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Kerry's Vietnam (Boston Globe painted into a Corner)
Boston Glob ^ | 6/10/05 | GLOBE EDITORIAL

Posted on 06/10/2005 6:34:31 PM PDT by bitt

DESPITE THE continuing gripes of his critics, records released this week show that Senator John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. The documents should put to rest claims that Kerry misrepresented his military record in the presidential race. But Kerry's failure to respond to the smear campaign launched against him last summer lent credibility to its real objective: to impugn his equally honorable opposition to the war.

John O'Neill, a Houston lawyer and Kerry's adversary on the war since 1971, acknowledged as much in a telephone interview Wednesday. ''We produced seven commercials," he said of his anti-Kerry group, now called Swift Vets and POWs for Truth. ''Only one dealt with Vietnam activities." O'Neill was incensed by Kerry's memorable testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971, in which the young veteran, clad in a combat shirt, criticized the war.

Kerry has said that he may have used a poor choice of words when he cited other veterans' reports of atrocities as being ''in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan." But his basic analysis was sound: Vietnamese and Americans were dying needlessly because the war was a mistake, and US policymakers allowed it to continue even though they were aware that their strategy for victory was failing.

The Swift Boat ads ....snip

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...made much of the plight of US pilots captured by the North Vietnamese -- and most were horribly treated by their captors. But these men languished in prison for years in part because the US government failed to follow Kerry's advice to end an unwinnable war.

snip...

O'Neill said he didn't think the election should have hinged on either candidate's war record, and he's right that Bush's choice was typical of many in his generation. It is Kerry's choice that was atypical.

The records Kerry allowed to be released this week show that his commanders in Vietnam called him ''one of the finest young officers with whom I have served," and ''the acknowledged leader of his peer group. " His stand against the war only confirmed these qualities.

1 posted on 06/10/2005 6:34:31 PM PDT by bitt
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To: bitt

At first I thought you were posting a parody----"Boston Glob" is a good name for it!


2 posted on 06/10/2005 6:36:43 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: johnny7; TomGuy; maryz; Lonesome in Massachussets; JLO; gidget7; nopardons; Kenny Bunk; GianniV; ...

Really offensive editorial from the Glob about Kerry:

he's vindicated and shouldn't be hated for trying to end the Vietnam war while George Bush 'supported it at Yale, but after graduation he chose reserve duty that kept him out of combat.'


3 posted on 06/10/2005 6:39:15 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: bitt
Kerry was in Vietnam?
Why did`nt that come out in the last election?

Sorry John but wars are not photo ops or resume builders.

4 posted on 06/10/2005 6:39:57 PM PDT by carlr
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To: bitt

"Vietnamese and Americans were dying needlessly because the war was a mistake"

As opposed to the vietnamese that died after the war was over, right?

Somehow liberals think that if a despotic government kills people, it didn't really happen. Just like they forget about all the mass graves in Iraq from Saddam.


5 posted on 06/10/2005 6:40:18 PM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: bitt
DESPITE THE continuing gripes of his critics, records released this week show that Senator John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam.

Besides Kerry's college transcript, what was released? Or does his transcrips somehow prove kerry served honorably.

6 posted on 06/10/2005 6:42:43 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: bitt; All

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS

Distribute these url's!

Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html


EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!

http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html

Full details on these url's!

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

Did you see this...?
(The 'Kerry's Promise Counter')
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=6628
Polipundit even tells you how to install it on your own page!

Swift Boat Veteran For Truth John O'Neill Comments on Kerry's 180 'Release'
6/7/05
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418592/posts

John Kerry was dishonorably dismissed from the Navy:
(statement from lawyers there at the time)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1406760/posts


7 posted on 06/10/2005 6:43:06 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: bitt

What about the records Kerry didn't allow to be released?


8 posted on 06/10/2005 6:44:42 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: bitt
I wonder if the Glob even realizes that Kerry evidently did NOT release all of his military records...

They were shamefully used by the Kerry people. I wonder if they even care...

9 posted on 06/10/2005 6:44:46 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: bitt

"served honorably in vietnam"? 3 months. everyone was there 12 or 13.

it's not his vietnam records he's hiding, it's his paris meetings afterwards, and his discharge that carter upgraded.


10 posted on 06/10/2005 6:44:54 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: I still care

Genocide in Africa? There ain't no stinkin' genocide in Africa. All they need is rich musicians to have a rock conert and dupe the working folks into donating money for something that can't really be defined.


11 posted on 06/10/2005 6:46:27 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: bitt
Some respect for his "Band of Brothers":


12 posted on 06/10/2005 6:46:59 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Mears; All

'At first I thought you were posting a parody----"'

The bias and blatant disregard for their mission (report the news, comment appropriately) in this editorial at first made me THINK it was a parody, coming so quickly upon their disgraceful attempt to whitewash the story on Kerry's records...

Anyone with time on their hands could call these bozos...

And switch to the Boston Herald and the NY Post and the Washington Times, too.




Ombudsman
(617) 929-3020
ombud@globe.com

Editorial Pages
(617) 929-3025


13 posted on 06/10/2005 6:47:28 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: bitt

pure swill from the Globe. Kranish is behind this. He was the official Boston Globe Kerry butt wipe from the 2004 election. They keep repeating the same old war hero trash over and over.

The facts: kerry signed some of his records over to the globe and the rest of us will never see his records.


14 posted on 06/10/2005 6:49:34 PM PDT by putupjob
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All

thanks, Tonk...you're always right there with the info.

Several of us keep ping lists for the Kerry Watch...

on or off, let us know by FR Mail.



15 posted on 06/10/2005 6:49:40 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: Mears

I like Boston Bulb!


16 posted on 06/10/2005 6:52:07 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: bitt

I have realized that the only reason Kerry delayed authorizing the release of these records is that he was negotiating with the Defense Department demanding that they sanitize his record before release. That appears to be the only plausible explanation for the delay.


17 posted on 06/10/2005 6:55:13 PM PDT by ontos-on
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To: okie01
"I wonder if the Glob even realizes that Kerry evidently did NOT release all of his military records..."

The Globe editor knows full well that Kerry won't and never will submit a 180 for release of his full military record. And they don't care, either. They will keep covering for him and they will keep on attacking and misrepresenting O'Neill and anybody else who wonders why Kerry won't do what Bush was not afraid to do -- submit the 180.

18 posted on 06/10/2005 6:55:54 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: dead; bitt

Of course we ALL know who Kerry's REAL 'Band of Brothers' were...


19 posted on 06/10/2005 6:56:41 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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To: All
Kerry's wartime service and his equally honorable opposition to the war

Meeting with and advocating the enemy's conditions for peace in testimony before a U.S. Senate committee is honorable?!

Lies about our military before that same committee is honorable?!

20 posted on 06/10/2005 6:58:12 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: ontos-on
I've been out of the news loop for awhile. Looks like Kerry did submit a 180. If, as you suggest, he got somebody to alter his records before release, that's a federal crime.
21 posted on 06/10/2005 6:59:55 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
you HAVE been out of the loop.

He only signed a partial release, apparently, and only to the Glob and LA Times.

They won't show what their 180 release states.

No answers have been given to any questions other than for the 'reporter' to state that there was "nothing much new" and that, well, Kerry got lower marks than Bush at Yale.


22 posted on 06/10/2005 7:05:15 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: bitt

Why am I not holding my breath waiting for the Glob to publish the his records?


23 posted on 06/10/2005 7:06:59 PM PDT by fso301
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

kerry may be a terrible worthless senator but lets not employ the tactics of the left by posting lame "kerry is treasonous" websites. its time to move on from the election. if we elected real repub's not rino's like mccain and snowe then we would never have to hear from kerry anyway, his leftist socailist ideas would be tossed aside by a clear conservative majority


24 posted on 06/10/2005 7:13:00 PM PDT by curtisgardner
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To: bitt

I've still seen no explanation for Kerry's discharge being dated about 15 years after he supposedly got out, and his medals being reissued. Until someone can explain these things, all of his records have not been released


25 posted on 06/10/2005 7:15:22 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: bitt

" He only signed a partial release, apparently, and only to the Glob and LA Times."

The Boston Globe article said it was an "undeleted" request.

Also, the comments above re how Kerry was dishonorably discharged then upgraded by Carter are fantasyland, IMO.

There has not been one shred of evidence to support this conjecture. I've never even seen any evidence that Carter's amnesty affected anyone but draft dodgers.

I dislike Kerry as much if not more than anybody. It doesn't help the cause to keep repeating unproven conjecture as fact, IMO.


26 posted on 06/10/2005 7:16:09 PM PDT by Curious Yellow
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To: bitt

One word...

GRRRRR....


27 posted on 06/10/2005 7:16:21 PM PDT by CedarDave (VietNam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: Didn't see Kerry's sorry ass.)
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To: I still care

Was Kerry sent on a sereptitious mission into Cambodia, like Kerry repeatedly stated?


28 posted on 06/10/2005 7:19:35 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: bitt; ALOHA RONNIE; mhking; Vets_Husband_and_Wife; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; MeekOneGOP; ...

"O'Neill was incensed by Kerry's memorable testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971, in which the young veteran, clad in a combat shirt, criticized the war."

Aren't we all incensed? I know I am!


29 posted on 06/10/2005 7:21:30 PM PDT by JLO
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To: bitt

the new york times owns the boston glob.


30 posted on 06/10/2005 7:22:16 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: curtisgardner

You may think calling kerry a traitor is lame, but the overwhelming majority of those who have ever wore a uniform would consider it an accurate description.

I firmly believe that many Americans are dead, that would be with their families today, but for that treasnous scum.
How anyone who knows about his trips to paris, his advocacy of the enemy's position, his knowingly false accusations......could consider him less than a traitor is beyond me. Unless you consider that Kerry has always remained loyal to the one thing that Kerry considers important, himself.


31 posted on 06/10/2005 7:22:17 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: bitt
The records Kerry allowed to be released

This is deceptive.

Kerry has full access/control of every piece of his military record, and has but to personally request them.

But because he has had them released to the Navy, rather than to a non-governmental entity, he can seem to have the best of both worlds, because the Navy cannot release the entire record, only that which they receive from the Federal Records Center.

But in this case, Kerry is making the situation look like he has released it all, and the MSM enablers are helping.

32 posted on 06/10/2005 7:22:52 PM PDT by twntaipan ( I would sooner trust the North Koreans to keep their word than the Democrats --- Ann Coulter)
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To: NavVet

i didnt say kerry wasnt a traitor; what i said was that it is lame to have lame websites devoted to the point lets worry about the mission we have and that is advancing a conservative agenda, not acting michael moore-like and attacking things that are really a waste of time to discuss


33 posted on 06/10/2005 7:24:26 PM PDT by curtisgardner
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To: curtisgardner

"kerry may be a terrible worthless senator

but lets not employ the tactics of the left by posting lame "kerry is treasonous" websites.

its time to move on from the election.

if we elected real repub's not rino's like mccain and snowe then we would never have to hear from kerry anyway, his leftist socailist ideas would be tossed aside by a clear conservative majority"

You have a lot to learn.

Hanoi Kerry IS a traitor!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS


34 posted on 06/10/2005 7:24:42 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: NavVet

Not to mention how many boat people died. The very large Vietnamese population in California hated Kerry and the press ignored them.


35 posted on 06/10/2005 7:26:06 PM PDT by hipaatwo (When you're in trouble you want all your friends around you...preferably armed!)
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To: Curious Yellow; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Also, the comments above re how Kerry was dishonorably discharged then upgraded by Carter are fantasyland, IMO. There has not been one shred of evidence to support this conjecture.

Hey Newbie, go visit some of Tonk's links in #7 above and then come back and spout your BS. Some of us know of what we speak. There's a wealth of information out there that gives more than a little credence to our beliefs about Kerry. And until we see a signed copy of the Form 180 with a request for ALL official sources of info to be released, most of us won't take the Boston Globe's word for it. There are too many of us who spent time over there on the boats who know that things didn't happen the way he states they did.

36 posted on 06/10/2005 7:26:29 PM PDT by CedarDave (VietNam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: Didn't see Kerry's sorry ass.)
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To: Texas Songwriter
As I remember, there was a US boat blocking the Mekong. In order for Curry to gain access to Cambodia a Challenge and Reply would have been in order. Of course, Curry would much Rather fashion his "rememberances after the scene from "Appopletic Nuance" as directed by that famous French Director Jacques Fulashits!
37 posted on 06/10/2005 7:27:39 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: curtisgardner

What part of the US Constitution
do you consider lame?

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

Are these sites "lame" also?

Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html


38 posted on 06/10/2005 7:28:31 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Go get'em, Tonk!!


39 posted on 06/10/2005 7:30:05 PM PDT by CedarDave (VietNam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: Didn't see Kerry's sorry ass.)
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To: curtisgardner

velcome to free republic.

tonk was there. i respect guys who were there.


40 posted on 06/10/2005 7:30:22 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

your clearly not reading what im typing just reacting to the way you want my comments to read. i think john kerry is a terrible senator, american, and person. what im saying is that there are many more important things going on than what some persidential wannabe did 40 years ago. remember we have troops in battle right now. lets focus on getting senators elected who will truly support them. your not focusing on the core issue. it has nothing to do with the constitution, it has to do with priorities


41 posted on 06/10/2005 7:30:54 PM PDT by curtisgardner
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To: CedarDave

I suggest you actually look at a form 180. There are only two choices: Deleted and undeleted. If the Globe claims he signed an undeleted request, then maybe it is true. They put "quote" around the word, so they were looking at the form at the time, presumeably.

(And I bet I know more about all of this than you, no matter my sign up date.)


42 posted on 06/10/2005 7:33:44 PM PDT by Curious Yellow
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To: JLO
That stinking, disrespecting the uniform, long haired, treacherous, lying, pompous, loudmouth, whelp of a porch dog, insubordinate, disgrace of a Lieutenant; more fit to carry the hod than shoulder boards. And those are the nice things I have to say about him.
43 posted on 06/10/2005 7:37:07 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: bitt

"Re..."The Ombudsman" He /she /it will not reply unless you are a pro abotion / gay/ transgendered convict who wishes to adopt a child into a Blended..... hic hic family!!!!


44 posted on 06/10/2005 7:37:24 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: curtisgardner

Why do you want to "forget" about Hanoi Kerry?

Why do you condone a traitor in the US Senate?



45 posted on 06/10/2005 7:37:48 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: curtisgardner

I agree that we have lots of more important tasks before us than to revisit events of 35 years ago, EXCEPT that letting history be re-written or brushed off as unimportant now is wrong as the beneficiary is a former and likely future traitorous presidential candidate. The truth is a casualty if those who know the truth do not continually remind others of it.


46 posted on 06/10/2005 7:39:00 PM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: Didn't see Kerry's sorry ass.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

nothing will come of it; it is a waste of time and energy; like i said before (its like a broken record) there are MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT


47 posted on 06/10/2005 7:40:10 PM PDT by curtisgardner
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To: bitt

Kerry did not release all of his records, from what I understood he released only part of them.


48 posted on 06/10/2005 7:40:57 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bitt

Released records? That's another lie.


49 posted on 06/10/2005 7:41:31 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: CedarDave

i wont forget about it i just will be sure not to vote for a benedict arnold. i will however work on getting the candidate im most in line with elected


50 posted on 06/10/2005 7:41:47 PM PDT by curtisgardner
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