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Questions Remain About Kerry's Military Records
Editor & Publisher ^ | 6/11/05 | Thomas Lipscomb

Posted on 06/11/2005 10:49:54 AM PDT by ambrose

Questions Remain About Kerry's Military Records

But will the press answer them? The Boston Globe and Los Angeles Times published in-depth accounts this week but, according to Lipscomb, the form that produced the documents may have asked for "anything and everything" or "nothing much at all."

By Thomas Lipscomb

(June 11, 2005) -- The Boston Globe and The Los Angeles Times initially refused to confirm or deny that they had a copy, or had even seen a copy, of the Standard Form 180 (SF-180) by which Sen. John Kerry’s “complete” military records were released over the past several days. This threw serious doubt on whether either newspaper took sufficient reasonable care in evaluating the chain of transmission by which they received the Kerry documents.

In response to my story in the Chicago Sun-Times on Thursday, the Managing Editor of the Boston Globe, Mary Jane Wilkinson, has now told Sun-Times editors that the Globe does indeed have a copy of Kerry’s Standard Form 180 used in delivering the documents to the Globe. That is reassuring, but it remains to be seen whether the Globe will release copies of the SF-180 in their possession, and that is important.

According to Mark Sullivan, a former Navy JAG officer who worked directly for the Secretary of the Navy, the SF-180 can release anything and everything and nothing much at all, depending on how it is executed. So it is incumbent upon anyone relying on statements, much less making them, concerning the production of documents to examine its wording carefully. One must evaluate it the same way an attorney would examine a request for discovery document in a legal case to see if it is artfully worded in a way not easily apparent to a non-specialist that excludes vital material.

Even when a source is doing their best to cooperate, the maze of the giant government bureaucracy can release some documents and not others for a variety of reasons. Kerry could have been doing his best to release all his documents on the SF-180 and still have things stuck in some subsection of the National Archives.

The Associated Press last summer, after chasing documents on President Bush for four years, finally had to sue for injunctive relief to get the U.S. government to release the last documents. The head of the AP, Tom Curley, told me, “This wasn’t the fault of the White House. They were doing everything they could to help us. But without a court order we couldn’t get the last documents.”

Journalists are seldom specialists. That is why they consult experts to help them make this kind of evaluation. It is now reasonable to assume that both papers used experts to examine the transmission SF-180 before they gave Kerry the very thing he was looking for: the imprimatur of two great newspapers that he had “provided access to his complete records” (L.A. Times) and that he “authorized the release of his complete medical and military records” (Boston Globe).

But there is still no evidence to support that confirmation, other than their assertion. There may be if, as I hope, these newspapers, or John Kerry himself, decide to reconsider and allow his SF-180 to be examined and the form is indeed filled out properly. In that case their stories are perfectly in order and deserve congratulations and I will be the first to say so.

The day before Globe reporter Michael Kranish released his story on the documents he called Kerry’s nemesis during the presidential campaign, John O’Neill, head of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. He told me he cautioned Kranish about the difficulties of an SF-180 release.

He stated that he sent Kranish directly a copy of his own he had filled out in response to Kerry’s challenge to him to do so on the “Meet the Press” show on January 30 on which Kerry promised to sign his. O’Neill’s SF-180, signed January 31st. was released to the media and has been available online since March 1st.

Now that the Boston Globe has in its possession what it claims are Kerry’s “full military and medical records” is the Globe ready to make these much-anticipated records available to the public? Managing Editor Mary Jane Wilkinson replied, “It is my understanding that Kerry will release these papers to anyone else now that he has signed the Form 180. The Boston Globe is not going to make available the papers we have received.”

But “the onus is on the Globe to explain why they are not releasing the records. They at least ought to give the public some reason,” according to former journalism dean and Fordham University Larkin professor Everette Dennis.

“With the opportunity to release the Kerry material on the internet inexpensively, there certainly is no physical problem preventing the Globe from publishing them,” Bill Gaines, a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner and Knight Professor of Journalism at the University of Illinois, told me. “The decision they have made certainly doesn’t seem to be in the interest of their readers and not very good journalism.”

Both the Boston Globe and Los Angeles Times claim that Kerry will release any papers in their possession to anyone else who applies. But that isn’t what The New York Sun’s Josh Gerstein found when he called Kerry’s able press representative, David Wade. Gerstein reports: “Asked whether the senator would permit release of the records to The New York Sun, Mr. Wade said, ‘The issue is over.’"

But it isn’t. And it won’t be until the public has access to the SF-180 which procured release of the papers. Freedom of Information Act requests for it are now under way. Those requests will most likely be successful, perhaps as early as next week. And there is nothing barring its release before those requests are processed but John Kerry, and The Los Angeles Times and The Boston Globe.

Michael Kranish, the Globe reporter who wrote the front page story about receiving Kerry’s “complete medical and military records,” was not happy at being pursued by my questions about how he had made that determination. Kranish finally sent me the following: “The story speaks for itself. Other media have been given access to the same records, and the Kerry office has said it is accepting requests. Your request should go to them. That is our statement.” It sounds more like a response from a lawyer than a reporter.

And The Boston Globe made several calls to editors at the Chicago Sun-Times, complaining that I was giving them the kind of unpleasant treatment reporters give sources who stonewall on questions about matters they think are of vital public interest. They were right. I was. And those questions got the Globe to admit they had the SF-180 two days later.

Perhaps now they will release it and even Kerry’s worst critics will find it in order and finally be silenced. In that case, David Wade may be right: “The issue is over.”

Thomas Lipscomb (letters@editorandpublisher.com) is a senior fellow at the Annenberg Center for the Digital Future at the University of Southern California. He writes regularly for the Chicago Sun-Times


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: form180; kerry; kranish; militaryrecord; sf180; teresashorseface; teresastoadie; thomaslipscomb; vietnam

1 posted on 06/11/2005 10:49:54 AM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose

MSM has credibility problems. They know skerry was substandard yet they tried to give him the presidency. However, one of the few times that the general public got smart and opened their minds to what MSM was doing.


2 posted on 06/11/2005 10:52:44 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: ambrose
Pipscomb is absolutely correct in his assessment. He should be a hero to his fellow reporters, but they aren't reporters, they're "journalists".

What is a "jourmalist"? It is a reporter who thinks they are part of a ruling class.

3 posted on 06/11/2005 10:59:02 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Liberal Reporter)
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To: ambrose



Surely they aren't covering directly for Kerry. If they are, that's it, that's the deathblow for the MSM.

My bet is there's nothing else of interest in those records.


4 posted on 06/11/2005 11:01:05 AM PDT by HarryCaul
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To: Doctor Raoul

A thousand apologies, it's spelled "Lipscomb".


5 posted on 06/11/2005 11:01:46 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Liberal Reporter)
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To: ambrose
O’Neill’s SF-180, signed January 31st. was released to the media and has been available online since March 1st.

Anyone have a link? Haven't been able to Google it.

6 posted on 06/11/2005 11:07:18 AM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: Didn't see Kerry's sorry ass.)
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To: Doctor Raoul; maica; ColdSpringGirl
What is a "jourmalist"?

...somoeone who interprets the who, what, when, where and how of yesterday's reporters. This according a panel of several "journalists" that I saw on C-Span recently. They were young, but already considered themselves as part of the elite.

7 posted on 06/11/2005 11:08:08 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: ambrose

I sincerely doubt if the trurh about kerry's military records will ever come out completely.


8 posted on 06/11/2005 11:14:21 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

sorry, "truth".


9 posted on 06/11/2005 11:14:51 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ambrose

Lot's of discussion on the Glob's story here...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420695/posts


10 posted on 06/11/2005 11:15:08 AM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: Didn't see Kerry's sorry ass.)
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To: ambrose

Kerry never disappoints ... he's lying again. He submitted form 180 to the National Personnel Record Center with instructions to release the records to the Department of the Navy. He then instructed the Navy to release 'selected parts' of the records to The Boston Globe. The Navy's privacy policy makes it possible to release less than the full record. The honest way to do it is to instruct the NPRC to release the full record to a third party. Only in this way can purging or selective release of Navy records be avoided. As I said, Kerry is lying again.


11 posted on 06/11/2005 11:17:08 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: ambrose
In Watergate terms, this is a "limited modified hangout." Having DNC propaganda organs like the L.A. Times and the Boston Globe vouch for this form is sort of like Nixon's plan to have Senator Stennis listen to the White House tapes...except that there was never any evidence that Stennis agreed to be part of a cover-up.
12 posted on 06/11/2005 11:25:57 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
In Watergate terms, this is a "limited modified hangout."

BRILLIANT CALL!!!!

13 posted on 06/11/2005 11:31:48 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Liberal Reporter)
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To: ambrose
From SF180:

An UNDELETED Report of Separation is requested for the year(s) This normally will be a copy of the full separation document including such sensitive items as the character of separation, authority for separation, reason for separation, reenlistment eligibility code, separation (SPD/SPN) code, and dates of time lost. An undeleted version is ordinarily required to determine eligibility for benefits.

Kerry needs to sign SF180, requesting an undeleted report of separation with a signed release for the full and complete military record(Medical,Training, etc.)

IMHO, he will not.

14 posted on 06/11/2005 12:08:37 PM PDT by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return with Honor")
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To: ambrose
"Perhaps now they will release it and even Kerry’s worst critics will find it in order and finally be silenced. In that case, David Wade may be right: “The issue is over.”

The "issue" is NOT over.

15 posted on 06/11/2005 12:11:54 PM PDT by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return with Honor")
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To: ambrose
This is what I expected from the start.

A little bit here... a little bit there... released by two, incredibally-compromised, pro-Kerry news sources. They don't even have all the information!

The guys a living-lie... a two-bit, bullsh_t artist.

16 posted on 06/11/2005 12:39:01 PM PDT by johnny7 (Mama T has seen her husbands 'dishonorable discharge'... close up.)
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To: CedarDave; TomGuy; maryz; Lonesome in Massachussets; JLO; gidget7; nopardons; Kenny Bunk; ...

the Glob!

LT ping!


17 posted on 06/11/2005 12:45:58 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: ambrose

'The Boston Globe made several calls to editors at the Chicago Sun-Times, complaining that I was giving them the kind of unpleasant treatment reporters give sources who stonewall on questions about matters they think are of vital public interest. They were right. I was.'




so the Glob was whining that Lipscomb was picking on them, and went to his boss??

Great Glob gutter gunk !


18 posted on 06/11/2005 12:48:05 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: ambrose; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; Blue Scourge; Cool Multiservice Soldier; ...

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS

Distribute these url's!

Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

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EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!

http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html

Full details on these url's!

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

Did you see this...?
(The 'Kerry's Promise Counter')
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=6628
Polipundit even tells you how to install it on your own page!

Swift Boat Veteran For Truth John O'Neill Comments on Kerry's 180 'Release'
6/7/05
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418592/posts

John Kerry was dishonorably dismissed from the Navy:
(statement from lawyers there at the time)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1406760/posts


19 posted on 06/11/2005 12:49:08 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
FYI

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· John Kerry finally executed a Standard Form 180 (“SF-180”). The SF-180 form is used to release privacy protected military records held in government archives. Mr. Kerry’s naval service has been a point of renewed controversy since his run for the presidency last year. Judicial Watch led the way in uncovering the details concerning Kerry’s naval record, and forced a (disappointing, whitewashed) review of his military awards & decorations by the Inspectors General of the Navy and Defense Department. Many of you will remember Kerry’s January 30, 2005 appearance on the NBC news show, Meet the Press, when moderator Tim Russert asked Sen. Kerry (three times) if he would sign an SF-180 and release all of his military records. On the third attempt Sen. Kerry answered Mr. Russert directly stating: “Yes, I will.” We took Senator Kerry at his word and on Wednesday, February 2, 2005, we hand-delivered an SF-180 and cover letter to his Senate office. The Boston Globe and other newspapers have reported they are in possession of Kerry’s “full military and medical records.” But are they? You see, an SF-180 is much like a checkbook, according to former Naval Judge Advocate Mark Sullivan. The form can be filled out for one dollar or for one million dollars. What matters is examining how Kerry filled out the SF-180 – to see precisely what he authorized to be released, and to which U.S. Navy records repository the form was submitted. Interestingly, Senator Kerry’s office has refused to produce a copy of the completed SF-180. We’ll keep tracking this story.

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20 posted on 06/11/2005 12:58:27 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub


21 posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:10 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: ambrose
Questions WILL ALWAYS Remain About Kerry's Military Records is more accurate. sKerry cannot release all of his records without admitting he received a less than honorable discharge.
22 posted on 06/11/2005 1:06:28 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans (NRA))))
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To: zip
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23 posted on 06/11/2005 1:09:34 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (H.R. 698 - go drop anchor somewhere else)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

Thanks.


24 posted on 06/11/2005 1:11:53 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans (NRA))))
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Prime Choice; ConservativeMan55; JulieRNR21; Cindy; Smartass; ...

132 Days and counting...

Image from the Master - Prime Choice...

http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/leftovers/showpics.cgi?kerrys_180

25 posted on 06/11/2005 1:17:22 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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To: Smartass; ConservativeMan55; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; JulieRNR21; Cindy; sweetliberty; ...

Judicial Watch ...BUMP!!!

132 Days...and counting...

   
click for more

(Please FReepmail if you want on, or off, this list. I certainly have no desire to increase anyone’s stress-level. Thanks!!!)

26 posted on 06/11/2005 1:25:48 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump


27 posted on 06/11/2005 1:45:35 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; ConservativeMan55; JulieRNR21; Cindy; Smartass; sweetliberty; ...

132 Days and counting...

Oh, and in case you missed it...

Over at: http://www.lindasog.com/mt/archives/2005/03/

Unbelievable but true! It's Tuesday again and you know what that means:
On January 30, 2005, The Great Pretender once again promised to sign his 180, this time on NBC News’ Meet the Press.
MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?
SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will.
Over at Cao's Blog, they are wondering if Kerry can’t find his pen. So how about we send him a pen! Everyone! Send Kerry a pen and send him the 180. Do it!
Prediction: John Kerry will never sign the 180, never! Why? Because he is a low-life scum sucking piece of sh*t liar. Still, I have taken a vow to never let the low-life scum sucking piece of sh*t liar forget that promise to America. I will write that low-life scum sucking piece of sh*t liar every Tuesday for the rest of his lying scum sucking piece of sh*t life.
I will send the low-life scum sucking piece of sh*t liar an email with a link to the form every Tuesday for the rest of his lying scum sucking piece of sh*t life.
Feel free to join in... and... if you are a blogger, join us in spreading the word every Tuesday.
Sign the 180 Senator. Sign the 180.
Posted by LindaSoG at 07:57 AM | Comments (1)

28 posted on 06/11/2005 1:46:30 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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To: Freee-dame; johnny7

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30 posted on 06/11/2005 2:05:35 PM PDT by maica
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To: maica

I'd rather be forced to read Danielle Steele than that sh_t!


31 posted on 06/11/2005 2:44:27 PM PDT by johnny7 ('Mama T' has seen her husbands 'dishonorable discharge'... close up.)
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To: ambrose
John "Charley" Kerry will not release his full records because they contain an other than honorable discharge form the other than honorable kerry!
32 posted on 06/11/2005 5:19:59 PM PDT by mountainlyons (alienated vet)
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To: Seadog Bytes

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 06/11/2005 8:04:15 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: CedarDave
Anyone have a link? Haven't been able to Google it.

Polipundit hosts a copy of John O'Neill's signed SF 180 at:

http://polipundit.com/images/O'Neill_Form_180.gif

34 posted on 06/11/2005 8:19:32 PM PDT by JakeINJoisey
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To: CedarDave
Anyone have a link? Haven't been able to Google it.

Polipundit hosts a copy of John O'Neill's signed SF 180 at:

http://polipundit.com/images/O'Neill_Form_180.gif

35 posted on 06/11/2005 8:19:38 PM PDT by JakeINJoisey
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To: HarryCaul
My bet is there's nothing else of interest in those records.

That theory leaves a giant elephant in the middle of the room, with a sign on the side saying... explain why Hanoi John won't just "do it?"

36 posted on 06/11/2005 8:31:00 PM PDT by MarineBrat (We are taxed twice as much by our idleness. -- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ambrose
The Boston Globe is not going to make available the papers we have received.

Because they are protected by the seal of Confession. They wouldn't be more secure if they had been placed in a time capsule on an extragalactic trajectory.

37 posted on 06/11/2005 8:55:22 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: ambrose
Can anyone imagine the Stoneage Press covering up for GW?? The beat goes on!!

Pray for W and Our Troops

38 posted on 06/12/2005 6:56:36 AM PDT by bray (Pray for Iraq's Freedom from Mohammad)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Because they are protected by the seal of Confession

I know Boston is heavily Catholic, and I know reporters sometimes think they're god....but papers released to a reporter are protected by the seal of Confession? I'm having a hard time with that. Any reporter worthy of the name (so few today) should be happy to release the docs that prove his point.

The Glob's got some 'splainin' to do. This only puts their credibility and "objectivisism" even further in the hole!

39 posted on 06/12/2005 7:14:12 AM PDT by blu (This post edited for brevity.)
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To: blu
Update your browser, you missed my sarcasm tag. The Globe is in the tank for the Dems, they cannot be taken seriously, much less trusted on this issue.
40 posted on 06/12/2005 7:17:13 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: blu
I know Boston is heavily Catholic

The Globe is pretty atheistic. Their Catholics, to the extent they have any, are of the Father Berrigan variety.

41 posted on 06/12/2005 7:20:07 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: JakeINJoisey
Thanks for the link. O'neill's SF-180 shown below:


42 posted on 06/12/2005 9:08:47 AM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: Didn't see Kerry's sorry ass.)
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To: All
The thing is that the Boston Globe is now caught up in Kerry's mess. If they received all his records and selectively reported on them they are screwed as well.
43 posted on 06/12/2005 10:00:12 AM PDT by baystaterebel (F/8 and be there!)
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To: ambrose

Kerry could have been doing his best to release all his documents on the SF-180 and still have things stuck in some subsection of the National Archives.

BS. Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size knows that Kerry has a lot to hise and will NEVER sign an SF-180 that will release ALL of his records. GWB's records were found and released. It's not like the records are in more than one place at the archives.
Don't anybody hold their breath until they see ALL of John traitor Kerry's records.


44 posted on 06/12/2005 5:39:59 PM PDT by conshack ((Illegal immigration is the #1 threat to Homeland Security))
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To: Alamo-Girl

You're welcome, certainly.

Did you also happen see the thread at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421687/posts ...?

...Some info there I had not seen before.

Be well.


45 posted on 06/13/2005 2:02:57 AM PDT by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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To: Baynative

Is this what you're looking for? (Transcript)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6886726/


46 posted on 06/13/2005 2:27:14 AM PDT by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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To: Seadog Bytes

Indeed, that is a most interesting thread. Thanks for the ping!


47 posted on 06/13/2005 6:14:58 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Yes, Ma'am. You're certianly welcome.


48 posted on 06/13/2005 1:40:07 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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