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America's Most Dangerous Gang
POLICE magazine ^ | Shelly Feuer Domash

Posted on 06/11/2005 8:54:12 AM PDT by Calpernia

America's Most Dangerous Gang

Spreading from El Salvador to L.A. and across the United States, Mara Salvatrucha 13 is increasingly well organized and deadly.

Within one hour, two people were found murdered miles apart in suburban Nassau County, N.Y. After an intensive investigation, police officials learned the murders were the work of the violent street gang Mara Salvatrucha 13. It also soon became apparent the gang was sending a bold message to its members and associates. That message: “If you are not loyal, you are dead.”

But there was another message in the brutal slayings for the people of Long Island. And that message was that gang violence had moved into the upper middle class enclaves of the Island, into the kinds of communities where the locals assume that crime is somebody else’s problem.

Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS-13) is unfortunately becoming everybody’s problem. This plague that came to Long Island from El Salvador by way of the streets of Los Angeles follows the same migratory patterns as the Salvadoran immigrant community that it preys upon, fanning out across the United States from ethnic enclaves in California.

Coming Together

Until recently, MS-13 wasn’t that big a player in East Coast gang culture. The reason for its weak position in the East Coast crime world was obvious: It wasn’t very well organized. MS-13 was comprised of a group of cliques that operated independently of each other.

No more. Law enforcement officials now report that gang members from across the country have come together to unite affiliated groups up and down the East Coast. The leadership for these cliques is now coming from as far away as California and even from El Salvador.

Robert Hart, senior agent in charge with the FBI, says that when individual groups of MS-13 unite, the results can be devastating. “The cliques, instead of operating independently of each other, are beginning to come together,” Hart explains. “The difference is by doing that, obviously you have a much tighter organization, much stronger structures and, instead of having various cliques doing whatever they want, wherever they want, there is one individual who is the leader and is able to control the payment of dues and the criminal acts they engage in. The result is very, very similar to what you would see in what we refer to as traditional organized criminal families.”

Finding Sanctuary

Los Angeles and New York law enforcement and even politicians are aware of the impact of MS-13 on their streets and on their crime statistics. So they’ve taken action. The results are usually not stellar, but at least these cities have recognized that MS-13 is a problem. Unfortunately, the leadership of MS-13 is not stupid. Once the heat comes down hard in L.A. and New York, they head for new turf, choosing Midwestern and Southern and suburban cities where gangs “are not an issue” and local officials and authorities are in denial.

And once MS-13 takes hold in a community, it grows fast. The gang reportedly has some 300 members in suburban Long Island. A few years back it didn’t have any.

Once MS-13 shows up on the radar, some local officials and authorities will take action. In Nassau County, for example, a joint gang task force headed by the FBI and comprised of local police departments, has arrested 16 leaders of MS-13. They were charged with two murders, assault, conspiracy, and firearms violations.

Such investigations aren’t easy because MS-13 has a pretty strident zero-tolerance policy toward anyone who informs the cops of their activities.

Court papers reveal that one of the Nassau County defendants was captured in a secretly recorded telephone conversation detailing how he killed a male victim because he had provided law enforcement officials with information and that he had “put one in his chest and three in the head.” In another recorded conversation, a second defendant said he killed a young female because, in part, she had also provided information to law enforcement.

Fighting Back

The senseless violence of MS-13 has shocked the local citizens of Nassau County, so the Nassau County Executive appointed a “gang czar” to deal with the increasing gang problem.

A seasoned, dedicated officer, the new “czar,” in reality, will find it difficult to accomplish what he has been mandated to do. His department, like many across the nation, is at its lowest staffing levels in recent history, and he has been given no additional personnel or resources to combat the problem. The public was placated by the appointment, but while politicians put Band-Aids on deep cuts, the problem continues to escalate on Long Island.

And Long Island is not alone. Nationally, police departments are dealing with the surge in violence emanating from MS-13 members.

In Charlotte, N.C., 53 gang members were arrested as part of Operation Fed Up, which targeted MS-13 members. Officials in the medium-sized Southern city say MS-13 has been involved in at least 11 murders in the Charlotte area since 2000. And with a membership estimated at 200, MS-13 is by far Charlotte’s largest gang.

Some 400 miles north of Charlotte, the northern Virginia and southern Maryland communities around Washington, D.C., have become MS-13 turf. Local authorities estimate that there are between 5,000 and 6,000 MS-13 members in the metropolitan area.

And where MS-13 goes, violence follows. In July 2003, an 18-year-old federal witness was stabbed to death; last May, a 16-year-old boy had his hands almost completely chopped off with a machete; and a week later a 17-year-old was shot and murdered. All three crimes were tied to MS-13 members.

The rapid increase in MS-13 activity along the corridor between Charlotte and D.C. is simply explained by Det. Tim Jolly, a gang specialist with the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department. The area has the nation’s second highest population of Salvadoran immigrants.

Gang of Chameleons

One of the more unusual aspects of MS-13 when compared to other street gangs is that it is extremely flexible in its activity. While some gangs are only into drugs, MS-13 will do any crime at any time.

Sgt. George Norris, supervisor of the gang unit in the Prince George’s County (Md.) Police Department, says MS-13 doesn’t sling drugs in his jurisdiction. “We see mostly citizen robberies, auto theft, shootings and cuttings, and homicides,” he says, adding that drug sales by MS-13 may be just a matter of time.

Violent and Vicious

When MS-13 moves into a new community it tends to announce its presence with violence. The same can be true when a new leader takes over the local cliques.

Norris says gang members from other areas had once been able to join the new gang by simply being “jumped in.” But now that new leaders have moved into Prince George’s County and consolidated the cliques, the gang’s local culture has become more violent and vicious.

“According to one of our informers, things have changed,” says Norris. “Now in order to get your letters or clique [symbols] tattooed on you, you have to also put in some violent act to show your commitment.”

Cop Killers

And MS-13 violence is not restricted to civilians, rival gang members, and clique traitors; the gang will go after cops. Threats against police officers, known to gang members as “green light” notices, have increased so much in the past few years that the Virginia Gang Association has warned officers in Virginia and states to the north and south to be wary of MS-13 members.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg’s Jolly says he is aware of the threats against police officers in his community and in Virginia. Prince George’s County’s Norris says he’s heard them, too. “If you do something to them, their natural response is, ‘OK, I’m going to kill you,’” he says. “Or at least they talk like they will.”

Norris dismisses some of MS-13’s threats, but that doesn’t mean that officers should take all MS-13 threats lightly. The gang is extremely violent and it has attacked and will continue to attack anyone who gets in its way. That includes law enforcement officers.

Roots of Evil

Named for La Mara, a street in San Salvador, and the Salvatrucha guerillas who fought in El Salvador’s bloody civil war, Mara Salvatrucha 13 was organized in Los Angeles in the late ’80s. At first, the gang’s primary purpose was to defend Salvadoran immigrants from being preyed upon by other L.A. street gangs.

But like any other street gang that was created to defend a particular ethnic group, MS-13 was quickly perverted until its primary purpose was preying upon the Salvadoran community. It also violently defends its turf against any other gang that might seek to slice away a piece of its action.

Gang members sometimes wear blue and white, colors taken from the national flag of El Salvador. They can also sport numerous body and even face tattoos. However, some members are much less visible and therefore much more dangerous.

Recent reports indicate that MS-13 has expanded from California to Alaska, Oregon, Utah, Texas, Nevada, Oklahoma, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia, Washington, D.C., and Florida. The gang has also been exported back to Central America.

Back Home

It’s estimated that there are 36,000 MS-13 members in Honduras alone. In Honduras, according to a March 2004 report prepared by the Washington, D.C.-based, right-wing think tank the Maldon Institute, MS-13 has, with increasing frequency, resorted to leaving a dismembered corpse, complete with a decapitated head, as a calling card. Recently, according to the report, such a grisly message was left with a note for the Honduran president.

The note is supposed to have stated the gang’s displeasure with an August 2003 law that made it illegal to be a part of a gang. Under Honduran law gang leaders can be sentenced to prison for up to 12 years and rank-and-file members from six to nine years, just for being in the gang. A gang member can be arrested for simply having a tattoo.

El Salvador has also launched a crackdown on MS-13. A police offensive called “Operation Strong-arm” has resulted in the arrest of more than 4,000 gang members.

For MS-13, these are small losses. The gang is nothing if not mobile. When it feels heat in the U.S., it moves to another state. When it feels heat in El Salvador and Honduras, it sets up operations in Mexico.

The Maldon Institute report indicates that MS-13 “appears to be in control of much of the Mexican border and, in addition to its smuggling and contraband rackets, the gang collects money from illegal immigrants that it helps [move] across the border into the United States.”

The ultra-conservative Maldon Institute is known for doomsday predictions when it comes to the U.S.-Mexico border. But there can be no denial that MS-13 is very active in smuggling people, drugs, and guns across the border. And independent reports indicate that many illegal immigrants have been assaulted, robbed, and even raped by MS-13 members.

Mexico is now taking steps to fight back against MS-13. In December, Mexican authorities arrested 224 gang members in response to what they called a threat to national security. Among the arrests were members of MS-13 who were charged with trafficking in drugs and firearms across Mexico and Central America.

Illusion of Cooperation

While some of the Central American countries appear to be cracking down on MS-13, serious problems still exist. And they are being missed by politically correct reporters who want to tout U.S.-Latin American cooperation.

For example, on Long Island, the media was quick to cover an agreement between El Salvador and Suffolk County to share information on MS-13. What the local reporters didn’t cover was a much more serious issue. If these gang members commit serious offenses, they can return home, and there is no extradition agreement. And, of course, they are doing so in increasing numbers.

“I would say that between Honduras and El Salvador, there are seven or eight people we are seeking to take into custody,” says Lt. Dennis Farrell, head homicide investigator for the Nassau County Police Department. “Proportionally, if you take that across the country, the numbers are astronomical, the number of people who have probably fled to these two countries.”

Farrell says that two gang members who his detectives are looking to arrest for two separate murders are now living in the same town in El Salvador. He calls the situation extremely frustrating. “You undertake a very in-depth and comprehensive investigation, pursue all possible leads, build a case, essentially conduct a successful investigation, only to have it thwarted by the fact that after having identified the killer or killers, you are unable, under the present international agreements, to return them to Nassau County to face murder charges.

“Even more than that frustration, how about the injustice and sense of desperation on the part of families who have lost loved ones? Where is the measure of justice? There is really no justice for those families, and absent some reworked or new initiative between our state department and those sovereign states, I don’t see any change in this condition in the foreseeable future,” Farrell adds.

In addition to extradition treaties, many gang investigators believe stricter and more uniform laws are needed here in this country. According to Charlotte-Mecklenburg’s Jolly, one of the reasons MS-13 has migrated to the East Coast is the strict anti-gang laws on the West Coast. He also believes that, with the stricter gang laws in Central America, many MS-13 members may be coming back to the United States illegally.

Long Arms

With the number of MS-13 members growing nationwide (some cliques now even accept non-Hispanic members), and the violence escalating, the future for law enforcement appears grim.

“They adapt to what the police do,” says Prince George’s County’s Norris. “They will change the way they operate, depending on the way things are enforced by the police. If there is no enforcement, they will wear their colors and bandanas because in the communities they are in it is common knowledge and the people fear them, so it is a form of intimidation.

“Once the police recognize and confront them, they will change and wear different colors from the blue and white, no bandana on their head, maybe now in their pocket, and instead of the number 13 they will wear 67 or 76 because it equals 13. They adapt so it is a continually evolving thing.”

While the nation focuses on terrorism, the issue of gang violence has taken a lower priority. But to many, the violent acts of MS-13 members are more of an everyday threat that is being overlooked.


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Mara Salvatrucha

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In the early 1980s, a violent civil war began in El Salvador which would last more than 12 years. Approximately 100,000 people were killed in the war, and more than one million people fled from El Salvador to the U.S. The Salvadorian refugees and immigrants initially settled primarily in southern California and Washington, D.C.

Some of the refugees and immigrants had ties with 'La Mara', a violent street gang from El Salvador. Others had been members of paramilitary groups like the Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front (FMNL) during the civil war. FMNL was made up of Salvadorian peasants who were trained as guerilla fighters. Many were adept at using explosives, firearms, and booby traps.

Most of the Salvadorian refugees settled in the established Hispanic neighborhoods of the "Rampart" area of Los Angeles. However, Salvadorians were not readily accepted into the Los Angeles Hispanic community, and were frequently targeted by local Hispanic gangs. As a result, in the late 1980s, some refugees and refugee members of La Mara and FMNL formed what is now known as the Mara Salvatrucha (MS) street gang in Los Angeles. Like many other street gangs, MS initially formed for protection, but quickly developed a reputation for being organized and extremely violent. MS membership continues to be fed by refugees from groups like FMNL.

Since its inception in California and Washington, DC, Mara Salvatrucha has expanded into Oregon, Alaska, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Oklahoma, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia, Florida, Canada, and Mexico. MS is unique in that, unlike traditional U.S. street gangs, it maintains active ties with MS members and factions in El Salvador. Mara Salvatrucha is literally an international gang.

Mara Salvatrucha gang members maintain contact between groups in the United States and El Salvador for several specific reasons. In El Salvador, a hand grenade sells for $1.00-$2.00 U.S. currency and an M-16 rifle will sell for approximately $200.00-$220.00 U.S. dollars. This communication and alliance provides a mechanism for MS gang members to access military-style munitions and also establishes a network to traffic illegal firearms into the United States.

Although military weapons seem to be readily available to this gang, street intelligence indicates they often have difficulty obtaining handguns, which are not readily available in El Salvador. This creates a demand for small arms by MS members in the U.S. and El Salvador. This demand is so high that MS members will often take handguns as payment for drug transactions. The guns are then sent back to El Salvador, or used in the United States.

MS is also involved in exporting stolen U.S. cars to South America. The cars are often traded for drugs when dealing with cartels. It is estimated that 80% of the cars driven in El Salvador were stolen in the United States. Car theft is a lucrative business for MS.

The Mara Salvatrucha gang is involved in a variety of criminal enterprises. As with members of other gangs, MS members seem willing to commit almost any crime, but MS gang members tend to have a higher level of criminal involvement than other gang members. MS members have been involved in burglaries, auto thefts, narcotic sales, home invasion robberies, weapons smuggling, car jacking, extortion, murder, rape, witness intimidation, illegal firearm sales, car theft and aggravated assaults. In terms of drug trafficking activities, common drugs sold by MS members include cocaine, marijuana, heroin, and methamphetamine. Mara Salvatrucha gang members have even placed a “tax” on prostitutes and non-gang member drug dealers who are working in MS "turf." Failure to pay up will most likely result in violence.

Originally, only Salvadorians could become members of Mara Salvatrucha. However, MS now includes members from Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Mexico. Mara Salvatrucha also has a few African-American members. MS has broken the race barrier for membership, but most new members are still selected because of their ethnic (Central American) background. The majority of MS gang members are between the ages of 11 and 40 years old.

Mara Salvatrucha members identify themselves with tattoos such as the number “13," or trece in Spanish. MS gang members will also use the Spanish word sureño, meaning "southerner" to identify themselves. Sometimes sureño is abbreviated to SUR. These terms make reference to the fact that MS gang members like to claim they are from southern California as opposed to northern California, and are rivals with northern California gangs. Often, this rivalry is taken outside the state of California. Additionally, Mara Salvatrucha gang members have several ongoing rivalries with large southern California gangs, including the 18th Street gang, and in California, commonly attack 18th Street gang members on sight. There are many Hispanic gangs, including MS, which use the number “13," and the terms sureno and SUR as identifiers, including street/prison gangs outside of California. Thus, it is important to identify specific tattoos used by the Mara Salvatrucha gang, which include “M” or “MS,” in addition to the 13 or SUR identification. Another common tattoo seen is “Salvadorian Pride.” There is also a good chance that the member will also have the name of his particular clique tattooed on his/her body. Other tattoos encountered with MS members have included pentagrams and other occult symbols. These can be confusing when found in conjunction with gang tattoos and can cause misconceptions of Satanic involvement by the gang. The most common hand sign used by MS members is the letter M formed by using three fingers and pointing the hand downward. This handsign can resemble the pitchfork sign used by Folk/People Nation gangs from the Midwest, and can be made with the fingers pointing up or down. The symbols used as tattoos are also used in graffiti and personal writings.

In general, Mara Salvatrucha members show no fear of law enforcement. They are not easily intimidated and frequently act defiantly. Mara Salvaltrucha gang members have been responsible for the execution of three federal agents and numerous shootings of law enforcement officers across the country. MS gang members have been known to booby-trap their drug stash houses using antipersonnel grenades on the assumption that these structures will be searched by law enforcement. MS members at one time often bragged of assaulting law enforcement officers as a means of showing their loyalty and commitment to the gang. However, these claims have never been confirmed. Today, assaults on law enforcement officers are not required for membership, but are always an option. Thus, officers dealing with MS members (or any street gang members, for that matter) should always use extreme caution.

Law enforcement and the courts have used two primary methods to deal with criminal activity by MS: arrest/incarceration and deportation. Between April 1994 and August 1995, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) arrested and deported more than 100 MS gang members to El Salvador. Many Mara Salvatrucha gang members are currently in the United States illegally and are concerned about deportation. If a gang member is deported to El Salvador, there is a chance they will be targeted by the Sombra Negra (Black Shadow) death squad. Sombra Negra and similar groups are legendary in Central America. Gangsters and citizens alike believe that the Sombra Negra is made up of rogue cops and military personnel who target unwanted criminals and gang members for vigilante "justice." While the presence of these death squads is officially denied by the governments of Central American countries, many MS members in the U.S. believe these groups exist, and fear that they will be targeted after being deported. Honduran MS gang members have the same fear. Sombra Negra has claimed responsibility for the deaths of several MS gang members in El Salvador. The existence or belief in the existence of these death squads could also be a chief motivation for hardcore MS gang members to come to the United States.

1 posted on 06/11/2005 8:54:12 AM PDT by Calpernia
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To: Calpernia

From the title I thought it was about the State Department.


2 posted on 06/11/2005 8:54:52 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: Calpernia

ah...can't we all get along? (/s)


3 posted on 06/11/2005 8:56:07 AM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

Davey Crockett and Nw_arizona_granny found this excellent article on WHAT is coming over our borders. Pretty scary stuff.


4 posted on 06/11/2005 8:56:18 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: TheOtherOne

That was funny. ^-^


5 posted on 06/11/2005 8:56:50 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for the post.


6 posted on 06/11/2005 8:57:55 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: Calpernia

capture them, send them to army recruiting, and then post them in the middle east.

sorta new french legion. they sent their riff-raff to africa.


7 posted on 06/11/2005 8:58:20 AM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: TheOtherOne
From the title I thought it was about the State Department.

I thought it was about the Senate's new "gang of 14."

8 posted on 06/11/2005 8:59:30 AM PDT by MARK4
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To: Calpernia
Why Bush refuses to stop illegal immigration is something I cannot fathom. I hate to move into the conspiracy, tin foil hat arena, but Bush must have some ulterior motive.
9 posted on 06/11/2005 8:59:56 AM PDT by Founding Father ( Republicans control the Oval Office, Senate and House, but still can't govern.)
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To: Calpernia

"The senseless violence of MS-13 has shocked the local citizens of Nassau County, so the Nassau County Executive appointed a “gang czar” to deal with the increasing gang problem."

Okay, yeah, you can call yourself a gang czar. Just make sure you shoot to kill.


10 posted on 06/11/2005 9:00:37 AM PDT by John Robertson
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To: ken21

They are only committing crimes Americans are not willing to committ themselves.


11 posted on 06/11/2005 9:01:35 AM PDT by ABN 505
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To: ABN 505

those lazy gringos!


12 posted on 06/11/2005 9:04:21 AM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: TheOtherOne
Liberals would have us believe that the Third World proletariat is, by definition, more moral than the bourgeoise. Why? The standard liberal response is simply because they've suffered historical "wrongs" at the hands of the West.

In other words, suffering makes divine. And the secular divinity of the proletariat excuses any crime, any pathology.

13 posted on 06/11/2005 9:05:43 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: MARK4; TheOtherOne

The Other One has been One upped!


14 posted on 06/11/2005 9:05:48 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
MS13 also has a branch in Boston, according to the Boston Herald a few months back.

Unless the federals pursue them here they are on safe ground; seeing as our Attorney General (and next governor) Tom Riely does not turn over anyone to the INS for deportation.
15 posted on 06/11/2005 9:07:17 AM PDT by mmercier (Billy Pilgrim sh*t thin gruel)
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To: Calpernia
The senseless violence of MS-13 has shocked the local citizens of Nassau County, so the Nassau County Executive appointed a “gang czar” to deal with the increasing gang problem.

Someone is just not getting it.

Brutal, vicious, but not senseless. It has a definite purpose. To initmidate, eliminate, and establish the gang as top dog on that turf. It establishes every wearer of the tattoo as someone 'not to be messed with'.

So don't mess with them.

Find the tat, shoot the rat.

16 posted on 06/11/2005 9:09:00 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Founding Father

>>>Why Bush refuses to stop illegal immigration is something I cannot fathom.

OPINION

I've noticed more and more articles coming out on border patrol who take bribes and businesses that employ the illegals have been getting raided.

THEORY

Maybe the people that take pay offs that allow the illegal network passage and hosting needs to be stopped first? Catch the facilitors in the act of taking payoffs than control the borders more?


17 posted on 06/11/2005 9:09:05 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

nassau county appoints a gang czar problem solved
in reality the cops in nassau county have let this and other gangs free run on their turf
they know who and where they are and nothing is done about it
it is a big problem in middle and high schools and it is not confined to just to the less affluent school districts


18 posted on 06/11/2005 9:10:59 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: Calpernia; gubamyster; HiJinx; shellshocked
We must respect the cultural traditions of all of our new immigrants.

Diversity is our strength, what difference does technical documentation status make?

Besides, the MS-13 are only coming to do the rapes and murders Americans are too lazy to do.


19 posted on 06/11/2005 9:12:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Straight Vermonter

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1314357/posts

Eastie gang linked to al-Qaeda
Boston Herald ^ | January 5, 2005 | Michele McPhee

Posted on 01/05/2005 7:01:55 AM EST by Straight Vermonter

A burgeoning East Boston-based street gang made up of alleged rapists and machete-wielding robbers has been linked to the al-Qaeda terrorist network, prompting Boston police to ``turn up the heat'' on its members, the Herald has learned.

MS-13, which stands for La Mara Salvatrucha, is an extremely violent organization with roots in El Salvador, and boasts more than 100 ``hardcore members'' in East Boston who are suspected of brutal machete attacks, rapes and home invasions. There are hundreds more MS-13 gangsters in towns along the North Shore, said Boston police Sgt. Detective Joseph Fiandaca, who has investigated the gang since it began tagging buildings in Maverick Square in 1995.

In recent months, intelligence officials in Washington have warned national law enforcement agencies that al-Qaeda terrorists have been spotted with members of MS-13 in El Salvador, prompting concerns the gang may be smuggling Islamic fundamentalist terrorists into the country. Law enforcement officials have long believed that MS-13 controls alien smuggling routes along Mexico. The warning is being taken seriously in East Boston, where Raed Hijazi, an al-Qaeda operative charged with training the suicide bombers in the attack on the USS Cole, lived and worked, prosecutors have charged.

Also, the commercial jets that hurtled into the World Trade Center towers in New York City were hijacked from Logan International Airport.

``The terrorist aspect, especially when you think in terms of 9/11 and how intent these terrorists are, will turn the heat up on our efforts with MS-13,'' Fiandaca said. MS-13 members congregate near the Maverick Square train station sporting white and blue bandannas, their skin inked with spider webs and ``laugh now, cry later'' clown faces.


``MS-13 is the most dangerous gang in the area,'' Fiandaca said. ``They are big. They are mobile. Now they have a terrorist connection.''

The theory that Salvadoran criminals manage to smuggle people over the border was bolstered this month when two Boston men described as MS-13 leaders were spotted on the North Shore days before Christmas - a year after they were deported by Boston Homeland Security Immigration and Customs Enforcement investigators for gang-related crimes.

One of the two men, Elmer ``Tiger'' Tejada, 24, who had been deported after being convicted of a slew of crimes, including attempted murder charges for hurling a machete at Chelsea cops, was busted in Lynn on New Year's Day. Tejada is described as ``an original MS-13 member'' from East Boston, sources said.

A manhunt has been launched for the second fugitive, who is in the country illegally, Boston police said.

The growing number of MS-13 members, and the degree of violence the gang engages in, prompted investigators from 14 local and national agencies to form the North Shore Gang Intelligence task force in 2000, Fiandaca said.

Among the most notorious local crimes attributed to MS-13 was the gang rape of two deaf girls, one 14, the other 17, in a Somerville park in 2002. Three MS-13 gang members were charged in the brutal rapes, during which one victim was knocked from her wheelchair before the assault.


20 posted on 06/11/2005 9:14:41 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
I certainly agree that bribe taking border agents and those that hire illegals should be proseuted, but that is no reason to let the invasion continue today, tomorrow and the day after.
21 posted on 06/11/2005 9:16:56 AM PDT by Founding Father ( Republicans control the Oval Office, Senate and House, but still can't govern.)
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To: Calpernia

Prison Gangs - Sgt. Bill Valentine (Ret)
Al-Qaeda and Prison Inmates
MARA SALVATRUCHA–MS 13

President George Bush glossed over the issue of immigration during his State of the Nation speech Wednesday night, barely touching on the subject. Yet weeks prior to giving the speech, he had, on occasion, floated trial balloons suggesting we pass legislation granting legal status to millions of illegal aliens here who have blatantly broken our laws in sneaking into this country, most of whom are from Mexico. “It’s a compassionate way to treat people who come to our country,” he said during a news conference in January, “It recognizes the reality of the world in which we live There are some people...there are some jobs in America that Americans won’t do and others are willing to do.”

It seems he is not giving much thought to the impact on our schools, hospitals, the job market, law enforcement and prisons, these aliens are creating. He will though, because organized opposition from the House Republicans is gaining momentum. With the new Congress commencing, key Republicans indicate they will push legislation to tighten the Mexican border near San Diego and to introduce legislation prohibiting states from issuing driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants.

When we first invaded Iraq, in a news conference he said of other countries, “You are either for us or against us.” Oil rich Mexico refused to help us, so by his reasoning, that country was against us. Yet now, he continues to pander to Vicente Fox. Why?

What drives President Bush? Is he poll-driven like Bill Clinton? Possibly, but now in his second term he is unable to run for President again, and it seems he will spend much of his current term dealing with Iraq. And across the border, Iran looming on the horizon, may become an even bigger headache. Iran, a cauldron of terrorism and hate, will surely succeed in developing nuclear weapons while he is still in office.

President Bush should reflect back to March, 2001, when he granted “temporary protected status” to as many as 300,000 illegal immigrants from El Salvador, many of whom were hardened veterans of that country’s civil war, a war that raged for 12 years, and ended in1992. That bloody war pitted government troops against leftists guerillas, and incurred in excess of 100,000 casualties, along with sending hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing northward. A large percentage of these refugees that had fought in their homeland, and who had been trained by U.S. Army advisers in El Salvador on the finer aspects of explosives, weaponry, infiltration and warfare, made it into the U.S. And in so doing, became the nucleus of a new formidable street gang, now pervasive throughout the United States.

With the arrival of the first wave of these people in Los Angeles, the area of Rampart Division became the first stop. At that time, Rampart was the home base of the violent Eighteenth Street gang. The newcomers who had been part of the bloody civil war in their homeland, were quick to seize upon the opportunities afforded them in their new home. After all, doesn’t everyone come here to make a better life? We keep hearing that from the politicians.

Many of the Salvadorans jumped in with the Eighteenth Street gang, but the majority of them decided to form their own street gang limiting membership to Salvadorans only. Thus, Mara Salvatrucha was born. The name “Mara Salvatrucha–13,” breaks down into: “Mara” which is equivalent to “barrio, or neighborhood as used by U.S. Hispanic gangs, “Salva” refers to El Salvador, and “trucha” translates into “beware of.” The “13,” only denotes their preference in claiming southern Hispanic, as opposed to 14, which denotes northern Hispanic allegiance.

“Beware of the Salvadorans.” Many people, including the police were soon to realize this. The MS-13 took to street crime like a duck to water. Drugs, weapons, robbery and burglary, witness intimidation, extortion, car jackings, became commonplace with them, as did rape, arson, murder-for-hire, and bloody gang fighting for control of turf.

The MS-13 soon took on their own identity, and earned a reputation from the other street gangs as being a particularly unmerciful gang which would retaliate violently when challenged. After establishing themselves in L.A., they set up beach heads in other large cities, the first being Washington D.C., followed by New York City. Today, many of our major cities has an MS-13 chapter.

In L.A., the MS-13 was cutting into the profits of long established Hispanic gangs. Gang meetings were held to decide how best to deal with the Salvadorans. A showdown was inevitable, and it happened on a balmy afternoon in a park frequented by MS-13 members and family who were having a picnic and drinking beer. Many of the other picnickers were Mexican American gang members. The Salvadorans decided to deride the other gang members by burning a Mexican flag they picked up.

The Maravilla, a pervasive L.A. based street gang that dates back to the 1920s, and which has about a dozen chapters were among those in attendance. Fights broke out, and Maravilla declared war on MS-13, as did the burgeoning Eighteenth Street gang. The long established Mexican Mafia got into the fray and subsequently demanded a 10% tax from MS-13 on all profits they gained from street crime. The Salvadorans told La eMe to go to hell. For the next year, the MS-13 fought a defensive battle against the others, but did not back down.

Their resolve so impressed La eMe, that a truce was called. Secret meetings were held between the two gangs. It was agreed that the Salvadorans would sell drugs and weapons for La eMe, and provide muscle and tax collectors. But the Maravilla, who would not call off the war, and who resented La eMe’s pact with MS-13, also refused to pay taxes. This became contentious with La eMe, who put out the green light on Maravilla. Today, in Los Angeles where Maravilla is entrenched, graffiti is splashed around proclaiming Maravilla is “TAX FREE.”

The MS-13 and Maravilla continued to wage war. Fighting between the two groups broke out in other cities where they had a presence, including Reno. In Reno, on August 13, 1995, Juan Mauricio Castillo, A.K.A. “Little Boy,” age 15, who was identified as an MS-13 gang member, fired a .380 pistol in the direction of rival Maravilla gang members who had gathered at Horseman’s Park to play soccer. Tragically, his aim was poor and the rounds went past them and struck a 12 year old girl in the head killing her.

At trial, Little Boy who had turned 16, was hammered with two life terms running wild. As of this writing he is confined at Ely state prison, resting well we hope.

THE AL-QAEDA CONNECTION

Across the nation, in Boston, the MS-13 are reported to have over 100 hard-core members who are active in violent street crime and home invasions. On these sorties it is reported they carry razor sharp machetes along with firearms. In 2002, in a Somerville park, three of the Salvadoran gang members were charged with the bloody rape of two local deaf girls, ages 14, and 17. One of the girls was kicked out of her wheel chair prior to the assault.

More ominous, are reports that link MS-13 with al-Qaeda terrorist organizations. Intelligence sources in Washington have alerted Boston area authorities that al-Qaeda terrorists under surveillance in El Salvador have been seen meeting with local Mara Salvatrucha leadership in that country. This gives rise to the suspicion that the Salvadorans may be smuggling Islamic fundamentalist terrorists into the U.S. They have the established alien smuggling routes through Mexico, and the ability to do so.

Boston police have reported that two MS-13 leaders whom they deported back to El Salvador a year ago, have again surfaced in Boston, where they were spotted recently on the North Shore. One of the men, Elmer “Tiger” Tejada, was initially deported after a crime spree which included charges of attempted murder of a police officer when he hurled a machete at Chelsea police.

The Boston police continue to track this al-Qaeda connection. Raed Hijazi, an American born in the Bay area, and a one time student at Sacramento City College, is alleged to have ties with al-Qaeda. Hijazi at one time drove a cab in Boston and is alleged to have sent money he earned to a terrorist cell in the Middle East. After he left the U.S. he was charged with training the suicide bombers that attacked the USS Cole.

He was next heard of in October, 2000, when Syrian authorities arrested him in Damascus and turned him over to the Jordanians. Jordan had charged him with conspiracy to commit mass murder by placing bombs in the Radisson Hotel in downtown Amman that was expected to be full of American tourists during the Millennium celebrations in 1999. In addition, he was charged with conspiracy to murder U.S. and Israeli citizens at two Christian Holy sites, and two border crossings into Israel. At trial, he was found guilty and sentenced to death by hanging. As of yet, this sentence has not been carried out.

The FBI has not revealed any connection between MS-13 and the al-Qaeda to the public. However many other reports do. In December of last year, an MS-13 gang member and a Muslim from Bangladesh were arrested crossing the Rio Grande together. This prompted Congressman Solomon Ortiz, (D-TX) co-chairman of the House border caucus, to state publicly that meetings between the two groups have taken place, and that the Mara Salvatrucha have a network for illegal entry into this country that stretches all the way from El Salvador to the U.S. border, and that they may already be smuggling terrorists into our country.

The Boston authorities who are tracking this connection, want to remind us all that the jets that were hijacked and became suicide bombers resulting in a loss of life of 3,000 innocent persons, were boarded by the terrorists at Logan International Airport, Boston.

Today, MS-13 are recruiting nationwide, and are not now limiting their membership to Salvadorans only. Other Hispanics are welcome if they can measure up to the ruthlessness of the Salvadorans. Identification of the Mara Salvatrucha gang members can be made by their tattoos. Though most of them carry generic gang tattoos, i.e., happy/sad faces; spider webs and the like, the tattoo that connects them to the gang is the “M S 13.” When confronted, the gang member may try to say these initials stand for a girl friend, “Maria Sanchez,” for instance, but only uninformed law enforcement personnel would accept this.

BV http://www.nevadacorrections.org/gangs.html

22 posted on 06/11/2005 9:19:17 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Scary indeed!

From your piece - "MS-13 appears to be in control of much of the Mexican border."

23 posted on 06/11/2005 9:19:27 AM PDT by Humidston (Yo, Hitlary... BRING IT ON!)
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To: Founding Father

You need to stop looking for W's motives. People with the biggest bucks run Washington; it's always been so. Figure out how they'll make money from any given situation, and your head-scratching will end.


24 posted on 06/11/2005 9:19:40 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: Travis McGee; HiJinx
The Maldon Institute report indicates that MS-13 “appears to be in control of much of the Mexican border and, in addition to its smuggling and contraband rackets, the gang collects money from illegal immigrants that it helps [move] across the border into the United States.”

The ultra-conservative Maldon Institute is known for doomsday predictions when it comes to the U.S.-Mexico border. But there can be no denial that MS-13 is very active in smuggling people, drugs, and guns across the border. And independent reports indicate that many illegal immigrants have been assaulted, robbed, and even raped by MS-13 members.

Mexico is now taking steps to fight back against MS-13. In December, Mexican authorities arrested 224 gang members in response to what they called a threat to national security. Among the arrests were members of MS-13 who were charged with trafficking in drugs and firearms across Mexico and Central America.

25 posted on 06/11/2005 9:20:50 AM PDT by in the Arena (CAPT (USAF) James Wayne Herrick, Jr. (Call Sign: FireFly33). MIA Laos 27 Oct 69)
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To: Calpernia

While MS 13 is certainly a fearful bunch. IMO, the most dangerous gang in America are the democrats.


26 posted on 06/11/2005 9:21:56 AM PDT by Bullish (Proudly and consistently hating the Clinton's since 1992)
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To: Calpernia
In general, Mara Salvatrucha members show no fear of law enforcement. They are not easily intimidated and frequently act defiantly.

This is a fine kettle of fish our politicians are turning our country into through their greed and negligence.

If gangs like this aren't stopped by the police, Americans will eventually resort to their own system of justice and forget about the ineffective police and the flaccid courts. Don't forget, this is an armed country - a state of affairs which frightens Liberals and many politicians - but which is the last line of defense by ordinary citizens against this sort of ongoing outrage.

'Vigilante' is a word overused today by our hysterical politicians and their buddies in the media. But, there is a genuine meaning behind this word which has not yet been employed. There is a awful threat lurking out there because of our hopeless immigration policies and this article shows one of the hydra-heads involved in it. The end results of years of political neglect of our laws and people will ultimately be on the heads of our feckless ruling class who prefer to ignore this gathering storm.

If they don't get their hands around these problems and do it quickly, there will be nothing but deadly problems ahead for us all.

27 posted on 06/11/2005 9:23:12 AM PDT by Gritty ("The ACLU is the Taliban of American liberal secularism - Rees Lloy, former ACLU attorney)
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To: Founding Father; EdReform; Thinkin' Gal; mrflashrifle; dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; ...
Why Bush refuses to stop illegal immigration is something I cannot fathom. I hate to move into the conspiracy, tin foil hat arena, but Bush must have some ulterior motive.

Ahhhh isn't the open borders wonderful!  We are now living and sharing America with illegal Mexicans, Illegal Islams, Illegal Muslims and now this MS-13!

And the government wants to take OUR guns away.  What's wrong with this picture?!


28 posted on 06/11/2005 9:24:01 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Calpernia
Al Qaeda seeks tie to local gangs

This Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles flier shows Adnan G. El Shukrijumah, a Saudi national who may be plotting terrorist attacks as part of al-Qaida. By Jerry Seper THE WASHINGTON TIMES

A top al Qaeda lieutenant has met with leaders of a violent Salvadoran criminal gang with roots in Mexico and the United States — including a stronghold in the Washington area — in an effort by the terrorist network to seek help infiltrating the U.S.-Mexico border, law enforcement authorities said.

Adnan G. El Shukrijumah, a key al Qaeda cell leader for whom the U.S. government has offered a $5 million reward, was spotted in July in Honduras meeting with leaders of El Salvador's notorious Mara Salvatrucha gang, which immigration officials said has smuggled hundreds of Central and South Americans — mostly gang members — into the United States. Although they are actively involved in alien, drug and weapons smuggling, Mara Salvatrucha members in America also have been tied to numerous killings, robberies, burglaries, carjackings, extortions, rapes and aggravated assaults — including at least seven killings in Virginia and a machete attack on a 16-year-old in Alexandria that severely mutilated his hands. The Salvadoran gang, known to law enforcement authorities as MS-13 because many members identify themselves with tattoos of the number 13, is thought to have established a major smuggling center in Matamoros, Mexico, just south of Brownsville, Texas, from where it has arranged to bring illegal aliens from countries other than Mexico into the United States. Authorities said al Qaeda terrorists hope to take advantage of a lack of detention space within the Department of Homeland Security that has forced immigration officials to release non-Mexican illegal aliens back into the United States, rather than return them to their home countries. Less than 15 percent of those released appear for immigration hearings. Nearly 60,000 illegal aliens designated as other-than-Mexican, or OTMs, were detained last year along the U.S.-Mexico border.

El Shukrijumah, born in Saudi Arabia but thought to be a Yemen national, was spotted in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, in July, having crossed the border illegally from Nicaragua after a stay in Panama. U.S. authorities said al Qaeda operatives have been in Tegucigalpa planning attacks against British, Spanish and U.S. embassies. Known to carry passports from Saudi Arabia, Trinidad, Guyana and Canada, El Shukrijumah had sought meetings with the Mara Salvatrucha gang leaders who control alien-smuggling routes through Mexico and into the United States. El Shukrijumah, 29, who authorities said was in Canada last year looking for nuclear material for a so-called "dirty bomb" and reportedly has family members in Guyana, was named in a March 2003 material-witness arrest warrant by federal prosecutors in Northern Virginia, where U.S. Attorney Paul J. McNulty said he is sought in connection with potential terrorist threats against the United States. A former southern Florida resident and pilot thought to have helped plan the September 11 attacks, El Shukrijumah was among seven suspected al Qaeda operatives identified in May by Attorney General John Ashcroft as being involved in plans to strike new targets in the United States. Citing "credible intelligence from multiple sources," Mr. Ashcroft said at the time that El Shukrijumah posed "a clear and present danger to America."

In August, an FBI alert described him as "armed and dangerous" and a major threat to homeland security. Earlier this month, Mr. Ashcroft confirmed that U.S. border agents and inspectors had ramped up efforts to find El Shukrijumah amid reports that the al Qaeda leader was thought to be seeking entry routes into the United States along the U.S.-Mexico border. Mr. Ashcroft noted that increased enforcement efforts were under way in the wake of a rise of arrests of border jumpers from Afghanistan, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Pakistan, the Philippines, Saudi Arabia and Syria. Authorities said Mara Salvatrucha gang members moved into the Los Angeles area in the 1980s and developed a reputation for being organized and extremely violent. The gang since has expanded into the Washington area, including Virginia and Maryland, and into Oregon, Alaska, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Oklahoma, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Georgia and Florida. More than 3,000 Mara Salvatrucha gang members are thought to be in the Washington area, with a major operation in Northern Virginia. Other gang centers, authorities said, include Montgomery and Prince George's counties and the Hispanic neighborhoods of Washington. Mr. McNulty, whose office has prosecuted Mara Salvatrucha gang members, has described the organization as the "gang of greatest interest" to law enforcement authorities. He said gang members are recruited predominantly from Hispanic communities and typically among juveniles, some as young as 13. Recruits are "jumped" into the gang by being beaten by members while others count to 13, he said. Gang rules, he said, are indoctrinated into new recruits and ruthlessly enforced. Those who cooperate with law enforcement are given the "green light," he said, meaning that the gang had approved their killing. In March, the Los Angeles City Attorney's Office filed an injunction against Mara Salvatrucha, charging that the gang's criminal activity constituted a "public nuisance" based on the number of killings, robberies and drug crimes. The injunction requires gang members, under public nuisance statutes, to follow curfew rules and regulations and prohibits them from associating, driving or appearing together in designated areas of the city.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040928-123346-3928r.htm

29 posted on 06/11/2005 9:27:59 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
The Boston police continue to track this al-Qaeda connection. Raed Hijazi, an American born in the Bay area, and a one time student at Sacramento City College, is alleged to have ties with al-Qaeda. Hijazi at one time drove a cab in Boston and is alleged to have sent money he earned to a terrorist cell in the Middle East. After he left the U.S. he was charged with training the suicide bombers that attacked the USS Cole.

And here is this map to remind us again:


30 posted on 06/11/2005 9:28:14 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Bullish; warchild9; Founding Father
>>>>>>You need to stop looking for W's motives. People with the biggest bucks run Washington; it's always been so. Figure out how they'll make money from any given situation, and your head-scratching will end.

While MS 13 is certainly a fearful bunch. IMO, the most dangerous gang in America are the democrats.

31 posted on 06/11/2005 9:29:52 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Sgt. George Norris, supervisor of the gang unit in the Prince George’s County (Md.) Police Department, says MS-13 doesn’t sling drugs in his jurisdiction. “We see mostly citizen robberies, auto theft, shootings and cuttings, and homicides,” he says, adding that drug sales by MS-13 may be just a matter of time

<SARCASM>Gosh if they would just legalize robbery, auto theft, shooting, cuttings and homicides then gang activity would virtually go away. </SARCASM>

32 posted on 06/11/2005 9:30:03 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Calpernia
>>al Qaeda terrorists hope to take advantage of a lack of detention space within the Department of Homeland Security<<

They need to hire Sheriff Joe from AZ to build a Super Tent City for these animals.

33 posted on 06/11/2005 9:31:56 AM PDT by Humidston (Yo, Hitlary... BRING IT ON!)
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To: Founding Father

"Why Bush refuses to stop illegal immigration......Bush must have some ulterior motive"

I've been hoping the same. Still no explanation from him. He won't even come out and lie to us about it, he just avoids the question. Very frustrating for those who voted for him and ammo for Hillary and her ilk. I've given up waiting to hear why he doesn't do something immediately. Maybe MS13 is a branch of Skull and Bones, haha?


34 posted on 06/11/2005 9:35:22 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: DouglasKC

Have to attack the demand side. Stop people from lining up to be robbed, stabbed, and killed, and the problem will dry up.


35 posted on 06/11/2005 9:38:38 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Calpernia; Travis McGee

Silly adolescent hand signs.

Haven't they heard of lapel pins?


36 posted on 06/11/2005 9:44:32 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; archy; backhoe; Badray; t_skoz; Becki; Jack Black; Joe Brower; ...

Sombra Negra is the proven effective method of dealing with this scum. Eventually a similar organization will be formed here, as mentioned above.


37 posted on 06/11/2005 9:51:38 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: panaxanax
Maybe MS13 is a branch of Skull and Bones, haha?

I never made the connection --- thanks. That's certainly as good a reason as any Bush has put forth.

38 posted on 06/11/2005 9:53:06 AM PDT by Founding Father ( Republicans control the Oval Office, Senate and House, but still can't govern.)
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To: panaxanax
He {Bush} won't even come out and lie to us about it, he just avoids the question. If the MSM were covering immigration problems like they should, he would have no choice but to talk about it. The MSM is happy to watch our country go down in a sea of criminal "diversity." The fact that neither candidate got asked ONE lousy question about illegal immigration in the presidential debates tells it all.
39 posted on 06/11/2005 9:59:43 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: Calpernia
America's most dangerous gang:

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40 posted on 06/11/2005 10:00:53 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: SheLion

Remind us?

Nassau County is in NY.

Jersey City, NJ was home to:

- A large, multinational Islamic community

- The Al-Salaam Mosque

- Ahmed Amin Refai

- Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman

- Ramzi Yousef's Apartment

- Ramzi Yousef's storage facility that was converted into a bomb making factory

And yet....NY and NJ are white on that map.


41 posted on 06/11/2005 10:03:13 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: sweetliberty

you beat me by a minute...


42 posted on 06/11/2005 10:03:52 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: teawithmisswilliams

LOL--apparently 1 immigration question was asked in the 3rd debate (see thread below)...but it was such a bland exchange I can't even remember it.

How about: "Mr Bush, why won't you do what's necessary to stop illegal immigration?"


43 posted on 06/11/2005 10:05:19 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: Jack Black

BTTT


44 posted on 06/11/2005 10:14:11 AM PDT by in the Arena (CAPT (USAF) James Wayne Herrick, Jr. (Call Sign: FireFly33). MIA Laos 27 Oct 69)
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To: Calpernia


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...and the new Los Angeles Hispanic Mayor-Elect is on the side of the El Salvadorean Gangs in his city vs. the LAPD.

NUTS

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45 posted on 06/11/2005 10:26:43 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Calpernia
And yet....NY and NJ are white on that map.

Steve Emerson updated this map this year.  And more Mosque's have popped up even since.  Can't keep track of them all.

I'm sure Steve will update that map soon.  I sure hope so.  He has been on Fox News a lot lately, talking about the Terrorist Among Us.

Crazy, isn't it?  They are moving in faster then a map can keep updated. 

46 posted on 06/11/2005 10:29:35 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Gritty
If gangs like this aren't stopped by the police, Americans will eventually resort to their own system of justice and forget about the ineffective police and the flaccid courts.

The government has willfully abandoned it's duty to protect this country from invasion. I fully expect American vigilantes and home-grown "death squads" to begin operations after the next major terrorist attack on our soil.

47 posted on 06/11/2005 10:29:52 AM PDT by 10mm
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To: Calpernia

Isn't diversity grand?


48 posted on 06/11/2005 10:44:53 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Delenda est Liberalism!)
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deadlier than the russian mob that will take over crime in the US? deadlier than the jamaican posses that will take over crime?

You know they're not that dangerous until Steven Seagal makes a movie about them...


49 posted on 06/11/2005 10:55:53 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod ( I'm going to open Cobra Kai dojos all over this valley!)
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To: Gritty

A big +1

Americans (normal ones), when pushed into a corner, will eventually strike back in an extremely "unpleasant" manner.

Undoubtedly, a large reason for the liberal quest for civilian disarmament.


50 posted on 06/11/2005 10:56:59 AM PDT by AK2KX
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