - I will take a better read at it over the weekend, it looks very interesting.


37 posted on 06/10/2005 11:07:25 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz

If I had young kids at home, I would consider this an invaluable personal resource. I think I'll try to get it out to parents I know with kids at home.


38 posted on 06/10/2005 11:17:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: knak
As a mom an only son that is sensitive, caring, loving and sweet, that just lost his dad to cancer six months ago it is also scary! Positive male role models I guess is the answer now.

i'm sure it is scary... just remember that many women have raised sons who have not become homosexual... while it's wise to have positive male role models in your son's life, remember to not let him over-identify with you... that's what i learned from reading A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality... it's an excellent book... i highly recommend it... even if you were to have no concerns, it's still excellent reading...

i have two sons that i homeschool, so they are with me just about all day... after reading the book, i've come to appreciate letting little boys be little boys! God Bless you and your son...

39 posted on 06/10/2005 11:25:52 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: scripter

BUMP


40 posted on 06/10/2005 11:34:23 PM PDT by Brian Allen ("Liberalism" is a psychosis -- anon [And] The mind that alters, alters all -- William Blake)
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To: scripter

It was very eye-opening.
I would have to say #4 is much higher, but the shame and fear probably continues to keep people from dealing with it. #4 could be overcome with a strong family unit, so that makes it twice as bad.
I pray for these folks who have such inner turmoil.
They aren't to be shunned - they are to be loved and helped.


41 posted on 06/10/2005 11:37:09 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: knak

Don't forget, grandfathers, uncles, or your brother-in-law could make for wonderful role models, as well.

I'm sorry for your loss, so please don't burden yourself. You have wonderful stories to share with him about his dad, and that may be who he will aspire to be!


42 posted on 06/10/2005 11:42:14 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: scripter
This is excellent scrip, where did you find this? NARTH, Exodus?
44 posted on 06/11/2005 8:30:36 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (WARNING: Exposure To The Son May Prevent Burning.)
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To: mabelkitty

My thoughts exactly, he is nine and remembers him well. So trying to keep him as alive as possible for him. Thanks.


45 posted on 06/11/2005 8:34:14 AM PDT by knak (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing)
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To: Rca2000

ping.


46 posted on 06/11/2005 8:37:27 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
I found the website People Can Change referenced in a book, perhaps A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality, and I've been pouring over their site ever since.

Last year I decided to concentrate more on the ex-gay/former homosexual aspect of the issue, as the very existence of ex-gays tends to help folks better focus on the real issues.

47 posted on 06/11/2005 8:49:27 AM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: DameAutour
"What if I'd attended college and tried to fit in by trying lesbian sex (which is really a form of mutual masturbation that is probably quite pleasurable and not painful like sex with men can be)."

I suspect there is something to that. I've noticed that excessive narcissism seems to be prevalent in the gay community, although it tends to be very much on the surface without a lot of introspection.
I suspect this is overcompensation for feelings of inferiority or inadequacy, and a lot of the behavior is an unhealthy reinforcement mechanism to compensate.

48 posted on 06/11/2005 9:13:45 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: scripter
the very existence of ex-gays tends to help folks better focus on the real issues.

You're right, that's the silver bullet. As much as I try to research the science end of the equation, it's all null and void if the ex-gay movement gets legs in the MSM. It'll take dragging the pro-sodomy activists out the door by their heels.

49 posted on 06/11/2005 9:14:54 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (WARNING: Exposure To The Son May Prevent Burning.)
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To: scripter
This is fascinating. I have some thoughts.

I have a nephew and a BIL who would, according to this, be very at risk for homosexuality.

My nephew, raised without a male figure until he was five and then by a step father he pretty much despised and could not relate to. Though, the step father was a decent man. My sister and myself really raised him. And, yes we smothered and did coddle him.

Though, he has been married and had children, I often have wondered if he had some issues about his sexuality when he was younger. He went through some difficult periods and I often wonder if he went to the other side for material needs. If that makes sense.

Now, my brother in law was raised very similarly. No father figure to speak of. Smothering mother. BUT, he did have my husband as a role model and to keep his butt in line. Strangley, my husband (ten years older) did have the father around during most of HIS youth and had him as more of a role model.

So, I would never even consider my BIL going over to the dark side. EVER. I think having the older brother decreased his vulnerability.

Intersting article, I think there is alot of truth there.

50 posted on 06/11/2005 9:27:31 AM PDT by riri
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