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Terry Larkin: If Bush 'lied,' then he's in very good company (letter to the Editor)
star tribune ^ | 6/11/2005 | Terry Larkin

Posted on 06/10/2005 6:21:00 PM PDT by bitt

I deeply disagree with your statement "Bush lied." Had you uttered such a remark in a court of law, the judge would've been compelled to order the jury to ignore it.

Your readers should receive similar instructions. Here's why.

A brief examination of the public record reveals a significant number of government officials -- American and foreign, elected and career -- who stated that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and was a threat to world peace. A few of them would be:

• President Bill Clinton -Dec. 16, 1998, in an Oval Office address to the American people explaining why he ordered a new bombing strike on Iraq. Two of his supporting statements were that Iraq possessed WMDs and Saddam's continued presence in power was a threat to world peace.

• President George W. Bush in a September 2002 speech to the United Nations. Basically reiterating what Clinton had already said, Bush added, "It is time to act." Following this speech, Bush agreed with Secretary of State Colin Powell's recommendation to seek a U.S. Senate vote of support for military action in Iraq.

• Sens. John Kerry and Paul Wellstone, in October 2002, on the floor of the U.S. Senate. In the Senate debate on Bush's request, each senator asserted that Iraq possessed WMDs and the world would be better without Saddam in power. (While Wellstone disagreed with Bush's course of action, he never once alleged, asserted or suggested that the president was lying.)

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• William Cohen, who was defense secretary during the Clinton administration, testified before the 9/11 commission. Asked why the Clinton administration had bombed the Al-Qaida factory in Sudan, Cohen said, "because the Al-Qaida/Sudan management team was seen in Baghdad meeting with the Iraq officials known to be in charge of Iraq's WMD program."...

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1998; 2004; bias; bush; kerry; mediabias; quotes; wmd
I hope this guy is a FReeper.

"...So, to restore some comity (and common sense) to your editorials, here is my advice. The next time your lesser angels insist on publishing "Bush lied," try typing, "Bush's mother wears combat boots." Then sleep on it for one night, and see which statement sounds sillier the next morning.

You will have a better paper if you do."

Terry Larkin, Minnetonka, is a business consultant.

1 posted on 06/10/2005 6:21:01 PM PDT by bitt
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To: bitt

That same "Bush lied" letter appeared in all the newspapers across the country.

I think it's Howard Dean's "Shock and Awe" campaign.


2 posted on 06/10/2005 6:25:55 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: MikeHu

The only thing Dean has to offer is Schlock and Flaw.


3 posted on 06/10/2005 6:28:20 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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To: bitt
Saddam; the mass murdering, racist, woman-hating, tyrant; did not give Bush or anyone else in the world any reason to trust him. If Saddam was not hiding anything, then why did he act like he had something to hide? Was he just playing a silly game with the President and the rest of the UN? Nobody in their right mind believes that.
4 posted on 06/10/2005 6:37:56 PM PDT by LifeOrGoods? (God is not a God of fear, but of power, love and a sane mind.)
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To: Paul Atreides

It seems to be a favorite ploy of the newspapers now: manipulate the letters to the editors to make it say anything they want to say -- particularly with the usual Bush-bashing that is distributed to all the local communities and signed by renowned dysfunctional people in the community. That way they get their hate message out without having any accountability for them. The newspapers have become nothing more than propaganda machines. Fortunately, they're also becoming irrelevant and the self-respecting ones are leaving the talentless ones behind. If they want to win a propaganda battle, they need to hire and retain some talented people -- and not just those who are so obvious, grade schoolers can see through them.


5 posted on 06/10/2005 6:38:49 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: bitt

I have not read a newspaper in over a decade.

I don't think I'll read one again any time soon.


6 posted on 06/10/2005 6:42:21 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: bitt; All

shameful editorial at the Boston Glob, trying to justify it's disgraceful behavior...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420695/posts


7 posted on 06/10/2005 6:51:45 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: bitt

What is it about journalism that seems to attract and retain the vilest, crudest, most despicable people in the gene pool now? Nothing seems to be beneath them as they push everybody else aside vainly trying to get to the top -- as though it were American Idol. They're being played for fools by their rich media owners and their stooges. They'll always be just flunkies and not the pompous top guy exploiting and manipulating everybody else, they imagine themselves being.


8 posted on 06/10/2005 7:02:31 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: MikeHu

It's power-envy, isn't it? President Bush has it, and they don't, so they're going to drag him down to their level.

They ought to just quit those jobs and get back into self-fulfilling and self-enobling writing. Otherwise, of course they will continue to have low self-esteem -- as reflected in their writings and editings. The resentment and bitterness is palpable. That's about all it is now.


9 posted on 06/10/2005 7:10:28 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: MikeHu
What is it about journalism that seems to attract and retain the vilest, crudest, most despicable people in the gene pool now?

That's funny, I've never heard such a statement made about engineering...

10 posted on 06/10/2005 7:16:46 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (feed me)
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To: MikeHu

There have been tremendous advances in every field of understanding in the last fifty years -- even last ten years, with the notable exception of journalism and education.

Somehow, these people think that, history is going to repeat itself and once again, they will be on the top of the hill, with information worth knowing about anything.

In the meantime, here is the best of their biases, prejudices and ignorance -- in case you weren't around for the last fifty years.


11 posted on 06/10/2005 7:18:17 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: bitt

This "Lied" stuff drives me nuts. I guess they assume GWB had conculsive evidence that no WMD existed in Iraq. Well, what kind of evidence does the non-existence of anything produce. Well- NONE. One only gets reports or evidence of the EXISTENCE things. That evidence it turns out was INACCURATE or the analysis was FAULTY. If GWB knew with certainty that there existed no WMD are intelligent services are stunningly awesome or GWB is omnipotent.


12 posted on 06/10/2005 7:20:05 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: exDemMom

You really should read the Washington Times. First class journalism and the best editorial page in the US!


13 posted on 06/10/2005 7:23:56 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman

That might be true.


14 posted on 06/10/2005 7:26:59 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: All

Clinton laid.


15 posted on 06/10/2005 7:38:32 PM PDT by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: bitt

bookmark


16 posted on 06/10/2005 8:03:40 PM PDT by chaosagent (It's all right to be crazy. Just don't let it drive you nuts.)
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To: MikeHu

their rich media owners and their stooges...

what annoys me is that even as their circulation numbers are going down DRASTICALLY, they still don't seem to get it.

Hey, MSM!

WE'RE NOT BUYING IT! NOT YOUR PAPERS nor YOUR LIES!


17 posted on 06/10/2005 8:26:33 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: bitt
What Did The Democrats Say About Iraq's WMD
18 posted on 06/10/2005 8:29:39 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: MikeHu

'Tis true, I tell you! 'Tis true!


19 posted on 06/10/2005 8:45:00 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman

The thing I notice about their (Washington Times) writing is that they don't seem to be forcing you to come to their conclusions and value judgments. With most of the "liberal" newspapers and writing, you feel their whole purpose is to brainwash you -- as a sign of their superior intelligence and power.

It'd be all right if they just wanted to relay the news -- but that deep longing and incessant deceptions to prove their superiority, gets rather tiresome. If only they weren't so obvious, inept, self-conscious, they might be forgivable, maybe even laughable. But now they're just pathetic and annoying.

Where are the suicide-bombers when you need them?


20 posted on 06/10/2005 9:36:01 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: Taxman

Thanks for the suggestion. Although I find that I have access to perfectly good articles right here on FR--and no print media can compete with FR when you're in the mood for a good troll ZOTting!


21 posted on 06/11/2005 5:55:35 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: bitt

Am I dreaming or did Cohen and Mad Maddie really make the rounds of all the Sunday talk shows toting a 5 lb bag of sugar to demonstrate how dangerous Saddams WMD were?


22 posted on 06/11/2005 7:53:31 AM PDT by csmusaret (Urban Sprawl is an oxymoron)
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To: Polybius

GREAT LINK...NEED TO SAVE THIS.


23 posted on 06/11/2005 8:31:34 AM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: Taxman
You really should read the Washington Times. First class journalism and the best editorial page in the US!

The NY Post is also a fun paper to read, especially when they tear into the RATS, and their headlines are usually pretty funny.

24 posted on 06/11/2005 8:38:03 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) (I don't hate anybody, except the French....)
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To: exDemMom

You got that right!


25 posted on 06/11/2005 8:39:26 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

So I have heard -- though I have never seen the paper. I suscribe to the WT Weekly, but I sure miss reading it daily!


26 posted on 06/12/2005 4:28:10 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: MikeHu

Pathetic and annoying to those of us who are able to tell the difference between "We report, you decide" and brainwashing.

Unfortunately, though our numbers are growing, the MSM still wields considerable power to brainwash many millions of Americans.

HST, I beleive the MSM is on a path of self-destruction, and ultimately, the truth will prevail.


27 posted on 06/12/2005 4:31:42 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman

There is no hope for the mainstream media.

They've circled the wagons and bolted the doors -- locking all the talent and ability on the outside. So there's nobody to pull them out of their downward spiral until those with lifetime jobs retire -- in say, twenty years. But by then, it'll be too late for them.

Journalism and teaching should not be dictated by union seniority rules; merit is not an option -- it is vital to the undertaking.


28 posted on 06/12/2005 11:28:55 AM PDT by MikeHu
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