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Quran desecration crock a win for Jihad spin docs
Chicago Sun Times ^ | June 12, 2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 06/12/2005 2:29:07 AM PDT by mal

Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe's kleptocrat strongman, destroyed a mosque the other day. It was in Hatcliffe Extension, a shantytown on the edge of Harare razed by the "police." Mugabe is an equal-opportunity razer: He also bulldozed a Catholic-run AIDS center. The government destroyed the town in order to drive the locals out into the countryside to live on the land stolen from white farmers. Quite how that's meant to benefit any of the parties involved or the broader needs of Zimbabwe is beyond me, but then I'm no expert in Afro-Marxist economic theory.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gitmo; korandesecration; newsweek; steyn

1 posted on 06/12/2005 2:29:07 AM PDT by mal
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To: mal

The Koran, is new and improved. It is now available in two ply quilted.


2 posted on 06/12/2005 2:37:57 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (One man's Linux is another man's OS/2.)
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To: mal
Or is Quran desecration one of those things like Jews telling Jewish jokes or gangsta rappers recording numbers like "Strictly 4 My Niggaz"? Are only devout Muslims allowed to desecrate the Quran? No doubt that's why the Egyptian foreign minister and company had no comment on the recent suicide bombing at a mosque in Kandahar, which killed 20, wounded more than 50 and presumably desecrated every Quran in the building.

As Aaron Neville (a much better alternative to Rap) says "tell it like it is........."

3 posted on 06/12/2005 3:05:04 AM PDT by kipita (Rebel the proletariat response to Aristocracy and Exploitation.)
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To: mal
Interestingly enough, the only people who can verify the alleged desecration's are the terrorists themselves. It is also an interesting coincidence, one that I have learned the hard way, is that most islam-terrorists will lie to you if they think that it is to their advantage, and will cry like little girls if they are caught.
Now that they have been caught, expect their crocodile tears to flow.
4 posted on 06/12/2005 4:58:00 AM PDT by martywake (against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.)
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To: mal
"This disgraceful conduct of those soldiers reveal their blatant hatred and disdain for the religion of millions of Muslims all over the world," said His Excellency.

I'm no soldier, but I am proud to contribute my own blatant hatred and disdain for the religion of millions of Muslims to the mix.

5 posted on 06/12/2005 5:21:07 AM PDT by Maceman (The Qur'an is Qur'ap.)
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To: mal

The truth is the Bush adminstration couldn't start appeasing the Arab/Muslim world fast enough after 9-11, and it continues still. We've acted like chumps. From rewarding Palestinians with a state to genuflecting every time a Koran is supposedly desecrated, we've encouraged and emboldened the jihadis, at least from the PR perspective. And we've forced Ariel Sharon to play that game too. It's a disgrace. Until we get real, on some level, the jihadis win. At least we have pounded the crap out of them in Iraq and Afghanistan, militarily.


6 posted on 06/12/2005 5:27:20 AM PDT by veronica
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To: mal

Notice who the liberal groups are strangely silent about the killings by Mugabe? White farmers are being murdered left and right and their farms confiscated while the usual suspects are silent. This scumbag should be on the axis of evil list.


7 posted on 06/12/2005 5:28:49 AM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: martywake

[[Interestingly enough, the only people who can verify the alleged desecration's are the terrorists themselves]]

Oh, and don't forget the Democrats, like Kennedy and his ilk.


8 posted on 06/12/2005 5:30:43 AM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: mal

Good article!


9 posted on 06/12/2005 5:31:54 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: mal

I prefer the title this article was given in the London Spectator......."Piss and wind"


10 posted on 06/12/2005 6:22:46 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: mal
This is Ann Coulter quality sarcasm and right on

Well then, these are diminished times for gulags. According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, some 15 million to 30 million prisoners died in the Soviet gulags. By comparison, Guantanamo at its peak held 750 prisoners; currently, there are 520; none have died in captivity, and, as I wrote 3-1/2 years ago, it has the distinction of being "a camp where the medical staff outnumber the prisoners." You'll get swifter, cleaner and more efficient treatment than most Canadians do under socialized health care. It's the only gulag in history where the detainees leave in better health and weighing more than when they arrive. This means they're in much better shape when they get back to their hectic schedule of killing infidels: Of the more than 200 who've been released, around 5 percent -- that's to say, 12 -- have since been recaptured on the battlefield.
11 posted on 06/12/2005 6:55:53 AM PDT by SAWTEX
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To: Maceman
I don't hate anyone on account of their religion, but this one is certainly a candidate to be disdained.

These guys are all wrong ~ the various printed copies of the Koran are just paper and ink ~ if they truly believe the only true Koran to be kept safe in Heaven, and still demand special treatment for these Earthly Korans, they have become hypocrites.

Islam exacts the death penalty on hypocrites and apostates.

(NOTE: in Islam an hypocrite is someone who pretends to be a Moslem but really isn't.)

12 posted on 06/12/2005 7:10:15 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: mal
Every Koran I have seen has had an intricately detailed, ornate cover. IMO this is the literary equivalent of attempting to polish a turd.
13 posted on 06/12/2005 7:41:42 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: mal
But sure, go ahead, close Gitmo and wait for the rave reviews from the media -- right after the complaints that it's culturally insensitive to rebuild the World Trade Center when it's the burial site of 10 revered Muslim martyrs.

Wordsmything at it's finest.

14 posted on 06/12/2005 8:02:04 AM PDT by texas booster (Bless the legal immigrants!)
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To: Commander Salamander; mal
Too bad your post of the WHOLE article got locked, Commander. Thanks for the effort.

FMCDH(BITS)

15 posted on 06/12/2005 8:03:23 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: muawiyah
I don't hate anyone on account of their religion, but this one is certainly a candidate to be disdained.

I didn't say I hate Muslims. I said I hate the Muslim religion. Big difference.

16 posted on 06/12/2005 8:53:30 AM PDT by Maceman (The Qur'an is Qur'ap.)
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To: Maceman

Not a sufficient difference to worry about. Best to convert these guys. Ann was right.


17 posted on 06/12/2005 8:57:59 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: mal
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe's kleptocrat strongman, destroyed a mosque the other day. It was in Hatcliffe Extension, a shantytown on the edge of Harare razed by the "police." Mugabe is an equal-opportunity razer: He also bulldozed a Catholic-run AIDS center. The government destroyed the town in order to drive the locals out into the countryside to live on the land stolen from white farmers. Quite how that's meant to benefit any of the parties involved or the broader needs of Zimbabwe is beyond me, but then I'm no expert in Afro-Marxist economic theory.

The point is the world's Muslims seem entirely cool with Infidel Bob razing a mosque. Unlike the fallout over Newsweek's fraudulent story about the Quran being flushed down a toilet, no excitable young men went bananas in Pakistan; no western progressives berated Mugabe for his "cultural insensitivity." And sadly most of the big shot Muslim spokespersons were still too busy flaying the Bush administration to whip their subjects into a frenzy over Hatcliffe Extension's pile of Islamic rubble.

Last week, Ambassador Atta el-Manan Bakhit of the Organization of the Islamic Conference called on Washington to show "no leniency" to the "perpetrators" of "this despicable crime." "This disgraceful conduct of those soldiers reveal their blatant hatred and disdain for the religion of millions of Muslims all over the world," said His Excellency. The Egyptian foreign minister was also in a tizzy. "We denounce in the strongest possible terms what the Pentagon confirmed about the desecration of the Qu'ran," said Ahmed Aboul Gheit, calling for strong measures, heads to roll, etc.

And what was it the Pentagon "confirmed"? That since Gitmo became the global center of U.S. Quran Desecration operations, there have been five verifiable instances of official minor "disrespect" for the holy book, three of which may have been intentional, which averages out at one incident per year. The same report also turned up 15 documented instances of "disrespect" by Muslim detainees. "These included using a Quran as a pillow, ripping pages out of the Quran, attempting to flush a Quran down the toilet and urinating on the Quran."

When three times as many detainees "desecrate" the Koran as U.S. guards do, it seems clear that the whole Operation Desecration ballyhoo is yet another media crock and the Organization of the Islamic Conference and all the rest are complaining about nothing. Or is Quran desecration one of those things like Jews telling Jewish jokes or gangsta rappers recording numbers like "Strictly 4 My Niggaz"? Are only devout Muslims allowed to desecrate the Quran? No doubt that's why the Egyptian foreign minister and company had no comment on the recent suicide bombing at a mosque in Kandahar, which killed 20, wounded more than 50 and presumably desecrated every Quran in the building.

Yet, as is often the way, the Muslim world's whiny spokespersons have been effortlessly topped by the old hands of the anti-American left. Thus, according to Amnesty International, Gitmo is the "gulag of our time."

Well then, these are diminished times for gulags. According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, some 15 million to 30 million prisoners died in the Soviet gulags. By comparison, Guantanamo at its peak held 750 prisoners; currently, there are 520; none have died in captivity, and, as I wrote 3-1/2 years ago, it has the distinction of being "a camp where the medical staff outnumber the prisoners." You'll get swifter, cleaner and more efficient treatment than most Canadians do under socialized health care. It's the only gulag in history where the detainees leave in better health and weighing more than when they arrive. This means they're in much better shape when they get back to their hectic schedule of killing infidels: Of the more than 200 who've been released, around 5 percent -- that's to say, 12 -- have since been recaptured on the battlefield.

Why would an organization in the human rights business want to trivialize the murder of millions in totalitarian death camps by comparing them with a non-death camp that flatters every aspect of the inmates' culture? If Gitmo's a gulag, what words are left for the systemic rape being practiced by the butchers of Darfur? Or is it because they've so exhausted the extremes of their vocabulary on Guantanamo that the world's progressives have so little to say about real horrors like Sudan?

No serious allegation of torture at the camp has been substantiated, and in the al-Qaida training manual found in Manchester, England, a couple of years back Rule 18 couldn't be more explicit: When held captive by the infidel, members must "complain to the court of mistreatment while in prison" and say that "torture was inflicted on them." A healthy skepticism would thus seem to be advisable. Instead, Thomas Friedman of the New York Times runs around shrieking like a hysterical ninny that Washington needs to shut down Guantanamo right now -- not because of anything that actually occurred there -- but because of negative "perceptions" of the camp in the overseas press.

And would caving in to those negative perceptions lead to any better press? Nobody got killed in Gitmo, so instead America's being flayed as the planet's No. 1 torturer for being insufficiently respectful to the holy book of its prisoners, even though the Americans themselves supplied their prisoners with the holy book, even though Americans who fall into the hands of the other side get their heads hacked off, even though the prisoners' co-religionists themselves blow up more mosques and Qurans than the Pentagon ever does, even though the preferred holy book of most Americans is banned in the home country of many of the prisoners, where respect for other faiths is summed up in the headline, "Seven Christians Released In Saudi Arabia On Condition They Renounce Private Religious Practice."

That was in the British Catholic newspaper, the Universe, last week, by the way. Sadly, no U.S. newspaper found room for the story due to pressures of space caused by all the "Al-Qaida Press Secretary Denounces Insufficient Respect For Koran By Rumsfeld" front page splashes. But sure, go ahead, close Gitmo and wait for the rave reviews from the media -- right after the complaints that it's culturally insensitive to rebuild the World Trade Center when it's the burial site of 10 revered Muslim martyrs.

Guantanamo will be remembered not as a byword for torture but for self-torture, a Western fetish the jihad's spin doctors understand all too well.

18 posted on 06/12/2005 9:09:53 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: mal

bttt


19 posted on 06/12/2005 9:50:30 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

why doesn't anyone bring up Mugabe razing a mosque to every single person who bitches about this Koran thing from here on out

I recall that the Muslim and Arab media were having fits if the US military entered a mosque even though shots were being fired at them from mosques and it turned out the mosque was a huge weapons cache....

Steyn is right, the deliberate bulldozing of a mosque should be almost grounds for war, given the reaction to a drop of urine landing on a Koran by accident


20 posted on 06/12/2005 10:06:09 AM PDT by llama hunter
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To: JarheadFromFlorida

well give BBC some props, they actually have tried to do a good job covering Mugabe's behaviour and the efforts of the opposition DESPITE THE FACT Mugabe has banned the BBC from Zimbawe

and what BBC has on tape, which was snuck out to them, before the election about 3-4 years ago, was a systematic campaign to beat and torture black and white opposition members, they had videotape of the victims, black and white, showing their injuries, not to mention the basic fact is that all of Mugabe's racist policies have only resulted in starvation for his people

many blacks, who were farm workers, of course were also beaten and tortured and killed in the campaign to drive out the White farmers and they lost their livelihood.......

heck even Bob Geldof recognizes, Mugabe Bad....


21 posted on 06/12/2005 10:11:57 AM PDT by llama hunter
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To: Dog Gone


Thank you for posting the full article, FRiend! :-)
22 posted on 06/14/2005 11:35:26 AM PDT by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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To: mal
Thank Mark Steyn - the best bang per word.

The real tragedy is having our Military risking their lives on foreign enemy soil; while being shot in the back from the MSM ie the citizens of the Left, back home.

These people are shameless. . .and driven. They just keep re-loading and take aim, against our own. . .while calling their treason a patriotic choice. . .

Sickening. . .

23 posted on 06/14/2005 7:45:20 PM PDT by cricket (Just say NO U.N.)
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