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The Dutch-Muslim Culture War
Yahoo! ^ | January 9, 2005 | Deborah Scroggins [The Nation]

Posted on 06/10/2005 10:01:22 PM PDT by quidnunc

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is supposed to be on the run, but, as one last spring snowstorm turned Amsterdam's lacy bridges and gabled canal houses into a confectioner's delight, she seemed to be everywhere. On television the slim, pantsuit-clad, Somali-born legislator demanded that the Dutch intelligence service investigate the honor killings of Muslim girls. In the pages of newspapers she harangued the health authorities to examine schoolgirls for evidence of genital mutilation. At prize ceremonies she warned European governments that women in their Muslim communities remain under threat.

Seven months ago, Hirsi Ali's implacable campaign against what she views as Islam's oppression of women prompted a Muslim fanatic to ritually slaughter Theo van Gogh, her Dutch collaborator on the film Submission. The murderer used his knife to affix a five-page letter to the corpse promising the same treatment for Hirsi Ali and another Dutch politician who has criticized Islam. The murder sent Dutch society into paroxysms of rage and fear, sparking dozens of attacks on mosques and schools. But it didn't seem to faze Hirsi Ali. In a series of defiant interviews, the former refugee refused to be intimidated. When a group of Muslims tried to block her from making a sequel to Submission, she fought back in court and won. Like a dark avenging angel, she seemed to loom over Holland's wintry Dutch, her ubiquitous media presence a virtual guarantee of further conflict.

In the United States, where few people have had the chance to read or see her critiques of Islam, the 35-year-old Hirsi Ali has been almost exclusively portrayed as a champion of free speech and women's rights. In the Netherlands, however, she remains the subject of intense controversy. Well before van Gogh's murder, she had become a major hate figure among Dutch Muslims, who accuse her of stirring up Islamophobia on behalf of a cabal of right-wing politicians and columnists. Since the murder, a surprising number of native-born Dutch intellectuals have come around to the Muslim point of view.

In a series of "Letters to Hirsi Ali" published this spring in the newspaper De Volkskrant, several well-known, mostly male writers charged her with poisoning the political atmosphere with her strident attacks on Islam and the Prophet Mohammed. They argued that by pandering to Dutch prejudices and putting Muslims on the defensive, she contributes to the very Islamic radicalization she claims to want to stop. In a book rushed into print in February, the popular historian Geert Mak went so far as to compare Submission to Joseph Goebbels's infamous Nazi propaganda film The Eternal Jew. He warned that the Netherlands could be on the road to civil war. "When the time comes for us to tell our grandchildren, how will we tell the story of the last months of 2004?" Mak asked breathlessly. "The tone, the new tone that suddenly had taken hold? Where did it all begin?"

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: europeanmuslims; netherlands
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Storhaug says that to dry up radical Islam, European governments need to break up the "parallel societies" Muslims have established in cities across the continent. Older men in these communities prevent integration by controlling marriages. "The families are under tremendous pressure to bring relatives from the home country to Europe," she said. "Relatives are willing to pay a lot for those residency visas. Especially with young immigrant brides, they become completely dependent on their husbands and in-laws. Young women who are born in Norway are forced to marry cousins who can then come to this country." She says that in the ninety such forced marriages her group studied, all but three of the brides said they had been raped.

1 posted on 06/10/2005 10:01:22 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
>>>Storhaug says that to dry up radical Islam, ....

To "dry up" radical Islam will take a great deal of heat. Very, very hot heat!

Better to start now, than wait. The longer we wait the longer we will all suffer from the "heat"!

2 posted on 06/10/2005 10:09:11 PM PDT by HardStarboard (With Lebanon simmering, Iran on medium-high, whose next? I vote Syria....lets turn up the heat!)
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To: quidnunc
I do vaguely remember that the Dutch and Moors fought once before in history and the Moors came out on the short messy end of the stick.
3 posted on 06/10/2005 10:22:41 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: quidnunc

From "Submission".

If you want to see this film mail me for the link.

4 posted on 06/10/2005 11:01:06 PM PDT by Critical Bill ("Allah is on our side. That is why we will beat the aggressor." ...Saddam Hussein)
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5 posted on 06/10/2005 11:03:23 PM PDT by Critical Bill ("Allah is on our side. That is why we will beat the aggressor." ...Saddam Hussein)
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To: quidnunc

The Dutch voted down becoming part of the "EU."
The Dutch want to remain Dutch.
Can you blame them?


6 posted on 06/11/2005 1:45:34 AM PDT by XR7
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To: Critical Bill

Human Rights Service - Finally a human rights group actually deserving of its name.

"Her group, Human Rights Service, is giving Hirsi Ali its "Bellwether of Europe" prize this month. "I think she is doing a great service to democracy and the future, because Islamism is the biggest threat to democracy and to Europe," she said. "


7 posted on 06/11/2005 7:36:59 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: quidnunc

BTW. thanks for the post. Interesting article.


8 posted on 06/11/2005 7:37:38 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: quidnunc

A study in Foreign Affairs Quarterly two years ago cited the practice of turks in Germany of acquiring un-westernized brides from home rather than a turkish girl already exposed to the culture.


9 posted on 06/11/2005 7:41:42 AM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: quidnunc

great post. thanks


10 posted on 06/11/2005 7:52:36 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: quidnunc
the popular historian Geert Mak went so far as to compare Submission to Joseph Goebbels's infamous Nazi propaganda film The Eternal Jew. He warned that the Netherlands could be on the road to civil war. "When the time comes for us to tell our grandchildren, how will we tell the story of the last months of 2004?" Mak asked breathlessly. "The tone, the new tone that suddenly had taken hold? Where did it all begin?"

There is no Muslim-Dutch culture war, there is only creatures like Geert Mak committing genocide against his own people. It is incredible that an individual who is actively supporting what amounts to racist colonialist genocide against his own nation has the nerve to call anyone a Nazi. The bottom line is that Mak's policies and beliefs will lead to the destruction of the Dutch people, culture and nation as surely as Poland would have been destroyed had the Nazis won the war. In fact, Holland would be far better off being controlled by Nazi Germany than by people like Geert Mak, as far as I know the Nazis had no plan to exterminate the Dutch.

11 posted on 06/11/2005 10:05:28 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: quidnunc

Instead of 'radicalizing', 'offending' or 'outraging' the enemy - kill them.


12 posted on 06/11/2005 10:38:17 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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BTTT


13 posted on 06/11/2005 10:41:52 AM PDT by moehoward
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Let me call attention to a sentence in the later part of the article:

Conservative Muslims are not the only religious group here opposed to what they see as sexual license; it's their opposition to Israel and US foreign policy, not their sexual politics, that sets American Muslims apart from the rest of the right.

Deborah Scroggins would have us believe that opposing abortion and defending marriage is the same as sanctioning sexual slavery, rape, and murder for 'honor'.

14 posted on 06/11/2005 1:12:18 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: quidnunc

This is a very brave woman. I fear for her.


15 posted on 06/11/2005 3:19:52 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: quidnunc

She should run for Prime Minister.


16 posted on 06/11/2005 3:56:06 PM PDT by Betaille
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