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More babies, young kids going hungry in US (Blame Dubya's proposed cuts in welfare aid)
Yahoo News ^ | 6/11/05

Posted on 06/12/2005 5:00:16 AM PDT by Libloather

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To: Popman

-Someone needs to post tha B.S. meter alert-

I quote: In some areas, green vegetables and fruit are impossible to buy -- even in a can, because there may be no supermarket.

Oh, puh-leez. And this happens how often? That's some serious grasping.


51 posted on 06/12/2005 5:57:01 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: Libloather

"In 2003, 11.2 percent of families in the United States experienced hunger, compared with 10.1 percent in 1999, according to most recent official figures, released on National Hunger Awareness Day held this year on Tuesday, June 7."

I have experienced hunger every year since June 1950. As a matter of fact, I'm experiencing it right now. Be right back .... I have to have a bowl of cereal.


52 posted on 06/12/2005 5:57:11 AM PDT by moonman
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To: Soliton
Dr. Black is a pediatric psychologist . . .

She's probably too busy campaigning for gay adoptions to spend much time researching the cost of pork and beans.

53 posted on 06/12/2005 5:58:00 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: Bahbah; Libloather
In some areas, green vegetables and fruit are impossible to buy -- even in a can, because there may be no supermarket. Moreover, such items are costly.

Who wrote this nonsense?

Probably just parroting something the reporter heard, because it fits the reporter's mental template.

There are some pretty darn poor neighborhoods near where I work in downtown Atlanta. Every one of them has little corner groceries or bodegas, and often on Friday they'll have fresh fruits and veggies displayed on the sidewalk.

The story's just trying to counter in advance the argument of parental incapacity. Which is the real problem here.

54 posted on 06/12/2005 5:59:19 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: SIDENET

LOL


55 posted on 06/12/2005 5:59:24 AM PDT by Recall
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To: Libloather
Some pediatricians worry that cuts in welfare aid proposed in President George W. Bush's 2006 budget will only exacerbate the situation.

What are the names of those three pediatricians?

56 posted on 06/12/2005 5:59:25 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: Libloather

"But infant-child protection centers do not exist in the United States, unlike it other countries, such as France, which makes children below the age of three or four years old somewhat invisible to authorities, laments Frank. "They don't come to my clinic until they are already quite underweight. "

Here is how we solve this problem. Every planned parenthood center gets shut down and reopened as an "infant child protection center" with the same funding. And we will let faith based cahrities also contribute and make it a 501c3 so anyone can contribute and write off the payment.



57 posted on 06/12/2005 5:59:33 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: Libloather

"Some pediatricians worry that cuts in welfare aid proposed in President George W. Bush's 2006 budget will only exacerbate the situation. By contrast Bush plans to keep tax cuts for more affluent sectors of the population, they note."

So which is it AFP? Are kids starving now before the evil tax cuts or are they going to starve even more after the tax cuts? So if they are starving now, would that not suggest the welfare programs they are now on are not working?

It's fun to catch the press contradicting themselves. Especially a few paragraphs into a story.


58 posted on 06/12/2005 5:59:42 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: A. Pole

Food stamps shouldn't be redeemable for anything except basic foods and staples - classes for training should be the province of volunteers and hand-wringing do-good agencies.

I will agree that protective custody is a last resort, but I see a LOT of need for last resort action. If state wards grow up to be criminals, what's the difference? Many would have had the same fate with lesser options in their mother's care anyway.


59 posted on 06/12/2005 6:00:36 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (NEW and IMPROVED: Now with 100% more Tyrannical Tendencies and Dictator Envy!)
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To: madprof98

Funny, why is all the malnutrition coming from Blue States with Democrat politicians who run these areas? I thought they were the ones leading the war on poverty.

Apparently they aren't doing a good job.


60 posted on 06/12/2005 6:01:08 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: Libloather

there are no supermarkets to buy even canned vegetables, but there ARE McDonalds?


61 posted on 06/12/2005 6:03:07 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Both posts- very good points


62 posted on 06/12/2005 6:03:34 AM PDT by listenhillary (If it ain't broke, it will be after the government tries to fix it)
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To: Bahbah
Well, it is true that some American communities, particularly in extremely remote areas (e.g., Inuit villages in Alaska) during the winter lack any access to green vegetation. Then again, the Inuit diet traditionally does not emphasize such foods, and the Inuit have survived in the Arctic for millenia.

Getting fresh fruit and vegetables at a reasonable price and in good condition can be difficult in the Northern winter too. But there aren't too many places where you can't get canned (or frozen) vegetables or even fresh potatoes. The areas without supermarkets generally lie in rather remotely rural areas, where residents must prepare properly for a long winter of blizzards and/or take up cross-country skiing to ensure an adequate food supply.

Inner-city residents can take inexpensive public transportation to a supermarket if none exists in their neighborhood. Perhaps doing so will increase their exposure to roving criminal gangs (which explains why these neighborhoods lack supermarkets, an attractive target for robbers and other thugs).
63 posted on 06/12/2005 6:04:13 AM PDT by dufekin (United States of America: a judicial tyranny, not a federal republic)
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To: Izzy Dunne

AHahahah funny one bro
Yea , right no supermarkets..where the hell might that be..What a bullsh*t article that is.


64 posted on 06/12/2005 6:04:20 AM PDT by hineybona
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To: A. Pole
These "nincompoops" do not need the criminal prosecution. They need some basic compulsory training

They didn't seem to need any training to get pregnant.

The problem is not "training" or lack thereof. It's the fact they are irresponsible louts, at best!

65 posted on 06/12/2005 6:04:38 AM PDT by Gritty ("I would sooner trust the North Koreans to keep their word than the Democrats"-Ann Coulter)
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To: Libloather
"Some pediatricians worry that cuts in welfare aid proposed in President George W. Bush's 2006 budget will only exacerbate the situation. By contrast Bush plans to keep tax cuts for more affluent sectors of the population, they note.

  1. Define "some"
  2. There isn't any "cut" in welfare. The increase just wasn't what the fat a$$hole Sen Kennedy and his commie ilk wanted
  3. The Tax Cuts For The 'Rich' is utter bullsh*t. Dubya's tax cuts and plans removed more lower income people, aka 'POOR FOLK', from the tax rolls than any other tax plan in US history.

"In the working class port city of Baltimore, Maryland, Dr. Maureen Black, a pediatrician, sees numbers of underweight babies in her clinic specialized in infant malnutrition located in one of the poorer areas."

Okay pinhead, oops 'Doctor', first of all welfare is still good for three years so 'mom' should be getting Gubmint Money and as such there shouldn't BE any underweight babies. Unless of course you're talking about kid number seven or eight and 'mom' refuses to get a job. Or......

  1. 'Daddy' is in PRISON and doesn't support his kids. Or......
  2. Mommy is a crack whore or heroin addict and spends all 'her' money on dope. And......
  3. When 'mommy' is not ... ahem... 'working', she's laying in bed higher than a freaking kite!

Now as to there not being a supermarket or grocery store in the 'hood', well Doc - there used to be but the residents kept robbing it and then they burned the frigging thing down! And if you're so concerned why don't YOU open one up.

So Bite ME.

66 posted on 06/12/2005 6:06:07 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: EDINVA
there are no supermarkets to buy even canned vegetables, but there ARE McDonalds?

McDonald's has fruit and salads.

This article is just red tofu for the hate-Bush crowd. It's such a work of total fiction that it's actually funny.

67 posted on 06/12/2005 6:08:52 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (Forget Blackwell for Governor! Blackwell for Senate '06!)
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To: moonman

I love it
official figures OFFICIAL..Not just ANY figures but THE OFFICIAL FIGURES....and that official is who may I ask ?
Thats like the NY Times age old bullcrap "an OFFICIAL SAID.."
an official can be the head custodian ..( actually the times did in fact use the head janitor at a NYC college as an official's quote in an article about school policy )
The entire article is propaganda !


68 posted on 06/12/2005 6:09:14 AM PDT by hineybona
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To: Izzy Dunne

I just read a report on a study done in California that stated we are the "most overfed and under-nourished" people in the world.


69 posted on 06/12/2005 6:10:22 AM PDT by rconawa
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To: Bahbah

>In some areas, green vegetables and fruit are impossible to buy -- even in a can, because there may be no supermarket. Moreover, such items are costly.<

My friends live in a rural area of the state, where one has to drive 40 minutes or so to the supermarket. The local gas station-store has more food than do city types, and wonder of wonders, most people have gardens. Therefore, the veggies they have are better than the ones found in some Safeways.


70 posted on 06/12/2005 6:10:42 AM PDT by Darnright ( Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before)
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To: Uhhuh35
"Why is it that illegal aliens manage to feed themselves but some American citizens are unable?"

Actually, I suspect the problem IS pregnant and "post pregnant" illegals who are afraid the apply for WIC and food stamps due to their "immigrant" status. They still end up taking the babies to US hospitals (on the taxpayers tab, of course), so the number of "malnourished" infants recorded statistically DOES increase.

71 posted on 06/12/2005 6:12:00 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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Some children in the United States occasionally look like the malnourished children we see in some parts of Africa, however, welfare programs targeting society's poorest ensures that problem is generally avoided, the pediatricians say.


Paradoxically, malnutrition is not always due to lack of food -- rather to the quality of the food being consumed.

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The part that cracks me up about all this is -- for some time now, I've been hearing about how obese our children are. If they are obese, then any malnourishment is not due to lack of food -- but rather to the food the kids are eating.

Could it be, maybe, just maybe, the problem is not a lack of food, but rather, the kids are not being compelled to eat the right things and/or the parents are too damm lazy to provide their children with the food they are supposed to eat?

Nah...that wouldn't fit in with the liberal socialist agenda of the article and most of the participants described herein.


72 posted on 06/12/2005 6:12:10 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Condor51

Well said and oh so true..good post buddy..


73 posted on 06/12/2005 6:12:31 AM PDT by hineybona
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To: hineybona

I agree. Funny how you explained it. LOL


74 posted on 06/12/2005 6:13:06 AM PDT by moonman
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To: AmericanChef





75 posted on 06/12/2005 6:13:49 AM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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To: Uhhuh35

FREE FOOD STAMPS,FREE HOUSING,FREE MEDICAL now go back to work someone has to pay for the FREE ride.


76 posted on 06/12/2005 6:13:58 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: hineybona
Thnak you.
Leftist propaganda like this piece of tripe gets me boiling.
77 posted on 06/12/2005 6:15:23 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Soliton
Good catch.

And, how ever will I square this with the claims of American kids being obese?

78 posted on 06/12/2005 6:20:28 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Libloather

In other articles that I have seen, the author of this article, Stan Honda of AFP, frequently paints Republicans as being extremists and villains, and so it should come as no surprise that he also attempts to demonize President Bush in this one. Honda usually tries to mask his disdain for Republicans by trying to appear "balanced", although a careful reading of his works shows just the opposite. However the bias in the writing of this particular article comes across as uncharacteristically childish and heavy-handed.


79 posted on 06/12/2005 6:21:48 AM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: Libloather

Dr. Black is in Maryland. I went through the eligibility test for an 18 year old and a one year old with no income to see what was available. This was the result:

Based on the information you provided, You MAY BE eligible for the following Program(s).
o FOOD STAMP PROGRAM
o MARYLAND ENERGY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM
o TEMPORARY CASH ASSISTANCE PROGRAM
o MEDICAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM


Based on the information you provided, You MAY NOT BE eligible for the following Program(s).
o ELECTRIC UNIVERSAL SERVICE PROGRAM
o PURCHASE OF CHILD CARE PROGRAM


80 posted on 06/12/2005 6:23:23 AM PDT by Soliton (Alone with everyone else.)
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To: listenhillary

Wouldn't a Williams-Sowell radio or TV show be great?

Love to listen to them together.

Something along the lines of Hannity and what's his face.


81 posted on 06/12/2005 6:24:54 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Gritty
They didn't seem to need any training to get pregnant. The problem is not "training" or lack thereof.

No, they are ignorant. The best proof how widespread such ignorance is even among Freepers are the recommendations of the canned vegetables posted on this thread.

Canned food CANNOT substitute for the real thing.

82 posted on 06/12/2005 6:25:42 AM PDT by A. Pole ("Truth at first is ridiculed, then it is violently opposed and then it is accepted as self evident.")
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To: Condor51

The left becomes more and more childish in their articles and statements as time goes on..I cant believe the number of morons in this country who fall for all of this crap..


83 posted on 06/12/2005 6:26:17 AM PDT by hineybona
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To: Libloather

Oh man. What a crock of crap.
First of all, the WIC program exists to supplement the foods for pregnant women, and children to the age of 5. I have needed WIC for years. You get milk, cereal, peanut butter, eggs, cheese, baby food, and formula (if you don't breastfeed. If you do you get tuna and carrots). In our state you also get checks for fresh produce in the summer.

The main problem with infant malnutrition is formula. A baby should be fed by his mother's breast. It is nature's perfect food. Breastfed babies are stronger, healtier, better weight, more intelligent, less prone to illness, more secure.
What I envision here are lazy, stupid welfare women to watch Jerry Springer and soaps all day, who are too ignorant to breastfeed and too indifferent to make the formula properly or feed their baby at proper intervals.
These women no doubt also get food stamps, and if they made healthy choice with the monies being given them, their children would be healthy.
There are also food banks galore in the country in almost every area that provide extra food if you need it. There is not a person or child in the US that goes hungry simply because there is no way to get food to them. Blame it on stupid, ignorant, lazy parents who do not work to care for their children and fee the right.

What gooner being put out by the media!!!!


84 posted on 06/12/2005 6:27:28 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: anniegetyourgun
And, how ever will I square this with the claims of American kids being obese?

Being obese can be a result of bad food (cans, junk food etc ...)

85 posted on 06/12/2005 6:27:54 AM PDT by A. Pole ("Truth at first is ridiculed, then it is violently opposed and then it is accepted as self evident.")
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To: A. Pole
These "nincompoops" do not need the criminal prosecution. They need some basic compulsory training - what to buy, where to buy, how to cook or prepare, how to eat.

In other words, we need to teach them the basics of life, and how to fend for themselves. Wait a minute, I have a solution...what they need are more social programs, that'll help I'm sure.


86 posted on 06/12/2005 6:29:38 AM PDT by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: A. Pole
There is another possible case - that parents are very ignorant. If so they need to be forced to attend the nutrition training showing them how they can get healthy and cheap food.

Every Social Services Department has pamphlets on "good nutrition".

That, of course, is not to suggest that every poor person is on Welfare...but at least nutritional material is available there.

Additionally, most if not all areas have food banks to supplement food stamps.

87 posted on 06/12/2005 6:31:41 AM PDT by infocats
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To: Libloather
In 2003, 11.2 percent of families in the United States experienced hunger, compared with 10.1 percent in 1999, according to most recent official figures, released on National Hunger Awareness Day held this year on Tuesday, June 7.

On awakening this morning, 99.765% of Americans experienced hunger.

Meaningless garbage from those more experienced in Kabuki Theater than we.

Where do government and NGO statistics come from? Why they make them up specially for the occasion.

88 posted on 06/12/2005 6:32:09 AM PDT by metesky (President; The People's Committee Against People's Committees)
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To: A. Pole

Yes, but the article says kids are going "hungry." It doesn't suggest malnutrition. You don't suppose the headline writer had an agenda, do you?


89 posted on 06/12/2005 6:32:13 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Conservatrix

To be fair, there are some women out there who cannot breastfeed. My late mother told me she could not do it...what little she could produce did not have much nutritional value, so she had to put both my brother and me on formula. She told me there was great stigma put on her because she couldn't breastfeed (usually by male doctors).

But as you said...if you cannot breastfeed...there are formulas out there, usually at little or no cost.


90 posted on 06/12/2005 6:38:48 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Libloather
If you ever go to some of the Chinatown seafood markets in NYC, you will see many people buying seafood from the projects nearby. Last week I saw this enormous black lady buying 5 cases of shrimp and 2 cases of lobster tails on food-stamps. My jaw dropped because I work and have no kids but still can't afford that much. The guys working there even knew her by name.

Something is very wrong with the welfare system.
91 posted on 06/12/2005 6:39:16 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: A. Pole

Do share old wise one...


92 posted on 06/12/2005 6:41:41 AM PDT by listenhillary (If it ain't broke, it will be after the government tries to fix it)
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To: infocats

Every Social Services Department has pamphlets on "good nutrition".

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I have been going through some of my mother's things since her passing last year, and one of the items I came across was an old decrepid cookbook from about the 1940's. Tucked in there was a rather worn magazine article from around that era, entitled "How to Feed a Family of Four on $15 Per Week."

So such information is available, and probably always has been.


93 posted on 06/12/2005 6:44:01 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Libloather

"Some pediatricians worry that cuts in welfare aid proposed in President George W. Bush's 2006 budget will only exacerbate the situation. By contrast Bush plans to keep tax cuts for more affluent sectors of the population, they note."

Trickle-down Food-a-Nomics! ;)

I've lived at "poverty" levels myself in the past and I've never lacked for a thing, and I've always had food, clothing, etc. to share with others that have fallen on hard times.

One of the PROBLEMS with a lack of proper nutrition for children is that CHILDREN are raising CHILDREN and they, themselves have probably never been taught how to shop for food, or budget or any of those relatively important Life Skills that are so lacking in both their parents and in our schools.

I hate, hate, hate, to see little kids suffer (if indeed they are), but until they get to the root of the problem, it's never going to be solved. And then, the problem of hunger in the US or the world is never going to be solved anyway because:

a) There's money to be made off of poor people (Social Services; the UN, et al.)

b) We've always had an "underclass" and there will always BE an underclass. Unless Socialism/Communism wins, and then we're all going to be at the bottom of the barrel together and the Dems will peek over the edge from time to time to throw us scraps from their table.


94 posted on 06/12/2005 6:44:35 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: fatnotlazy

Ignorance causes most breastfeeding problems.
I will only say that if something happened to your late mother then it was ignorance on her part, the doctors' part, and society's part. How did the doctor's know her milk was of no "nutritional value?" Did they have it tested and compared with the corn syrup-and-whey crap they call formula? Breast milk is thinner and bluish and does not resemble cow's milk. Yet is it superior in every way to milk from a cow, mixed with chemicals, which is given to human babies for food.. Cow's milk, is excellent, however, for growing the brains and bodies of baby cows. Breastmilk is also caused by the law of supply and demand. You need to nurse on demans, when baby is hungry. No supplements of water in bottles, no pacifiers, no nothing. Just the mother's breast. I can almost guarantee that your mother's failure had something to do with nurses giving her babies water bottles in the hospital (confusing the baby's sucking reflex), using pacificers, NOT nursing on demand, supplementing with formula. These are all recipies for nursing failire. I am sorry to have to be blunt but I have breastfed six children and have written professionally about breastfeeding.

Your mom should have gotten the service of a professional lactation consultant, or contacted La Leche League for a leader who would have personally come to her home and helped her learn how to breastfeed properly. Perhaps you and your family will do better in the future. There are many good books out today, one I like is "Breastfeeding: Pure and Simple" by Gwen Gotsch, and of course, the breastfeeding classic "The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding."


95 posted on 06/12/2005 6:48:26 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: kharaku

I worked for a company that renovated HUD projects.
One couple and their teenaged daughter bragged about drinking three cases of beer a day. The proof was in our construction dumpster every morning. The beer they drank was $9.00 a case at the time. That's @ $800.00 a month in welfare money a month. The teenage daughter had a young child by the way.


96 posted on 06/12/2005 7:01:59 AM PDT by gate2wire (We Honor Those Who Serve---WE REMEMBER--Thank you)
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To: Conservatrix

With all due respect to your expertise....

My brother and I were born in the early 1950's in a small town without much in the way of medical resources. We didn't have breastfeeding consultants -- we didn't even have pediatricians. We had one old fashioned doctor (the kind who made house calls in the middle of the night) who did it all. I believe a nurse taught my mother what to do before she left the hospital with my brother, and my mother had sisters and friends who tried to help her. My mother was not by any means ignorant or lazy or stupid. Even though we did have just the one doctor, she did seek out advice from other doctors -- those are the ones who called her lazy and incompetent. She did try her best to breastfeed my brother (he's older than I) and even though she wasn't successful then, she tried with me when I came along 2-1/2 years later. It didn't work either time.

No, there was no nutritional analysis, but it became rapidly obvious that my brother and I were both malnourished. If I remember right from what Mom told me -- both my brother and me had severe colic caused by an allergy to cow's milk. I believe she wound up having to use some kind of soy-based formula.

Believe me, if my mother could have, she would have breastfed both of us. But it just didn't happen. And whatever was in that soy formula must not have been bad -- brother and I both grew up healthy.


97 posted on 06/12/2005 7:06:42 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Libloather

This story is run under the AFP banner. Who is AFP? What news agency is that? Why no name of the author? How do I find the details on the owners, editors, etc. of the AFP?


98 posted on 06/12/2005 7:07:45 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Libloather
In 2003, 11.2 percent of families in the United States experienced hunger, compared with 10.1 percent in 1999, according to most recent official figures, released on National Hunger Awareness Day held this year on Tuesday, June 7.

Where was their concern for Terri Schindler?

Oh and I was very hungry yesterday when I had to skip lunch. Does that count?

99 posted on 06/12/2005 7:10:31 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (You should be TERRIfied that you may someday be SCHIAVOed to death!)
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To: A. Pole
There is another possible case - that parents are very ignorant. If so they need to be forced to attend the nutrition training showing them how they can get healthy and cheap food.

Cost is less than turning the kids over to the state to support too.

100 posted on 06/12/2005 7:14:09 AM PDT by lucysmom
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