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Christians Could be Sent to Jail for Praying in School - (ACLU demands incarceration for praying)
CONCERNED WOMEN FOR AMERICA.ORG ^ | JUNE 9, 2005 | EDITORS

Posted on 06/10/2005 4:51:52 PM PDT by CHARLITE

"Anything short of actual imprisonment would be ineffective..." -- ACLU of Louisiana

“Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew5:10

In their latest attack on Christianity, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has filed a motion to hold Tangipahoa school board officials in Louisiana in contempt of court, asking they be jailed for praying in schools.

The Tangipahoa school board and the ACLU of Louisiana entered into an agreement, made public in an August 27, 2004, District Court Consent Judgment, which required school officials to prohibit “invocations given prior to athletic events,” “participation and/or encouragement by school officials in pre-game and post-game prayers involving student athletes,” and “invocations by students to the student body over the school’s public address system during assemblies or at any school sponsored event.” The ACLU claims school officials have violated the agreement on multiple occasions. This motion is the fourth complaint they’ve filed against the school board.

Even though this is considered a civil matter, the ACLU has asked the court to hold school officials in criminal contempt, asking for jail time. “Their refusal to comply with the Consent Decree should and must result in their removal from society—removal for a period of time sufficient to impress upon them, and like imitators, the seriousness of the Court’s order,” reads the complaint. “Anything short of actual imprisonment would be ineffective to sending that message to these individuals.”

What? This “must result in their removal from society”? Are we talking about child molesters here? Sorry, that can’t be it; those are the kind of people the ACLU would be defending instead of trying to put in jail. The ACLU defends the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and tries to get school officials in jail for praying --you know the real criminals.

Tragically, although I fully expect the court to reject this ridiculous request, the ACLU still moves its agenda forward with every lawsuit they bring. You see, it doesn’t really matter if they win or loose, by their own admission, what they want is to impress “like imitators” of the price to be paid for showing their faith in public. And unfortunately the courts have allowed and often helped them in this endeavor.

With their highly capricious interpretation of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause as erecting a “wall of separation between church and state,” U.S. courts find themselves more involved in matters of religion than the framers ever intended them to be. Is there anything more intrusive than the government sending you to jail for praying, no matter where it is?

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …” That’s all the First Amendment says. Nowhere can you find the “wall of separation” between church and state. Yet, in the name of freedom and liberty, groups like the ACLU would like to prohibit the free exercise of religion beyond a person’s private thoughts. “That’s okay, you can be a Christian, just don’t say it out loud.”

“This is another example of how the so-called ‘wall of separation’ continues to distort the meaning of the Establishment Clause, said Jan LaRue, CWA’s chief counsel. “Chief Justice Rehnquist has said: ‘It is impossible to build sound constitutional doctrine upon a mistaken understanding of constitutional history, but unfortunately the Establishment Clause has been expressly freighted with Jefferson’s misleading metaphor for nearly 40 years.’”

This is why the appointment of judges is so important to our country. For too long we’ve been silent, and now we are paying the price of our indifference. We need wisdom and character and self-control back in our courts. Freedom and democracy depend on it.

"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for justice, for they shall be filled." Matthew 5:6

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Louisiana
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“Chief Justice Rehnquist has said: ‘It is impossible to build sound constitutional doctrine upon a mistaken understanding of constitutional history, but unfortunately the Establishment Clause has been expressly freighted with Jefferson’s misleading metaphor for nearly 40 years.’”
1 posted on 06/10/2005 4:51:54 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

Jefferson was actually paraphrasing Roger Williams.


2 posted on 06/10/2005 4:53:06 PM PDT by Borges
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To: CHARLITE
“Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew5:10

That's a keeper.

3 posted on 06/10/2005 4:53:28 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If we're The Religious Right, does that make them The Godless Left? Discuss.)
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To: CHARLITE

it's coming down to either the aclu or america.


4 posted on 06/10/2005 4:53:31 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: ken21

The ACLU is going to lose.


5 posted on 06/10/2005 4:54:19 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: CHARLITE

Aren't the Muslims given special prayer rooms at their public schools in MI? Don't they have special arrangements for fasting during Ramadan? So why can't Christians in LA pray?


6 posted on 06/10/2005 4:55:26 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: muawiyah

good.

i think they are evil.


7 posted on 06/10/2005 4:55:28 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: CHARLITE

Even my Moveon.org liberal uncle calls this scary. I think the ACLU is about to hurt themselves.


8 posted on 06/10/2005 4:55:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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To: ken21
it's coming down to either the aclu or america.

That would be A merica - caps, bud.

The ACLU needs to go.

Now.

LVM

9 posted on 06/10/2005 4:56:03 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: ken21

Guantanamo would be acceptable for Christians, not terrorists.


10 posted on 06/10/2005 4:56:22 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: muawiyah

I'm still waiting for them to file suit against the Military for providing taxpayer funded Korans to the terrorists at Gitmo.


11 posted on 06/10/2005 4:56:39 PM PDT by marty60
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To: kittymyrib
Aren't the Muslims given special prayer rooms at their public schools in MI?

In California (at least in the Sacramento area) junior high students are taught the 10 Pillars of Islam and are required to dress in Muslim attire for a day.

12 posted on 06/10/2005 4:58:51 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If we're The Religious Right, does that make them The Godless Left? Discuss.)
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To: muawiyah

I really wish they would. I live here, this has been ongoing for about 7 years. Everytime someone says a prayer, holds an off campus meeting, brings a bible to school, the ACLU come swooping down.

The first time they attacked an organization that held vonluntary lunch meetings in a church that is just feet from the local high school. He was giving away free pizza. It was totally volutary for kids to attend. My Step-father successfully defended the organization against Joe Cook, our Louisiana State ACLU head. I could post his comments about him, but that might not be wise.

This was the high school my kids attended at the time.


13 posted on 06/10/2005 5:00:37 PM PDT by auntyfemenist (Show me your papers...)
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To: ken21

And we were afraid of the communist, now they are in our mist.


14 posted on 06/10/2005 5:01:31 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: Texas Eagle

Any "parent" that allows that, is brain dead. That should have been a HUGE clue, to get out of public schools NOW!


15 posted on 06/10/2005 5:01:43 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: cripplecreek

I was thinking the same thing. Let them keep doing what they do until "the people" get fed up. That is when action happens. IMO


16 posted on 06/10/2005 5:02:03 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is a religion of peace, they should fire their P.R. guy!)
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To: CHARLITE

One more thing...I know all the Judges here in this little district. I would be very surprised if any of them would agree to incarcerating anyone.

What Joe Cook isn't counting on is, they have to be re-elected soon. They aren't going to want to jail anyone on that fact if none other.


17 posted on 06/10/2005 5:03:01 PM PDT by auntyfemenist (Show me your papers...)
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To: Texas Eagle

Here's my suggestion

If you live in any of these liberal states, are conservative in politics, but are supportive of legalized gambling, and have the wherewithall to do something beneficial to the economy.

Please come to Mobile, Alabama, we have a great Mardi Gras, we're not liberal, a wonderful climate, and a really low cost of living. For what you have to pay to live middle class in Cali, you can live like a king here.


18 posted on 06/10/2005 5:03:41 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (Farragut got lucky, if we had been on our game, we would have blasted him off Dauphin Island)
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To: kittymyrib
Aren't the Muslims given special prayer rooms at their public schools in MI? Don't they have special arrangements for fasting during Ramadan? So why can't Christians in LA pray?

Easy answer: The ACLU is not interested in the so-called separation of church and state. They are anti-Christian, anti-Catholic.

They will fight for the right of muslims, buddhists, satanists, etc., to pray or worship in school, colleges, universities, but Christians? NO WAY!

If they went after every religion equally, they might (and I emphasize MIGHT) have a little more credibility.

The ACLU is anti-American, anti-White, anti-Christian, anti-business, anti-state's rights, anti-military, anti-law enforcement. They are pro terrorist, pro marxist, pro deviants, pro illegal drugs, pro anarchy.

Unfortunately I believe it will take quite a few more years before the general public rises up against them.

The first thing that should be done is to cut off their public funds!

19 posted on 06/10/2005 5:03:52 PM PDT by technomage
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To: CHARLITE

Freedom OF religion.. hmm..
I assume they only want christians to go to jail for praying?
I hope the aclu is shut down and soon, do are doing everything to destroy all that is good and right in this country.


20 posted on 06/10/2005 5:04:09 PM PDT by Trillian
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To: monkeywrench
That should have been a HUGE clue, to get out of public schools NOW!

You would think.

21 posted on 06/10/2005 5:06:41 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If we're The Religious Right, does that make them The Godless Left? Discuss.)
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To: technomage
They are anti-Christian, anti-Catholic.

don't worry they are working up to anti-Jewish. That is to overt to spout just yet. But there will be an issue they can jump onto sometime.

22 posted on 06/10/2005 5:06:54 PM PDT by marty60
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To: boomop1

they've been in our midst for a l-o-n-g time.

it began with the enfatuation of the american rich with european fashions. one of these fashions was karl marx and communism.

eleanor roosevelt attended communist party meetings.

some members of fdr's party were communists. harold ickes, for example, leaned that way. his son served in the clinton administration.

they infiltrated the united states for the purpose of taking over.

david horowitz' "radical son" describes his upbringing in an immigrant, communist home.

anny coulter's "treason" describes how the left has successfully distorted "mccarthyism" in the united states.


23 posted on 06/10/2005 5:07:11 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: CHARLITE

Prison for praying in School? I'd like to call them on that and see where this goes. The ACLU has been a pain for too long.


24 posted on 06/10/2005 5:09:23 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: CHARLITE

bump


25 posted on 06/10/2005 5:10:21 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: technomage
The ACLU is ... pro terrorist, pro marxist, pro deviants, pro illegal drugs, pro anarchy.

The ACLU is like the Shadows (sf ref to Babylon5)

26 posted on 06/10/2005 5:13:36 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: CHARLITE
The Tangipahoa school board and the ACLU of Louisiana entered into an agreement

Why in the world would anyone do that?

27 posted on 06/10/2005 5:14:13 PM PDT by AshfieldK
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To: TruthConquers
The ACLU is like the Shadows (sf ref to Babylon5)

At least the Shadows stayed in the background. The AACLU (Anti-American Civil Liberties Union) is now 'in your face'.

Now, members of the AACLU do bear a striking resemblance to the Shadows.

28 posted on 06/10/2005 5:16:21 PM PDT by technomage
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To: Erik Latranyi
Guantanamo would be acceptable for Christians, not terrorists.

by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)

What the hell?

Wait a minute. What am I doing? You're a troll and will never come back, right?

29 posted on 06/10/2005 5:17:04 PM PDT by AshfieldK
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To: K4Harty
"I was thinking the same thing. Let them keep doing what they do until "the people" get fed up. That is when action happens. IMO"

I think your right. How about a kinda "Boston Tea Party" get several hundred parents to go to the school and hold a "Pray IN" demonstration and dare the ACLU to stop it. Do it all across the country.

How can they prosecute people to praying to their Christian God and then scream because of a Koran in Gitmo?
30 posted on 06/10/2005 5:17:58 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Trillian
First they need to mark Christan owned businesses. Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
31 posted on 06/10/2005 5:18:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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To: CHARLITE
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

32 posted on 06/10/2005 5:20:21 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: CHARLITE

You know I think Nancy Pelosi would call it an abuse of power for the Republicans to elect the Speaker of the House. She's a wack job and I would love to see her blink. Just once! Her face might shatter. Gotta love a later in her 50's or 60's trying to look like she's in her 20's only to seem like she's in a Frankenstein movie


33 posted on 06/10/2005 5:20:52 PM PDT by dannyboy72 (How long will you hold onto the rope when Liberals pull us off the cliff?)
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To: CHARLITE

However, just let a bunch of Muslims pray at school....


34 posted on 06/10/2005 5:25:51 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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To: CHARLITE

The ACLU engaging in religious hate speech? Who'd have guessed it?


35 posted on 06/10/2005 5:28:50 PM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Do they get to cut the heads off of other students they don't agree with, too?

TLR


36 posted on 06/10/2005 5:33:36 PM PDT by The Last Rebel
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To: Americanexpat

Good point. Here in the blogosphere we hear about a lot of this, but that is becasue we are "plugged in." The general populace is not and we know the MSM is not going to tell them. When enough people are fed up they will react. That is why I like Howard Dean, the ACLU and their ilk spouting off. Short term pains for us, long term gain when the People rise up.


37 posted on 06/10/2005 5:34:49 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is a religion of peace, they should fire their P.R. guy!)
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To: TheDon
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. The Anti-american Communist Lawyers Union are a bunch of seditious traitors and should be dealt with extreme prejudice.
38 posted on 06/10/2005 5:34:53 PM PDT by boofus
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To: CHARLITE
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …” That’s all the First Amendment says. Nowhere can you find the “wall of separation” between church and state. Yet, in the name of freedom and liberty, groups like the ACLU would like to prohibit the free exercise of religion beyond a person’s private thoughts. “That’s okay, you can be a Christian, just don’t say it out loud.”

I found the "wall of separation". Article 52 Section 2 of this Constitution.

gitmo

39 posted on 06/10/2005 5:42:16 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: AshfieldK

Don't you get it?
Think.


40 posted on 06/10/2005 5:46:04 PM PDT by visualops (visualops.com)
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To: gitmo

LOL!! Now we know what is wrong with the ACLU: wrong Constitution!!


41 posted on 06/10/2005 5:49:43 PM PDT by SpinyNorman (Liberals are enablers for terrorists and other anti-American groups.)
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To: CHARLITE

Names and addresses of these ACLU attorneys.


42 posted on 06/10/2005 5:51:12 PM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male)
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To: little jeremiah; CyberAnt; Cornpone; Blurblogger; AmericanArchConservative; EagleUSA; ...

Ping!


43 posted on 06/10/2005 5:56:08 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE
...“Their refusal to comply with the Consent Decree should and must result in their removal from society—removal for a period of time sufficient to impress upon them, and like imitators, the seriousness of the Court’s order,” ...

There is no reason this or any other school board should have entered into an agreement with the ACLU. If you give them an inch, they will take a mile. I guess these people are figuring that out now that the ACLU is wanting them to be put behind bars.

It is time to ignore the ACLU and any court order that forbids people who want to pray, anywhere, anytime. Any such order is unconstitutional, and therefore, should not be followed.
44 posted on 06/10/2005 5:56:48 PM PDT by planekT (Go DeLay, Go!)
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To: ken21
So why won't the wimps in DC defund the ACLU. Why are my tax dollars going for this travesty?? Not to mention PBS and "the arts" that we are also paying for.
It's about time someone in DC got the balls to quit blowing tax dollars on this anti-American crap!!!
45 posted on 06/10/2005 5:58:04 PM PDT by taillightchaser
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To: CHARLITE

Take religion or prayer or invocation or whatever out of the picture. No one has ever explained to me why "prayer" isn't included in that vast domain called free speech.


46 posted on 06/10/2005 5:58:47 PM PDT by stevem
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To: CHARLITE
WHAT?!!!!!!



I hates the ACLU!

47 posted on 06/10/2005 5:59:07 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: taillightchaser

if we don't get it now, we never will.

we have a republican president and a republican congress.


48 posted on 06/10/2005 6:00:50 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: CHARLITE

"ACLU would like to prohibit the free exercise of religion beyond a person’s private thoughts"

OK..so it's the ACLU vs. the God they deny. Time to choose whose side you are on?
hint..hint... all my $$$'s on God. Go with the WINNER!

Down ya go A-C-Losers.


49 posted on 06/10/2005 6:09:35 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Borges

Can you believe this crap? In New York City the Muslims were trying to force the schools education board to allow the Muslim students to pray during school hours. We heared nothing from the American Communist liberation Unit about that.


50 posted on 06/10/2005 6:10:40 PM PDT by puppypusher
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